Atheism

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ April 19 2012,17:43)

Quote (Ed J @ April 14 2012,05:40) Quote (Ed J @ April 14 2012,02:39) Quote (Stu @ April 14 2012,02:28) Your scripture mandates tithing Hi Stuart,                    Tithing was for national care of other, not for religious sects.                    “Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions                    every man to his brother: And oppress not the widow, nor                    the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; (Zech 7:9-10) Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the “LORD of Hosts”, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Stuart, Modern Governments call this principal “taxes”. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Correct.

So why do the lower-income Methodists of South Auckland, the ones who can least afford it, find it difficult to feed their families because they both pay taxes to the government AND tithe? Is that based on a scriptural lie?

Stuart

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,19:53)

The result of natural selection is evolution. Stuart

Hi Stuart,

FALSE! …the result of natural selection is adaptation.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ April 19 2012,20:47)

Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,19:53) The result of natural selection is evolution. Stuart Hi Stuart, FALSE!    …the result of natural selection is adaptation. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi EDJ.

If we are monkeys,then what is the difference between a chimp or an orangutan,or a gorilla,or a human.
We are all of the same root.(Stu,s claim).
Stu is making a difference between a chimp.and an orangutan.
But why; they are brothers are they not.(this is discrimination).

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ April 19 2012,23:21)

Quote (Ed J @ April 19 2012,20:47) Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,19:53) The result of natural selection is evolution. Stuart Hi Stuart, FALSE!    …the result of natural selection is adaptation. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi EDJ. If we are monkeys,then what is the difference between a chimp or an orangutan,or a gorilla,or a human. We are all of the same root.(Stu,s claim). Stu is making a difference between a chimp.and an orangutan. But why; they are brothers are they not.(this is discrimination). wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Not sure what point you are trying to make?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[journey42]

Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,19:31)

Quote (journey42 @ April 19 2012,17:50) There are non believers and there are mockers.  The mockers are the nasty ones who love to insult.  Does that make you feel good?   Can you see how I am not out to insult you personally, but am interested in engagement with the ideas that have taken up residence in your brain?  I think the ideas you have in your head are the nasty things in this situation.  If you see your very identity as being the same thing as the ideas that reside in your head, then I think you are in trouble and you should be discussing this with the people you call the “mockers”.  I will ridicule christianity because it is ridiculous.  But I am not ridiculing you personally. Quote Does it really show that you are a happy person inside? Not sure what business my happiness is to you, although many god deluded people insist my happiness is incomplete without accepting their claims about their Imaginary Sky Friends, so I am quite familiar with your overfamiliarity.  But you might not appreciate what it is that you believe.  You seem to believe in a celestial conspiracy theory of a violent deity that demands love in the shadow of fear. That deity killed Uzzah, who was only trying to help, but who supposedly disobeyed the deity and so, regardless of his intent to do good, was smitten summarily.  So the deity of your bible is a tyrant.  This deity also allegedly gave humans curiosity then punished them for exercising it.  So it is a sadist as well. You worship a sadistic tyrant.  Does that make you happy? Quote What are you doing on this site if you seriously don't believe?  You must want someone to prove you wrong else you wouldn't be here, or maybe the other way round.   The proving me wrong thing is certainly be part of it.  If someone can demonstrate that I am wrong then I stand to learn new things: I will jettison the ideas I carry in my head when they can be shown to be wrong.  That doesn’t happen very often, so posting here can be something of a disappointment.  But I have learned about the world of believing in Imaginary Friends, and especially something about the variations between different christian sects, and even some things about islam.  I have also enjoyed reading the ideas of those who do manage to really challenge others to think. Quote Those who are looking for a sign will not get one.  Faith is stronger than your doubt, I seriously don't think you will get one single person on this site to turn around. While I always hope to convince, it has never been my goal to convert anyone.  I resent being prostyletised to, and I don’t have a faith to peddle anyway.  I believe that you can get to your own personal truth by looking at that which can actually be shown to be true.  Believers tend to look at it the other way round: the “truth” wins no matter what can be shown to be true.  To me that means leaving your critical faculty at the door when you come it, and I won’t have that for myself.  If it can’t be shown to be true then I don’t think it deserves to reside under the banner of my personal truth. I think already you might be very wrong about people here changing their minds. Stuart

