Atheists pose NO intellectual threat to God

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  • #223628
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:58)
    Hi Stuart,

    I just proved to you that the Bible says that they were both
    created the same day; why do you say otherwise?

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    1. Earth created
    2. Darkness on face of earth
    3. Light created

    Simple, and utterly wrong.

    Not to mention the fact that it claims the “lights” that mark the days and seasons were not created until the fourth day, which should make you wonder where all that light was coming from.

    One of those lights would have to have been the supernova that generated the heavier elements which eventually accreted into the earth.

    Bible=wrong.

    Stuart

    #223674
    WhatIsTrue
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 06 2010,00:28)
    To Wit,

    Here is the meaningful pattern…

    …………………God's signature

    YHVH=63 (God's Name: יהוה transliterated into English)
    יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
    Jesus=74 (God's Son's Name in English is: “Joshua”)
    God The Father=117 (Representing GOD: יהוה האלהים)
    HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The word”: in all believers!)

    There are EXACTLY five words for “God” the Greek (all are pronounced Thēôs); they are…
    Four (4) of these are “plural” forms of the word; only one (1) is used in “singular” form.

    1) θεος
    2) θεου
    3) θεω
    4) θεον
    5) θεε

    Also a matching aspect to the five variants for God in The Hebrew Masoretic texts…

    1) Strong’s 426: אלה (ĔL-äh) elah: corresponding to 433; God:-God, god.
    2) Strong’s 433: אלוה (ĔL-ō-äh) eloah: from 410; a deity or The Deity:-God, god. See 430
    3) Strong’s 6697: צור (tsû-är) tsoor: a rock; a refuge(house); X(times) mighty God, sharp, X stone, X strength.
    4) Strong’s 430: אלהים (ĔL-ō-Hêêm) elohiym: plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense;
        but specifically used in the plural of the supreme God; angels, X exceedingly; God, X great, judges, X mighty.
    5) Strong’s 410: אל (ĔL) ale: mighty; strength; The Almighty (also used of any deity):- God, X goodly, X great; power.

    Also matching the number of times JEHOVAH is used in singular form in the “AKJV Bible”(74)…

    1) JEHOVAH is My Name “YHVH”=63 (Exodus 6:3)
    2) JEHOVAH is The Most High “GOD The Father”=117 (Psalm 83:18)
    3) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 is [The Savior=117] in “Jesus Christ”=151 (Isaiah 12:2)
    4) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 is Everlasting strength in “Holy Spirit”=151 (Isaiah 26:4)
    5) JAH (Psalm 68:4) The Name of “GOD”=26 is יהוה=26 spoken as “YÄ”=26 and “YÄ-hä-vā

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
    Note: JEHOVAH is also used in exactly “three” phrases in the AKJV Bible.


    This is what I wrote:

    Quote
    Ed J,

    I have a simple question for you:  Is your number system subjective or objective?

    In other words, can I use the system independent of you to reach valid conclusions?  If so, please list the rules that govern the system so that your claim can be verified.

    You completely dodged my very simple question.  Until you state otherwise, I will assume that you are tacitly agreeing that your number “proof” is primarily subjective.

    #223680
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 09 2010,09:01)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 06 2010,00:28)
    To Wit,

    Here is the meaningful pattern…

    …………………God's signature

    YHVH=63 (God's Name: יהוה transliterated into English)
    יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
    Jesus=74 (God's Son's Name in English is: “Joshua”)
    God The Father=117 (Representing GOD: יהוה האלהים)
    HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The word”: in all believers!)

    There are EXACTLY five words for “God” the Greek (all are pronounced Thēôs); they are…
    Four (4) of these are “plural” forms of the word; only one (1) is used in “singular” form.

    1) θεος
    2) θεου
    3) θεω
    4) θεον
    5) θεε

    Also a matching aspect to the five variants for God in The Hebrew Masoretic texts…

    1) Strong’s 426: אלה (ĔL-äh) elah: corresponding to 433; God:-God, god.
    2) Strong’s 433: אלוה (ĔL-ō-äh) eloah: from 410; a deity or The Deity:-God, god. See 430
    3) Strong’s 6697: צור (tsû-är) tsoor: a rock; a refuge(house); X(times) mighty God, sharp, X stone, X strength.
    4) Strong’s 430: אלהים (ĔL-ō-Hêêm) elohiym: plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense;
        but specifically used in the plural of the supreme God; angels, X exceedingly; God, X great, judges, X mighty.
    5) Strong’s 410: אל (ĔL) ale: mighty; strength; The Almighty (also used of any deity):- God, X goodly, X great; power.

