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Hi BD,
Read the scriptures written by God through men and you will see Jesus died and by crucifixion.
Of course if you do not believe what is written you will believe anything.
Even your book.Quote (datguy @ July 14 2009,07:07) WJ,
Why just a trinity, what about the seven spirits of God that are bowing before his throne in revelation?
Could they be seen as” God the father, God the son, God Holy Spirit and God the seven spirits?”
The seven spirits were the seven angels that were sent to the seven churches in Asia.thinker
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 14 2009,09:28) it does say there is 7 spirits of God but i still believe in one God
Who is that One God? If you say Jesus who is his Father and is his father, GodQuote (thethinker @ July 13 2009,12:44) Quote (datguy @ July 14 2009,07:07) WJ,
Why just a trinity, what about the seven spirits of God that are bowing before his throne in revelation?
Could they be seen as” God the father, God the son, God Holy Spirit and God the seven spirits?”
The seven spirits were the seven angels that were sent to the seven churches in Asia.thinker
Thinker,Correct.
The book of Revelation later goes on to clarify what exactly the seven spirits of God are. Angels.
Revelation 2-3:
Quote Revelation 2 To the church in Ephesus
1″To the angel[a] of the church in Ephesus write:
These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands: 2I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. 3You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary. 4Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken your first love. 5Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. 6But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
To the Church in Smyrna8″To the angel of the church in Smyrna write:
These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again. 9I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. 10Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life. 11He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death.
To the Church in Pergamum12″To the angel of the church in Pergamum write:
These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword. 13I know where you live—where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city—where Satan lives. 14Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: You have people there who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols and by committing sexual immorality. 15Likewise you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans. 16Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. 17He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.
To the Church in Thyatira18″To the angel of the church in Thyatira write:
These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze. 19I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first. 20Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. 24Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan's so-called deep secrets (I will not impose any other burden on you): 25Only hold on to what you have until I come. 26To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—
27'He will rule them with an iron scepter;
he will dash them to pieces like pottery'— just as I have received authority from my Father. 28I will also give him the morning star. 29He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
Revelation 3To the Church in Sardis
1″To the angel[c] of the church in Sardis write:
These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits[d]of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. 3Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. 4Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. 5He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. 6He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
To the Church in Philadelphia7″To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:
These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you. 10Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name. 13He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
To the Church in Laodicea14″To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. 15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am abo
ut to spit you out of my mouth. 17You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. 19Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. 20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. 21To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”They were the seven angels that were sent to the seven churches.
It isn't hard.
TC27
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 14 2009,23:18) Jesus came in His fathers name so i ask you the name of the father .
Hi JN.
You do understand that this means he came in that authority?The prodigal son is given a ring for his finger symbolizing the same anointing.
It certainly does not mean Father had the same personal name as the one given to HIS SON by Joseph and Mary.
and the comforter also came in His name what is the name of the holy ghost, father, and son? my question
“cause iif you write a check in the name of a father son and husband then the bank would say whats the name there” Quote from my former pastors wife
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 15 2009,11:05) and the comforter also came in His name what is the name of the holy ghost, father, and son? my question “cause iif you write a check in the name of a father son and husband then the bank would say whats the name there” Quote from my former pastors wife
The name of the Father is YHWH, that does not spell Jesus so get over it.The Spirit of God is The Spirit of the Father so its name would be the spirit of YHWH which does not spell Jesus so get over it.
D=Never write a check that your soul can't cash.
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 14 2009,23:18) Jesus came in His fathers name so i ask you the name of the father .
YHWH, Almighty God!Are you tring to say that Jesus is that Name?
If that is what you are saying it still would not mean that Jesus is that name it would just mean he came in that name.
In other words what you are saying is the same as thinker because the name Jesus means “Jehovah saves”
So if you come in the Name of Jehovah is Salvation it wouldn't make you Jehovah, it would make you the representative of Jehovah.
Messengers always Come in the name of who sends the message. I will prove it tell someone to go on your behalf and get something. They will go and say I am coming here in the name of JN and he wants you to give me such and such, if they give it to them they are giving it to you , right? If they listen to them, they are listening to you, right?
So Jehovah is Salvation says Jesus and believing that Jehovah is Salvation you will not perish so believe in the name of Jesus understanding that he came in the name of The Father.
Jesus is not the Father but his messanger that came in His name.
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 17 2009,06:05) jesus is the new testement name of God yes. But Jesus said I and my father are one
Boom! You got it straight bro!
thinker
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 17 2009,06:10) thank you there was also a old testement name Jahova
Jehovah is not Jesus, Jesus is not his fatherQuote (bodhitharta @ July 17 2009,06:16) Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 17 2009,06:10) thank you there was also a old testement name Jahova
Jehovah is not Jesus, Jesus is not his father
I agree that Jesus is not the Father. But He is indeed Jehovah. The name “Jesus” means “Jehovah saves.” He said, “Before Abraham was I AM.”thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 17 2009,06:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 17 2009,06:16) Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 17 2009,06:10) thank you there was also a old testement name Jahova
Jehovah is not Jesus, Jesus is not his father
I agree that Jesus is not the Father. But He is indeed Jehovah. The name “Jesus” means “Jehovah saves.” He said, “Before Abraham was I AM.”thinker
If he was Jehovah he would be his Father unless you have another name for his Father.Quote (bodhitharta @ July 17 2009,06:31) Quote (thethinker @ July 17 2009,06:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 17 2009,06:16) Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 17 2009,06:10) thank you there was also a old testement name Jahova
Jehovah is not Jesus, Jesus is not his father
I agree that Jesus is not the Father. But He is indeed Jehovah. The name “Jesus” means “Jehovah saves.” He said, “Before Abraham was I AM.”thinker
If he was Jehovah he would be his Father unless you have another name for his Father.
Your reasoning is circular because Jehovah calls Himself “Elohim” (plural). The Father and the Son are both Jehovah. The name “Jesus” means “Jehovah saves” and Jesus said, “Before Abraham was I AM.”thinker
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