Hi Stu

Fine. But what do you call an imaginary friend to a 10 year old that appears to you, then disappears?
What do you call an imaginary friend to a 13 year old that shakes your bed so hard at night, you swore someone was there pushing it.
What do you call an imaginary friend that makes an object disappear from your eyesight, then returns it in another place?
and what do you call an imaginary friend when you're 25 years old and that thing comes into your room, jumps on your bed and then suffocates you whilst you are gasping for breath, meanwhile showing himself in the most disgusting form that you can see with lights flashing right through it, and the terror, like nothing you have ever experienced in your life….and the hatred…breathing on you?
No imaginary friend here, just an enemy, who hates me with such passion, even you could not exceed it.
So where does one go, when your parents think you are going crazy, and theres no one in this whole world that understands the years of terror you have been going through by something not being there?
Then one day, the light shines through, and somehow, by some miracle, a person says to you, I know what you have experienced, because it happened to me….and they give you a bible and say this book will reveal who they are and how you can overcome them, because they hate what is written in this book, and if you follow, they will go away, because you can command them to and they have to obey.
….and they went away, after a long struggle, and I commanded them and they left with the loudest bang on my house, similar to the sound of a car driving through it.
and that Stu, is not only faith, but faith with power, and until it happens to you, you will never understand that there is a spirit world out there very strong, and evil, and if that spirit world obey that command, then that command can only come from one stronger than itself….it's creater.
Now the rest is up to me to keep them away
“resist evil and the devil will flee”
and these words that seem made up to you, hold so much power, not only to me, but for others who have been in this same situation.

You will never understand until you have met the other side. And if this never happened to me, then I guess I would be an atheist till this day, or some type of doubter.

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ April 19 2012,20:47)

Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,19:53) The result of natural selection is evolution. Stuart Hi Stuart, FALSE!    …the result of natural selection is adaptation. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

If you have to call evolution adaptation then so be it.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (journey42 @ April 20 2012,01:56)

Fine.  But what do you call an imaginary friend to a 10 year old that appears to you, then disappears?   What do you call an imaginary friend to a 13 year old that shakes your bed so hard at night, you swore someone was there pushing it. What do you call an imaginary friend that makes an object disappear from your eyesight, then returns it in another place? and what do you call an imaginary friend when you're 25 years old and that thing comes into your room, jumps on your bed and then suffocates you whilst you are gasping for breath, meanwhile showing himself in the most disgusting form that you can see with lights flashing right through it, and the terror, like nothing you have ever experienced in your life….and the hatred…breathing on you? No imaginary friend here, just an enemy, who hates me with such passion, even you could not exceed it. So where does one go, when your parents think you are going crazy, and theres no one in this whole world that understands the years of terror you have been going through by something not being there? Then one day, the light shines through, and somehow, by some miracle, a person says to you, I know what you have experienced, because it happened to me….and they give you a bible and say this book will reveal who they are and how you can overcome them, because they hate what is written in this book, and if you follow, they will go away, because you can command them to and they have to obey. ….and they went away, after a long struggle, and I commanded them and they left with the loudest bang on my house, similar to the sound of a car driving through it. and that Stu, is not only faith, but faith with power, and until it happens to you, you will never understand that there is a spirit world out there very strong, and evil, and if that spirit world obey that command, then that command can only come from one stronger than itself….it's creater. Now the rest is up to me to keep them away “resist evil and the devil will flee” and these words that seem made up to you, hold so much power, not only to me, but for others who have been in this same situation. You will never understand until you have met the other side.  And if this never happened to me, then I guess I would be an atheist till this day, or some type of doubter.

Have you sought professional help for this? And I don’t mean from a pastor or other snake oil salesman, but from someone in a profession that knows something about disorders of the mind? Your story sounds terrifying, and I feel fortunate not to have experienced it, although I know a couple of other people who have described something similar and who now take anti-psychotic drugs for it. The good news, and this is the good news of Jesus too, is that there is no particular reason to believe that any of it is really true.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (Wakeup @ April 19 2012,23:21)

If we are monkeys,then what is the difference between a chimp or an orangutan,or a gorilla,or a human. We are all of the same root.(Stu,s claim). Stu is making a difference between a chimp.and an orangutan. But why; they are brothers are they not.(this is discrimination). wakeup.