    Also matching the number of times JEHOVAH is used in singular form in the “AKJV Bible”(74)…

    1) JEHOVAH is My Name “YHVH”=63 (Exodus 6:3)
    2) JEHOVAH is The Most High “GOD The Father”=117 (Psalm 83:18)
    3) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 is [The Savior=117] in “Jesus Christ”=151 (Isaiah 12:2)
    4) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 is Everlasting strength in “Holy Spirit”=151 (Isaiah 26:4)
    5) JAH (Psalm 68:4) The Name of “GOD”=26 is יהוה=26 spoken as “YÄ”=26 and “YÄ-hä-vā

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
    Note: JEHOVAH is also used in exactly “three” phrases in the AKJV Bible.


    This is what I wrote:

    Quote
    Ed J,

    I have a simple question for you:  Is your number system subjective or objective?

    In other words, can I use the system independent of you to reach valid conclusions?  If so, please list the rules that govern the system so that your claim can be verified.

    You completely dodged my very simple question.  Until you state otherwise, I will assume that you are tacitly agreeing that your number “proof” is primarily subjective.


    Hi WIT,

    You can assume whatever you want!
    Just like Stuart assumes there is no (according to Stuart) God.
    He assumes that his assumptions are correct as well.

    Neither of your choices are correct, my research is investigative.
    This is where the FACTS have lead me, pure and simple.

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #223681
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,01:54)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:58)
    Hi Stuart,

    I just proved to you that the Bible says that they were both
    created the same day; why do you say otherwise?

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    1. Earth created
    2. Darkness on face of earth
    3. Light created

    Simple, and utterly wrong.

    Not to mention the fact that it claims the “lights” that mark the days and seasons were not created until the fourth day, which should make you wonder where all that light was coming from.  

    One of those lights would have to have been the supernova that generated the heavier elements which eventually accreted into the earth.

    Bible=wrong.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    You really lack reading comprehension skills; don't you? No wonder you swallow Atheist's propaganda!
    And no wonder you cannot understand the PROOF of God's existence I have illustrated to you!

    The Earth, the Sun, and the Earth's rotation were all created on the first day! (Gen1:1)

    Darkness was upon the face of the deep, because
    the stars weren't created until the fourth day. (Gen.1:16)

                     Stuart = naive son

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #223721
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,09:47)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,01:54)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:58)
    Hi Stuart,

    I just proved to you that the Bible says that they were both
    created the same day; why do you say otherwise?

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    1. Earth created
    2. Darkness on face of earth
    3. Light created

    Simple, and utterly wrong.

    Not to mention the fact that it claims the “lights” that mark the days and seasons were not created until the fourth day, which should make you wonder where all that light was coming from.  

    One of those lights would have to have been the supernova that generated the heavier elements which eventually accreted into the earth.

    Bible=wrong.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    You really lack reading comprehension skills; don't you? No wonder you swallow Atheist's propaganda!
    And no wonder you cannot understand the PROOF of God's existence I have illustrated to you!

    The Earth, the Sun, and the Earth's rotation were all created on the first day! (Gen1:1)

    Darkness was upon the face of the deep, because
    the stars weren't created until the fourth day. (Gen.1:16)

                     Stuart = naive son

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    No matter what day it was or wasn't, I think you will find I have the order right. If the stars were not created until the fourth day, what made the light that appeared on the first day?

    Stuart

    #223728
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,15:36)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,09:47)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,01:54)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:58)
    Hi Stuart,

    I just proved to you that the Bible says that they were both
    created the same day; why do you say otherwise?

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    1. Earth created
    2. Darkness on face of earth
    3. Light created

    Simple, and utterly wrong.

    Not to mention the fact that it claims the “lights” that mark the days and seasons were not created until the fourth day, which should make you wonder where all that light was coming from.  

    One of those lights would have to have been the supernova that generated the heavier elements which eventually accreted into the earth.

    Bible=wrong.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    You really lack reading comprehension skills; don't you? No wonder you swallow Atheist's propaganda!
    And no wonder you cannot understand the PROOF of God's existence I have illustrated to you!

    The Earth, the Sun, and the Earth's rotation were all created on the first day! (Gen1:1)

    Darkness was upon the face of the deep, because
    the stars weren't created until the fourth day. (Gen.1:16)

                     Stuart = naive son

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    No matter what day it was or wasn't, I think you will find I have the order right.  If the stars were not created until the fourth day, what made the light that appeared on the first day?

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    The sun.

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #223736
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,16:16)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,15:36)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,09:47)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,01:54)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:58)
    Hi Stuart,

    I just proved to you that the Bible says that they were both
    created the same day; why do you say otherwise?

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    1. Earth created
    2. Darkness on face of earth
    3. Light created

    Simple, and utterly wrong.

    Not to mention the fact that it claims the “lights” that mark the days and seasons were not created until the fourth day, which should make you wonder where all that light was coming from.  

    One of those lights would have to have been the supernova that generated the heavier elements which eventually accreted into the earth.

    Bible=wrong.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    You really lack reading comprehension skills; don't you? No wonder you swallow Atheist's propaganda!
    And no wonder you cannot understand the PROOF of God's existence I have illustrated to you!

    The Earth, the Sun, and the Earth's rotation were all created on the first day! (Gen1:1)

    Darkness was upon the face of the deep, because
    the stars weren't created until the fourth day. (Gen.1:16)

                     Stuart = naive son

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    No matter what day it was or wasn't, I think you will find I have the order right.  If the stars were not created until the fourth day, what made the light that appeared on the first day?

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    The sun.

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    The sun is a star. It is a light that divides day from night and defines the seasons and so it was created on the fourth day according to your Bronze Age mythology.

    Stuart

    #223757
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,17:32)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,16:16)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,15:36)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,09:47)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,01:54)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:58)
    Hi Stuart,

    I just proved to you that the Bible says that they were both
    created the same day; why do you say otherwise?

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    1. Earth created
    2. Darkness on face of earth
    3. Light created

    Simple, and utterly wrong.

    Not to mention the fact that it claims the “lights” that mark the days and seasons were not created until the fourth day, which should make you wonder where all that light was coming from.  

    One of those lights would have to have been the supernova that generated the heavier elements which eventually accreted into the earth.

    Bible=wrong.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    You really lack reading comprehension skills; don't you? No wonder you swallow Atheist's propaganda!
    And no wonder you cannot understand the PROOF of God's existence I have illustrated to you!

    The Earth, the Sun, and the Earth's rotation were all created on the first day! (Gen1:1)

    Darkness was upon the face of the deep, because
    the stars weren't created until the fourth day. (Gen.1:16)

                     Stuart = naive son

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    No matter what day it was or wasn't, I think you will find I have the order right.  If the stars were not created until the fourth day, what made the light that appeared on the first day?

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    The sun.

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    The sun is a star.  It is a light that divides day from night and defines the seasons and so it was created on the fourth day according to your Bronze Age mythology.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    You seem to have a major blockage in the comprehension department.
    The Earths tilted axis orbiting around the Sun causes seasons,
    The Earth was put in orbit around the Sun on day four.
    But Earths axis rotation was done on day one,
    the same day that the Sun was created.
    Get your biblical FACTS straight!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #223783
    WhatIsTrue
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,04:33)

    Hi WIT,

    You can assume whatever you want!
    Just like Stuart assumes there is no (according to Stuart) God.
    He assumes that his assumptions are correct as well.

    Neither of your choices are correct, my research is investigative.
    This is where the FACTS have lead me, pure and simple.

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    There is a simple way to prove me wrong.

    As I wrote previously:

    Quote
    In other words, can I use the system independent of you to reach valid conclusions?  If so, please list the rules that govern the system so that your claim can be verified.

    I would like to test out your system for myself.  If it's such a powerful proof for God, shouldn't you be chomping at the bit to let me do so?  Or, are you keenly aware that the “system” only works when you control it?

    #223785
    WhatIsTrue
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,14:24)

    Hi Stuart,

    You seem to have a major blockage in the comprehension department.
    The Earths tilted axis orbiting around the Sun causes seasons,
    The Earth was put in orbit around the Sun on day four.
    But Earths axis rotation was done on day one,
    the same day that the Sun was created.
    Get your biblical FACTS straight!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Apparently, the people who spend their lives defending the biblical accounts of creation have the same blockage as Stu.

    From Answers In Genesis:

    Quote
    There are those who argue that Genesis 1 is a simplified account of evolution. But such a hypothesis does not stand up to scrutiny. A quick look at the order of the events in Genesis 1 and in evolution shows this (see chart below1). The order of events is quite different, and the Genesis account of creation bears no relation to the evolutionary account of origins.

    Evolution                                            Genesis
    Sun before earth                                           Earth before sun
    Dry land before sea                                        Sea before dry land
    Atmosphere before sea                                   Sea before atmosphere
    Sun before light on earth                                 Light on earth before sun
    Stars before earth                                          Earth before stars
    Earth at same time as planets                           Earth before other planets
    Sea creatures before land plants                        Land plants before sea creatures
    Earthworms before starfish                                Starfish before earthworms
    Land animals before trees                                 Trees before land animals
    Death before man                                            Man before death
    Thorns and thistles before man                          Man before thorns and thistles
    TB pathogens & cancer before man                    Man before TB pathogens and cancer
    (dinosaurs had TB and cancer)
    Reptiles before birds                                        Birds before reptiles
    Land mammals before whales                            Whales before land animals
    Land mammals before bats                                Bats before land animals
    Dinosaurs before birds                                      Birds before dinosaurs
    Insects before flowering plants                          Flowering plants before insects
    Sun before plants                                            Plants before sun
    Dinosaurs before dolphins                                 Dolphins before dinosaurs
    Land reptiles before pterosaurs                          Pterosaurs before land reptiles

    So, who's right Ed?  You or everybody else?