There are people who argue that human rights should be extended at least to chimpanzees, a concept with which I have some sympathy but also some reservations. I guess you would have to call the collective idea something like 'great ape rights'. And then you are on a slippery slope of a kind to those more distantly related cousins.

I don't know the full implications of this argument, but I take from it the idea that we should be respectful of the rights of our great ape cousins to live in peace, and currently they don't because of the actions of humans. Chimpanzees are very intelligent animals, and orangutans have language and culture.

When this discussion of rights for cousins progresses as far as extending rights to our cousins the carrots, with which we also share common ancestry and which I enjoy eating, I might strike an ethical dilemma.

Stuart

[princess]

The sad part is Stuart, many animals experience the same as the chimpazees do. Perhaps if they would protect the larger of the species then the smaller ones would also be protected.

[princess]

Stuart,

On another note, can you please explain to me woman's intuition? It would help with understanding your dismissal and conclusion of Journey's account for me.

[francis]

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Hi Stu Fine.  But what do you call an imaginary friend to a 10 year old that appears to you, then disappears?   What do you call an imaginary friend to a 13 year old that shakes your bed so hard at night, you swore someone was there pushing it. What do you call an imaginary friend that makes an object disappear from your eyesight, then returns it in another place? and what do you call an imaginary friend when you're 25 years old and that thing comes into your room, jumps on your bed and then suffocates you whilst you are gasping for breath, meanwhile showing himself in the most disgusting form that you can see with lights flashing right through it, and the terror, like nothing you have ever experienced in your life….and the hatred…breathing on you? No imaginary friend here, just an enemy, who hates me with such passion, even you could not exceed it. So where does one go, when your parents think you are going crazy, and theres no one in this whole world that understands the years of terror you have been going through by something not being there? Then one day, the light shines through, and somehow, by some miracle, a person says to you, I know what you have experienced, because it happened to me….and they give you a bible and say this book will reveal who they are and how you can overcome them, because they hate what is written in this book, and if you follow, they will go away, because you can command them to and they have to obey. ….and they went away, after a long struggle, and I commanded them and they left with the loudest bang on my house, similar to the sound of a car driving through it. and that Stu, is not only faith, but faith with power, and until it happens to you, you will never understand that there is a spirit world out there very strong, and evil, and if that spirit world obey that command, then that command can only come from one stronger than itself….it's creater. Now the rest is up to me to keep them away “resist evil and the devil will flee” and these words that seem made up to you, hold so much power, not only to me, but for others who have been in this same situation. You will never understand until you have met the other side.  And if this never happened to me, then I guess I would be an atheist till this day, or some type of doubter.

Hello Journey42…

I'm a little confused by your story above.  What were the years that these episodes happened? I went back a few pages but couldn't find this story being told earlier… so I am assuming that this is the first time you've told it (I could be wrong on that count since I have not read everything you've written).

Anyway… I don't know how old you are are…  but if your name (Journey 42) means that you are currently 42 years old, then after doing some simple math (I hope I got the math correct), it would appear that:

— the first episode, when you were 10 years old, happened in 1980.

— The second episode happened in 1983 at the age of 13 years old.

— And the last episode happened in 1995 at the age of 25 years old…which was about 17 years ago.

Is this timeline correct?

Am I also correct in understanding that you were not a Christian when these episodes happened?

Respectfully yours,
Francis

[Stu]

Quote (princess @ April 20 2012,13:00)

Stuart, On another note, can you please explain to me woman's intuition? It would help with understanding your dismissal and conclusion of Journey's account for me.

If intuition is a process of using minimal input from the senses that comes up with ideas that cannot necessarily be explained rationally, then it would be interesting to study what success that process has in generating knowledge which matches knowledge gained by science. I'd guess the percentage would be low, but it is claimed that intuition is a creative endeavour that feeds the discipline of science with new possibilities. Most of that ends up being rejected, but sometimes it becomes a ground-breaking new theory.

I don't know if intuition is involved in journey's journey. And while I believe that women and men do think differently on average, I'm not sure what implications that has for intuition. What would you say women's intuition is, and how would the experiences outlined above be different between the sexes?

Stuart

[Stu]

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The sad part is Stuart, many animals experience the same as the chimpazees do. Perhaps if they would protect the larger of the species then the smaller ones would also be protected.