    #223807
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 10 2010,01:11)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,04:33)

    Hi WIT,

    You can assume whatever you want!
    Just like Stuart assumes there is no (according to Stuart) God.
    He assumes that his assumptions are correct as well.

    Neither of your choices are correct, my research is investigative.
    This is where the FACTS have lead me, pure and simple.

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    There is a simple way to prove me wrong.

    As I wrote previously:

    Quote
    In other words, can I use the system independent of you to reach valid conclusions?  If so, please list the rules that govern the system so that your claim can be verified.

    I would like to test out your system for myself.  If it's such a powerful proof for God, shouldn't you be chomping at the bit to let me do so?  Or, are you keenly aware that the “system” only works when you control it?


    Hi WIT,

    That would be like you conducting your own research
    to see if the theory of evolution is correct or not.
    What most people do: is study the findings, to
    see if the facts presented are valid or invalid.

    What you propose is the same as going by Stuarts research
    to see if God exists; and of course (according to Sutart) he doesn't.

    I have already shown what is important in my research, God's Signature; which is…

    …………………God's signature

    YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
    יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
    Jesus=74 (God's Son's Name in English is: “Joshua”)
    God The Father=117 (Representing GOD: יהוה האלהים)
    HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The word”: in all believers)

    These “Five” numerical totals (“The God Numbers”(151)  …26, 63, 74, 117 & 151),
    is what you should be investigating; and the research should be done in the “AKJV Bible”(74).
    Here are the site links so you can see what I have discovered so far: Click Here and Here

    Here is the “Gematria”(74) decoder chart, this will help you verify my findings
    and allow you to conduct your own research as well. I can also
    send you a copy of the chart in PDF if you want; OK?
    Yea; I do think it's a GREAT idea, WIT!
    Helping you with your faith!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #223827
    WhatIsTrue
    Participant

    Ed J,

    So in a few minutes, I came up with the following words that corresponded to your “God Numbers”:

    demonic = 63
    evil god = 74
    no gods = 74
    hitlers god = 117
    phoniest gods = 151
    no powers god = 151
    phony number = 151

    26 was hard to match since I don't speak Hebrew.

    I think I need more guidance here.  What am I doing wrong?

    #223840
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 10 2010,08:19)
    Ed J,

    So in a few minutes, I came up with the following words that corresponded to your “God Numbers”:

    demonic = 63
    evil god = 74
    no gods = 74
    hitlers god = 117
    phoniest gods = 151
    no powers god = 151
    phony number = 151

    26 was hard to match since I don't speak Hebrew.

    I think I need more guidance here.  What am I doing wrong?


    Hi Wit,

    …………………God's signature

    YHVH=63 (God's Name: יהוה transliterated into English)
    יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
    Jesus=74 (God's Son's Name in English is: “Joshua”)
    God The Father=117 (Representing GOD: יהוה האלהים)
    HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The word”: in all believers!)

    “Gematria”(74): is the use of number valuations, associating different words together, through integers.
    “Theomatics”: is the practice of using “Gematria” to associate Theological ideas together;
    through the use of multiplication factors derived from their Gematria valuations.

    This the type of start you are looking for…

    The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63.
    This “Theomatic” sentence MUST be true because of the following Circumstantial bullet Points…

    1.
    God's name (יהוה) transliterates into English as “YHVH”(63).
    YHVH's Theomatic total matches precisely the meaning of The Book “in Greek”,
    which translates into English as “The Bible”(63), which is “The Book” written about God.
    Furthermore, The pronunciation of “The Title” God (אלהים) in Hebrew “ĔL-ō-Hêêm”(63) matches as well. (Click Here)

    2.
    [אלהים] “ĔL-ō-Hêêm”(63) in Hebrew, first mentioned in Genesis:1:1 is God. (Click Here)
    Prime number counterparts is another aspect of “Theomatics” (Numbers related to God)
    In 23 the 33 beginning 81 God 26 created 56 the 33 heaven 55 = 307 (63rd prime number)

    3.
    God's Name is first mentioned “in singular form” in Exodus 6:3.
    Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name
    of “God Almighty”, but by my name JEHOVAH(YHVH=63) was I not known to them.
    “God Almighty”: [בְּאֵל שַׁדָּי] “El Shaddia”=63 is another very significant bullet point!

    4.
    The Bible has both an “Old” and a “New” Testament=117
    The Greek for word for “Testament” is [διαθήκη] “diathéké”=63! (Click Here)

    5.
    Nehemiah*=63 (this Prophet's Name means: in essence) Comfort

    John 16:7 Nevertheless I(Jesus) tell you the truth;
    It is expedient for you that I go away(crucifixion):
    for if I go not away, the Comforter (HolySpirit / God Spirit=117)
    will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

    6.
    Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
                    is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
                    [The Latter Rain“=151 and former rain“=117] unto the earth.

                          “Rain” in The Bible is doctrine!

    Deut.32:1 My 38 doctrine 88 shall 52 drop 53 as 20 the 33 rain 42
    my 38 speech 56 shall 52 distil 73 as 20 the 33 dew 32 = 630 (Rev.15:3)

    Another aspect of “Theomatics” is meanings are intensified by adding zeros;
    much like adding zeros means monetary values are increased in currency notes.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
    *The Prophet Nehemiah was commissioned to rebuild Jerusalem.

    #223842
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 10 2010,01:29)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,14:24)

    Hi Stuart,

    You seem to have a major blockage in the comprehension department.
    The Earths tilted axis orbiting around the Sun causes seasons,
    The Earth was put in orbit around the Sun on day four.
    But Earths axis rotation was done on day one,
    the same day that the Sun was created.
    Get your biblical FACTS straight!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Apparently, the people who spend their lives defending the biblical accounts of creation have the same blockage as Stu.

    From Answers In Genesis:

    Quote
    There are those who argue that Genesis 1 is a simplified account of evolution. But such a hypothesis does not stand up to scrutiny. A quick look at the order of the events in Genesis 1 and in evolution shows this (see chart below1). The order of events is quite different, and the Genesis account of creation bears no relation to the evolutionary account of origins.

    Evolution                                            Genesis
    Sun before earth                                           Earth before sun
    Dry land before sea                                        Sea before dry land
    Atmosphere before sea                                   Sea before atmosphere
    Sun before light on earth                                 Light on earth before sun
    Stars before earth                                          Earth before stars
    Earth at same time as planets                           Earth before other planets
    Sea creatures before land plants                        Land plants before sea creatures
    Earthworms before starfish                                Starfish before earthworms
    Land animals before trees                                 Trees before land animals
    Death before man                                            Man before death
    Thorns and thistles before man                          Man before thorns and thistles
    TB pathogens & cancer before man                    Man before TB pathogens and cancer
    (dinosaurs had TB and cancer)
    Reptiles before birds                                        Birds before reptiles
    Land mammals before whales                            Whales before land animals
    Land mammals before bats                                Bats before land animals
    Dinosaurs before birds                                      Birds before dinosaurs
    Insects before flowering plants                          Flowering plants before insects
    Sun before plants                                            Plants before sun
    Dinosaurs before dolphins                                 Dolphins before dinosaurs
    Land reptiles before pterosaurs                          Pterosaurs before land reptiles

    So, who's right Ed?  You or everybody else?


    Hi WIT,

                           Apparently they do!

    You are full of false statements aren't you?
    How can you say everybody else? as you post two sets of information?

    None of those squag opinions amount to a hill of beans!
    Plus neither of those charts are correct according to the bible.

    Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
    יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

    #223907
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,19:24)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,17:32)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,16:16)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,15:36)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,09:47)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,01:54)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:58)
    Hi Stuart,

    I just proved to you that the Bible says that they were both
    created the same day; why do you say otherwise?

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    1. Earth created
    2. Darkness on face of earth
    3. Light created

    Simple, and utterly wrong.

    Not to mention the fact that it claims the “lights” that mark the days and seasons were not created until the fourth day, which should make you wonder where all that light was coming from.  

    One of those lights would have to have been the supernova that generated the heavier elements which eventually accreted into the earth.

    Bible=wrong.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    You really lack reading comprehension skills; don't you? No wonder you swallow Atheist's propaganda!
    And no wonder you cannot understand the PROOF of God's existence I have illustrated to you!

    The Earth, the Sun, and the Earth's rotation were all created on the first day! (Gen1:1)

    Darkness was upon the face of the deep, because
    the stars weren't created until the fourth day. (Gen.1:16)

                     Stuart = naive son

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    No matter what day it was or wasn't, I think you will find I have the order right.  If the stars were not created until the fourth day, what made the light that appeared on the first day?

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    The sun.