If the effect of granting rights to apes was that humans began to see other species, especially sentient ones, as also deserving respect then that is enough reason to support the idea. I just don't understand the mentality that leads to people injuring and killing seals on beaches, for example.

There is a definite disconnection from the natural world there, as if people cannot comprehend that they are just another animal species sharing the world with other animals that are minding their own business.

Stuart

[francis]

Hello Stu…

I don't know exactly what “women's intuition” is, but here is an interesting definition for the word “intuition” by Wikipedia:

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Intuition is the ability to acquire knowledge without inference or the use of reason.[1] “The word 'intuition' comes from the Latin word 'intueri', which is often roughly translated as meaning 'to look inside'’ or 'to contemplate'.”[2] Intuition provides us with beliefs that we cannot necessarily justify. For this reason, it has been the subject of study in psychology, as well as a topic of interest in the supernatural. The “right brain” is popularly associated with intuitive processes such as aesthetic abilities.[3][4][5] Some scientists have contended that intuition is associated with innovation in scientific discovery.[6] Intuition is also a common subject of New Age writings.[7]

So it appears that men also have some intuition and use intuition… especially as it applied to scientific discovery since we know that many scientists (men and woman alike) have had a EUREKA moment in discovering something.

It appears that many male detectives also use “gut instincts” when making assessments about a person they are interviewing.  To me, this seems a close relative to “women's intuition”.

Anyway… I think “intuition”… whether used by men or women… is really our brains working on a problem without a conscience effort on our part.  

Much like our brains do when we are asleep.  Many people have reported ideas and answers to a problem which have occurred to them while they were asleep… answers to problems they had been wrestling with during the times they were awake.

So it appears to me that “intuition” is our brain taking the information we had been gathering during the day (Detectives and Scientists for example)… and processing that information without any real conscience effort on our part… in coming to answers or having an EURIKA moment.

In that sense, I believe that both sexes have and use “intuition”.

Respectfully
Francis

[princess]

Quote (Stu @ April 20 2012,16:20)

Quote (princess @ April 20 2012,12:45) The sad part is Stuart, many animals experience the same as the chimpazees do. Perhaps if they would protect the larger of the species then the smaller ones would also be protected. If the effect of granting rights to apes was that humans began to see other species, especially sentient ones, as also deserving respect then that is enough reason to support the idea.  I just don't understand the mentality that leads to people injuring and killing seals on beaches, for example.   There is a definite disconnection from the natural world there, as if people cannot comprehend that they are just another animal species sharing the world with other animals that are minding their own business. Stuart

We have dicussed this before Stuart, princess' do not come from apes, we come from star dust…

I have a hard understanding why humanity must be reminded to care for animals and the environment, then again I have a hard time understanding why people don't recycle or be aware of how they use resources. However that is another story in itself.

[princess]

Quote (Stu @ April 20 2012,16:02)

Quote (princess @ April 20 2012,13:00) Stuart, On another note, can you please explain to me woman's intuition? It would help with understanding your dismissal and conclusion of Journey's account for me. If intuition is a process of using minimal input from the senses that comes up with ideas that cannot necessarily be explained rationally, then it would be interesting to study what success that process has in generating knowledge which matches knowledge gained by science.  I'd guess the percentage would be low, but it is claimed that intuition is a creative endeavour that feeds the discipline of science with new possibilities.  Most of that ends up being rejected, but sometimes it becomes a ground-breaking new theory. I don't know if intuition is involved in journey's journey.  And while I believe that women and men do think differently on average, I'm not sure what implications that has for intuition.  What would you say women's intuition is, and how would the experiences outlined above be different between the sexes? Stuart

I would think that intuition would be measured by one's environment. However, using the anomalies of intuition would be more interesting of a study.

I have always known that everything is connected in some how or way, what that is I don't know.
The unknown has always been a thorn in mankind's side, needing answer to questions so it may become known to them, to have a sense of superiority in the universe.
To say yes, I have the answer to that and even though there is no solid evidence to support the matter, either it be in theory or belief is somewhat odd.
However, it seems to be the fashionable trend these days.