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    The sun is a star.  It is a light that divides day from night and defines the seasons and so it was created on the fourth day according to your Bronze Age mythology.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    You seem to have a major blockage in the comprehension department.
    The Earths tilted axis orbiting around the Sun causes seasons,
    The Earth was put in orbit around the Sun on day four.
    But Earths axis rotation was done on day one,
    the same day that the Sun was created.
    Get your biblical FACTS straight!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    I have got my facts right. When was the last time you read Genesis 1? Tell me where it says the sun was created.

    Stuart

    #223929
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 10 2010,14:29)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,19:24)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,17:32)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,16:16)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,15:36)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,09:47)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,01:54)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:58)
    Hi Stuart,

    I just proved to you that the Bible says that they were both
    created the same day; why do you say otherwise?

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    1. Earth created
    2. Darkness on face of earth
    3. Light created

    Simple, and utterly wrong.

    Not to mention the fact that it claims the “lights” that mark the days and seasons were not created until the fourth day, which should make you wonder where all that light was coming from.  

    One of those lights would have to have been the supernova that generated the heavier elements which eventually accreted into the earth.

    Bible=wrong.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    You really lack reading comprehension skills; don't you? No wonder you swallow Atheist's propaganda!
    And no wonder you cannot understand the PROOF of God's existence I have illustrated to you!

    The Earth, the Sun, and the Earth's rotation were all created on the first day! (Gen1:1)

    Darkness was upon the face of the deep, because
    the stars weren't created until the fourth day. (Gen.1:16)

                     Stuart = naive son

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    No matter what day it was or wasn't, I think you will find I have the order right.  If the stars were not created until the fourth day, what made the light that appeared on the first day?

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    The sun.

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    The sun is a star.  It is a light that divides day from night and defines the seasons and so it was created on the fourth day according to your Bronze Age mythology.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    You seem to have a major blockage in the comprehension department.
    The Earths tilted axis orbiting around the Sun causes seasons,
    The Earth was put in orbit around the Sun on day four.
    But Earths axis rotation was done on day one,
    the same day that the Sun was created.
    Get your biblical FACTS straight!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    I have got my facts right.  When was the last time you read Genesis 1?  Tell me where it says the sun was created.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    Genesis 1:3! The Day(=63)

    MY God (YHVH) has all THE FACTS locked down solid in “The Bible”!
    The “Divine”(63) “Deity”(63) of “The Bible”(63) is “YHVH”(63).

    Genesis 1:3-4 And God(ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63)) said, Let there be light(63): and there was light (The Day=63).
    and God divided the light from the darkness(Earth's orbit). YHVH put 'spin' on the Earth,
    like you put 'spin' on the facts!
    This all took place on the “First Day”. (Gen.1:5)

    Gen.1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Also Heaven is mentioned first in Gen.1:1, yet you falsely
    announce to us that the Earth was created first?

    In 23 the 33 beginning 81 God 26 created 56 the 33 heaven 55 = 307 (=63rd Prime)
    Seems THE FACTS don't quite add up in your unevolved monkey brain; do they?

    Through the extensive use of [theomatic encryptions = 63 x 4], great and mighty things
    of GOD are now being revealed, greatly increasing our knowledge of truth. (Jeremiah 33:3)

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #223936
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2010,16:09)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 10 2010,14:29)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,19:24)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,17:32)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,16:16)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,15:36)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,09:47)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,01:54)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:58)
    Hi Stuart,

    I just proved to you that the Bible says that they were both
    created the same day; why do you say otherwise?

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    1. Earth created
    2. Darkness on face of earth
    3. Light created

    Simple, and utterly wrong.

    Not to mention the fact that it claims the “lights” that mark the days and seasons were not created until the fourth day, which should make you wonder where all that light was coming from.  

    One of those lights would have to have been the supernova that generated the heavier elements which eventually accreted into the earth.

    Bible=wrong.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    You really lack reading comprehension skills; don't you? No wonder you swallow Atheist's propaganda!
    And no wonder you cannot understand the PROOF of God's existence I have illustrated to you!

    The Earth, the Sun, and the Earth's rotation were all created on the first day! (Gen1:1)

    Darkness was upon the face of the deep, because
    the stars weren't created until the fourth day. (Gen.1:16)

                     Stuart = naive son

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    No matter what day it was or wasn't, I think you will find I have the order right.  If the stars were not created until the fourth day, what made the light that appeared on the first day?

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    The sun.