[journey42]

Quote (Stu @ April 20 2012,11:10)

Quote (journey42 @ April 20 2012,01:56) Fine.  But what do you call an imaginary friend to a 10 year old that appears to you, then disappears?   What do you call an imaginary friend to a 13 year old that shakes your bed so hard at night, you swore someone was there pushing it. What do you call an imaginary friend that makes an object disappear from your eyesight, then returns it in another place? and what do you call an imaginary friend when you're 25 years old and that thing comes into your room, jumps on your bed and then suffocates you whilst you are gasping for breath, meanwhile showing himself in the most disgusting form that you can see with lights flashing right through it, and the terror, like nothing you have ever experienced in your life….and the hatred…breathing on you? No imaginary friend here, just an enemy, who hates me with such passion, even you could not exceed it. So where does one go, when your parents think you are going crazy, and theres no one in this whole world that understands the years of terror you have been going through by something not being there? Then one day, the light shines through, and somehow, by some miracle, a person says to you, I know what you have experienced, because it happened to me….and they give you a bible and say this book will reveal who they are and how you can overcome them, because they hate what is written in this book, and if you follow, they will go away, because you can command them to and they have to obey. ….and they went away, after a long struggle, and I commanded them and they left with the loudest bang on my house, similar to the sound of a car driving through it. and that Stu, is not only faith, but faith with power, and until it happens to you, you will never understand that there is a spirit world out there very strong, and evil, and if that spirit world obey that command, then that command can only come from one stronger than itself….it's creater. Now the rest is up to me to keep them away “resist evil and the devil will flee” and these words that seem made up to you, hold so much power, not only to me, but for others who have been in this same situation. You will never understand until you have met the other side.  And if this never happened to me, then I guess I would be an atheist till this day, or some type of doubter. Have you sought professional help for this?  And I don’t mean from a pastor or other snake oil salesman, but from someone in a profession that knows something about disorders of the mind?  Your story sounds terrifying, and I feel fortunate not to have experienced it, although I know a couple of other people who have described something similar and who now take anti-psychotic drugs for it.  The good news, and this is the good news of Jesus too, is that there is no particular reason to believe that any of it is really true. Stuart

Hi Stu

I didn't need anti psychotic drugs. They went away as commanded.

You can't see them. Can't prove to anybody that they exist. You only know that they have the ability to touch, restrain, show themselves in many different forms, and move objects.

Oh and another thing. What made me so angry as a child is the fact my mum said it was all in my head, but I found out years later, that she saw this thing one night. She was sewing that night and my 16 year old brother was playing ACDC “Highway to Hell” over and over. My mums sewing machine played up and she cursed God, and blamed him for the faulty machine, which is what she used to do all the time back then and the next thing you know, she sees this huge dark figure and not long after, my brother got killed that night in an accident. In his room we found a huge iron maiden “eddy” on the wall with the 666 on it. He had drawn it the day before. He mocked me too that day and said awful things about God. I was so sad for him when he died.

That was the last time my mum ever cursed God. And now that I'm all grown up and moved out, my younger sister who is 24 which lives with my parents, told me one day that this thing came into her room and pressed on her so bad she couldn't breathe or yell. Coincidence? My daughter who is 20 stays there and told me that something jumped on her bed a few times. My dad saw 3 men walk past his room. He got up straight away and they had vanished. They have heavy secured front doors, that just open and close by themselves, and footsteps walking up to the room..but theres nothing there. They deny it because of fear, and don't want to talk about it incase someone suggests they need medication…

ooh and the visitors that stay there….they all have stories to tell as well. But it's just a mental condition, right Stu? Drug em all up so that they become like zombies. Lock em up and throw away the key?

[Ed J]

Hi Journey,

Stuart does not understand the spirit world.
Glad to see you have control of your life back!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[karmarie]

Quote (journey42 @ April 21 2012,00:59)