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    The sun is a star.  It is a light that divides day from night and defines the seasons and so it was created on the fourth day according to your Bronze Age mythology.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    You seem to have a major blockage in the comprehension department.
    The Earths tilted axis orbiting around the Sun causes seasons,
    The Earth was put in orbit around the Sun on day four.
    But Earths axis rotation was done on day one,
    the same day that the Sun was created.
    Get your biblical FACTS straight!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    I have got my facts right.  When was the last time you read Genesis 1?  Tell me where it says the sun was created.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    Genesis 1:3! The Day(=63)

    MY God (YHVH) has all THE FACTS locked down solid in “The Bible”!
    The “Divine”(63) “Deity”(63) of “The Bible”(63) is “YHVH”(63).

    Genesis 1:3-4 And God(ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63)) said, Let there be light(63): and there was light (The Day=63).
    and God divided the light from the darkness(Earth's orbit). YHVH put 'spin' on the Earth,
    like you put 'spin' on the facts!
    This all took place on the “First Day”. (Gen.1:5)

    Gen.1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Also Heaven is mentioned first in Gen.1:1, yet you falsely
    announce to us that the Earth was created first?

    In 23 the 33 beginning 81 God 26 created 56 the 33 heaven 55 = 307 (=63rd Prime)
    Seems THE FACTS don't quite add up in your unevolved monkey brain; do they?

    Through the extensive use of [theomatic encryptions = 63 x 4], great and mighty things
    of GOD are now being revealed, greatly increasing our knowledge of truth. (Jeremiah 33:3)

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    BIG dodge Ed. You said the sun was created on the first day. You are making up scripture, aren't you. It was not until the fourth day that we get “lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years”. The only light in the sky that has any relevance to days, seasons and years is the sun.

    Stuart

    #223982
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 10 2010,16:48)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2010,16:09)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 10 2010,14:29)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,19:24)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,17:32)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,16:16)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,15:36)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2010,09:47)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 09 2010,01:54)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 08 2010,22:58)
    Hi Stuart,

    I just proved to you that the Bible says that they were both
    created the same day; why do you say otherwise?

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    1. Earth created
    2. Darkness on face of earth
    3. Light created

    Simple, and utterly wrong.

    Not to mention the fact that it claims the “lights” that mark the days and seasons were not created until the fourth day, which should make you wonder where all that light was coming from.  

    One of those lights would have to have been the supernova that generated the heavier elements which eventually accreted into the earth.

    Bible=wrong.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    You really lack reading comprehension skills; don't you? No wonder you swallow Atheist's propaganda!
    And no wonder you cannot understand the PROOF of God's existence I have illustrated to you!

    The Earth, the Sun, and the Earth's rotation were all created on the first day! (Gen1:1)

    Darkness was upon the face of the deep, because
    the stars weren't created until the fourth day. (Gen.1:16)

                     Stuart = naive son

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    No matter what day it was or wasn't, I think you will find I have the order right.  If the stars were not created until the fourth day, what made the light that appeared on the first day?

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    The sun.

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    The sun is a star.  It is a light that divides day from night and defines the seasons and so it was created on the fourth day according to your Bronze Age mythology.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    You seem to have a major blockage in the comprehension department.
    The Earths tilted axis orbiting around the Sun causes seasons,
    The Earth was put in orbit around the Sun on day four.
    But Earths axis rotation was done on day one,
    the same day that the Sun was created.
    Get your biblical FACTS straight!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    I have got my facts right.  When was the last time you read Genesis 1?  Tell me where it says the sun was created.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    Genesis 1:3! The Day(=63)

    MY God (YHVH) has all THE FACTS locked down solid in “The Bible”!
    The “Divine”(63) “Deity”(63) of “The Bible”(63) is “YHVH”(63).

    Genesis 1:3-4 And God(ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63)) said, Let there be light(63): and there was light (The Day=63).
    and God divided the light from the darkness(Earth's orbit). YHVH put 'spin' on the Earth,
    like you put 'spin' on the facts!
    This all took place on the “First Day”. (Gen.1:5)

    Gen.1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Also Heaven is mentioned first in Gen.1:1, yet you falsely
    announce to us that the Earth was created first?

    In 23 the 33 beginning 81 God 26 created 56 the 33 heaven 55 = 307 (=63rd Prime)
    Seems THE FACTS don't quite add up in your unevolved monkey brain; do they?

    Through the extensive use of [theomatic encryptions = 63 x 4], great and mighty things
    of GOD are now being revealed, greatly increasing our knowledge of truth. (Jeremiah 33:3)

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    BIG dodge Ed.  (1)You said the sun was created on the first day.  (2)You are making up scripture, aren't you.  (3)It was not until the fourth day that we get “lights in the firmament (4)of the heaven to divide the day from the night; (5)and let them be for signs, (6)and for seasons, and for days, and years”.  (7)The only light in the sky that has any relevance to days, seasons and years is the sun.