Quote (Stu @ April 20 2012,11:10) Quote (journey42 @ April 20 2012,01:56) Fine.  But what do you call an imaginary friend to a 10 year old that appears to you, then disappears?   What do you call an imaginary friend to a 13 year old that shakes your bed so hard at night, you swore someone was there pushing it. What do you call an imaginary friend that makes an object disappear from your eyesight, then returns it in another place? and what do you call an imaginary friend when you're 25 years old and that thing comes into your room, jumps on your bed and then suffocates you whilst you are gasping for breath, meanwhile showing himself in the most disgusting form that you can see with lights flashing right through it, and the terror, like nothing you have ever experienced in your life….and the hatred…breathing on you? No imaginary friend here, just an enemy, who hates me with such passion, even you could not exceed it. So where does one go, when your parents think you are going crazy, and theres no one in this whole world that understands the years of terror you have been going through by something not being there? Then one day, the light shines through, and somehow, by some miracle, a person says to you, I know what you have experienced, because it happened to me….and they give you a bible and say this book will reveal who they are and how you can overcome them, because they hate what is written in this book, and if you follow, they will go away, because you can command them to and they have to obey. ….and they went away, after a long struggle, and I commanded them and they left with the loudest bang on my house, similar to the sound of a car driving through it. and that Stu, is not only faith, but faith with power, and until it happens to you, you will never understand that there is a spirit world out there very strong, and evil, and if that spirit world obey that command, then that command can only come from one stronger than itself….it's creater. Now the rest is up to me to keep them away “resist evil and the devil will flee” and these words that seem made up to you, hold so much power, not only to me, but for others who have been in this same situation. You will never understand until you have met the other side.  And if this never happened to me, then I guess I would be an atheist till this day, or some type of doubter. Have you sought professional help for this?  And I don’t mean from a pastor or other snake oil salesman, but from someone in a profession that knows something about disorders of the mind?  Your story sounds terrifying, and I feel fortunate not to have experienced it, although I know a couple of other people who have described something similar and who now take anti-psychotic drugs for it.  The good news, and this is the good news of Jesus too, is that there is no particular reason to believe that any of it is really true. Stuart Hi Stu I didn't need anti psychotic drugs.  They went away as commanded. You can't see them.  Can't prove to anybody that they exist.  You only know that they have the ability to touch, restrain, show themselves in many different forms, and move objects.   Oh and another thing.  What made me so angry as a child is the fact my mum said it was all in my head, but I found out years later, that she saw this thing one night.  She was sewing that night and my 16 year old brother was playing ACDC “Highway to Hell” over and over.  My mums sewing machine played up and she cursed God, and blamed him for the faulty machine, which is what she used to do all the time back then and the next thing you know, she sees this huge dark figure and not long after, my brother got killed that night in an accident.  In his room we found a huge iron maiden “eddy” on the wall with the 666 on it.  He had drawn it the day before.  He mocked me too that day and said awful things about God.  I was so sad for him when he died. That was the last time my mum ever cursed God.  And now that I'm all grown up and moved out, my younger sister who is 24 which lives with my parents, told me one day that this thing came into her room and pressed on her so bad she couldn't breathe or yell.  Coincidence?  My daughter who is 20 stays there and told me that something jumped on her bed a few times.  My dad saw 3 men walk past his room.  He got up straight away and they had vanished.  They have heavy secured front doors, that just open and close by themselves, and footsteps walking up to the room..but theres nothing there.  They deny it because of fear, and don't want to talk about it incase someone suggests they need medication… ooh and the visitors that stay there….they all have stories to tell as well.  But it's just a mental condition, right Stu?  Drug em all up so that they become like zombies.  Lock em up and throw away the key?

Hi Journey42.

I agree with this. Not all stories but some.

When I was growing up, we moved into a house and strange things happened. It was a really bad feeling in there all of the time. My Mother was a strong Christian, but my Father wasn't. It was my Father who was tormented in that house the most. My Mother took a photo of the house one day from outside, and there was a shadow of a man staring right back at the camera from inside the house. Nobody else was in there. And then soon after that, my parents were warned by a local group from the Catholic Chuch that the house used to have a flagpole in the backyard and people used to dance around it worshipping the Devil, even showing them a map of where it used to be in a local history book, and advised them to move out (They actually had an organised meeting with my family). They believed them and sold it. Soon after, the family who moved in went through similar hard times and one day the local milkman found the man on the side of the road with a knife and his newborn baby. He managed to stop him harming the baby. But the man drove his car hundreds of miles and then crashed it and died.

I don't know what happened after that as I moved out of the district, but when I came back I noticed it was for sale and had a look inside. It was hard to describe what I felt.

But one thing I do know is that when you have faith in God, there is nothing to fear.

[Ed J]

Hi Karmarie and Journey,

1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them:
because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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