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    1) correct. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. and God divided the light from the darkness Gen.1:3.

    2) Your desire to make the Scripture inaccurate will not work you big ape.

    3) The stars and the moon were the lights on the fourth day,
    the Sun was already recorded as being created on the first day.
        The firmament is the atmosphere, not the constellations!

    4) You really got the story screwed up; that's a recap of what happened on the first day!

    5) The constellations appear differently in different seasons; those are the signs of the Zodiac! (Psalm)

    6) Once again that a recap.

    7) Day one. Gen1:3!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #223985
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 10 2010,16:48)
    It was not until the fourth day that we get “lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night;
    and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years”.  

    Stuart


    Hi Stuart,

    Look up this verse and read the surrounding verses; OK?
    Job 38:32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season?
    It's time for you to learn Bible Truth! Job 38:32 <– Click Here

    Strong's Hebrew # 4216 Click Here

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #223991
    WhatIsTrue
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2010,04:57)

    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 10 2010,08:19)
    Ed J,

    So in a few minutes, I came up with the following words that corresponded to your “God Numbers”:

    demonic = 63
    evil god = 74
    no gods = 74
    hitlers god = 117
    phoniest gods = 151
    no powers god = 151
    phony number = 151

    26 was hard to match since I don't speak Hebrew.

    I think I need more guidance here.  What am I doing wrong?


    Hi Wit,

    …………………God's signature

    YHVH=63 (God's Name: יהוה transliterated into English)
    יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
    Jesus=74 (God's Son's Name in English is: “Joshua”)
    God The Father=117 (Representing GOD: יהוה האלהים)
    HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The word”: in all believers!)

    “Gematria”(74): is the use of number valuations, associating different words together, through integers.
    “Theomatics”: is the practice of using “Gematria” to associate Theological ideas together;
    through the use of multiplication factors derived from their Gematria valuations.

    This the type of start you are looking for…

    The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63.
    This “Theomatic” sentence MUST be true because of the following Circumstantial bullet Points…

    1.
    God's name (יהוה) transliterates into English as “YHVH”(63).
    YHVH's Theomatic total matches precisely the meaning of The Book “in Greek”,
    which translates into English as “The Bible”(63), which is “The Book” written about God.
    Furthermore, The pronunciation of “The Title” God (אלהים) in Hebrew “ĔL-ō-Hêêm”(63) matches as well. (Click Here)

    2.
    [אלהים] “ĔL-ō-Hêêm”(63) in Hebrew, first mentioned in Genesis:1:1 is God. (Click Here)
    Prime number counterparts is another aspect of “Theomatics” (Numbers related to God)
    In 23 the 33 beginning 81 God 26 created 56 the 33 heaven 55 = 307 (63rd prime number)

    3.
    God's Name is first mentioned “in singular form” in Exodus 6:3.
    Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name
    of “God Almighty”, but by my name JEHOVAH(YHVH=63) was I not known to them.
    “God Almighty”: [בְּאֵל שַׁדָּי] “El Shaddia”=63 is another very significant bullet point!

    4.
    The Bible has both an “Old” and a “New” Testament=117
    The Greek for word for “Testament” is [διαθήκη] “diathéké”=63! (Click Here)

    5.
    Nehemiah*=63 (this Prophet's Name means: in essence) Comfort

    John 16:7 Nevertheless I(Jesus) tell you the truth;
    It is expedient for you that I go away(crucifixion):
    for if I go not away, the Comforter (HolySpirit / God Spirit=117)
    will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

    6.
    Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
                    is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
                    [The Latter Rain“=151 and former rain“=117] unto the earth.

                          “Rain” in The Bible is doctrine!

    Deut.32:1 My 38 doctrine 88 shall 52 drop 53 as 20 the 33 rain 42
    my 38 speech 56 shall 52 distil 73 as 20 the 33 dew 32 = 630 (Rev.15:3)

    Another aspect of “Theomatics” is meanings are intensified by adding zeros;
    much like adding zeros means monetary values are increased in currency notes.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
    *The Prophet Nehemiah was commissioned to rebuild Jerusalem.


    What you have shown here took a lot of time and effort to put together, but you haven't shown that it is an objective discovery of truth.  I am contending that if I put in the same time and effort, I could come up with an elaborate set of “truths” that in no way resembles anything that you believe.

    I have asked several times and you have failed to specify the actual rules that govern your number system.  If your pdf is the extent of it, then I (and others) have already shown that the rules of simple gemetria can be made to say anything.  Unless you have something beyond that, you have only demonstrated that you have spent a lot of time on your own “discoveries” but that they are NOT a byproduct of any objective systematic research.

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