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Hello Wake Up,
Is it a need or want for you to figure me out, perhaps that is a question you should ask yourself.
Just to breifly answer your questions, I have no creed, never did attach myself to one. I don't believe in God as you do, I comprehend thoughts and God is in the thoughts of some, so deny that God does not exsit is not processing another's thoughts. I don't finger point, due to I have a few pointing back at me, I have taught my son the same, no need to point, give direction. Religion is just a subject to be discussed, and bad behave does not need a faith/religion attached to it.
Now a few questions for you, how does blood purify the spirit? What deciding factor made you choose the God that you did? How did you come about to believe everything in the bible as being true?
Princess
Quote (princess @ May 21 2012,01:40) Hello Wake Up, Is it a need or want for you to figure me out, perhaps that is a question you should ask yourself.
Just to breifly answer your questions, I have no creed, never did attach myself to one. I don't believe in God as you do, I comprehend thoughts and God is in the thoughts of some, so deny that God does not exsit is not processing another's thoughts. I don't finger point, due to I have a few pointing back at me, I have taught my son the same, no need to point, give direction. Religion is just a subject to be discussed, and bad behave does not need a faith/religion attached to it.
Now a few questions for you, how does blood purify the spirit? What deciding factor made you choose the God that you did? How did you come about to believe everything in the bible as being true?
Princess
Hi Princess.Thank you for your response; You believe what you believe,that is your Choice.
But one must not just believe in something because it feels good in the style of life one is living; that way everyone would believe in what ever is comfortable for them selves.This can create confusion in the world,everyone his own.
I do what is good FOR ME,and you do what is good FOR YOU.
As you know mens heart; always me,me,me,first,and always get,get,get,not give,give,give.We all must work together guided by the one spirit; a higher being that is full of love and just,and that can bring us all into one big family; the family of mankind,bound by the ONE spirit of love,for God is love.
We can not choose our God,but he choses us to be in his family,and we can say yes, or no,and find our own god that we prefer,we have a free choice.
The God that I worship, is him that has shown us his love for us,by giving his only begotten son for a sacrifice,so that the door to God is open again; for it was closed for a long time when God let them do their own thing in the old days, and men kind has gone realy realy bad.
He is the God of Abraham.isaac,jacob,Jesus,and all the prophets before us. He is the God that says; love your neighbour as your selves,Give your right cheek,be humble,dont touch the unclean thing,do good.
He is the God that says; do good for I am watching.
And I will give you everlasting life,if you follow my commandments; but I will punish the evil doers.
For they can not go on forever,because I love my good children.No Princess; I dont just blindly believe,I have been studying the scriptures for 42yrs. I am not into religions,and mans ideologies.
I dont judge any body;but the words that I quoted from the bible does the judging,not me personally.If the words pierced some person,than he or she is feeling guilty,and usually they get angree. But I can not help that.
There is one God and Jesus christ,his only begotten son,who loved his father to death,so that we can come to the father through him only. AND HE WAS THE WORD OF GOD,IN THE FLESH,and now being glorified and made spirit and sitting next to his father in heaven.
Greetings to you.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 21 2012,16:20) As you know mens heart; always me,me,me,first,and always get,get,get,not give,give,give.
So, if it was to come down to a choice between your personal, selfish greed for an eternal afterlife, and you giving up that for the sake of all the people in your neighbourhood, which would you choose?Stuart
Stu,
That's one of the most insightful questions that I have read about Christianity is a while.
Once again, Christians are demonstrably hypocritical in their criticism of “selfish” people who don't accept their religion. The whole concept of “salvation” is the epitome of selfishness: eternal reward at the expense of someone else's sacrifice. How can you possibly get any more selfish than that?
Then, of course, there's the whole idea that someone would desire a “relationship” with you – of all the creatures in the universe, you! – so much that he would willing put himself through literal and/or figurative hell in order to supply you with the option to accept or reject him. That seems a bit narcissistic to me.
How ironic is that Christians constantly accuse the non-religious of being selfish and narcissistic.
Here is a non believer in the bible,claiming to know the bible more than the believer.Knowing what is symbolic, and what is not symbolic.Just take your pick,to suit.
Claiming to know about spiritual things,at the same time disregard the spiritual.The flesh puffed up,claiming to know the spiritual,that does not exist at all in the mind.
The flesh is flesh only; no spirit in the flesh,just life generated by chemicals.There is no difference between animal flesh and human flesh,they are all of the same chemicals.
The chemicals decide what to be; human or animal.The questionis:
Why do human children ask questions?
Why dont animal children/ ask questions?
Why do human children make their own games to play,but not animal children?Why do we humans ask the question: is there a God?
Because we are created IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.
The animals are more like a mass production,but not humans.
God fashioned Adam and Eve with his own hand,and breathed into the nostrils the breath of live,he gave us the knowledge of good and bad.We are a special product.
made for a special purpose.His purpose.We can plan,discus,create,worship,love,hate,make decisions,have fun.
It is him that created us,we must worship:we must not worship men,or beast,or things we have made with our hands.
(technology).He is the Potter that fashioned the clay.
Can the clay say to the Potter; what are you doing?I object !
Can the clay say to the Potter; I know more than you?
Can the clay say to the Potter; I dont like to be an ashtray,I like to be a bowl?Heb.11:3.Through faith we understand that the worlds were FRAMED by the word of God,(let there be light and there was light),so that things which are seen, were not made of things which DO APPEAR.
Framed by the word of God: scientist have mentioned dark matter,and dark energy; its just a name given to something they can not understand.
Its time to open the eyes and see:
There is a God that fashioned us,and he also made everything.
It is him alone we must worship.
The potter can cast away the rejected clay in the trash,and there is non that can object.For there is non higher,when God swears;he swears by his own name,for there is non higher.Please dont take this personally.
Greetings to you.wakeup.
So, if it was to come down to a choice between your personal, selfish greed for an eternal afterlife, and you giving up that for the sake of all the people in your neighbourhood, which would you choose?
Stuart
Hi Stu
We can debate,but please do not blaspheme,for it is not necessary to do that.
All christians want everlasting life and live with God,for that is the core of our believe.
It is good to hunger to be with the creator for ever,this is not greed for the material, like mostbelievers and non believers do.Greed is like a fire,it never stops as long as there is fuel to burn,and it will get bigger and bigger,there is no satisfaction.God has provided us the way to eternal life,and it is to the individual to make the choice.
To disregard the way,and just dismiss it without thorough investigation is not a wise thing to do.One must start of being humble,and then seek,for only the humble will be given knowledge.
satan was very proud,he wanted to be like God; what happened to him? He was was cast out of heaven with all the angels that follow him,and he knows his future; the lake of fire is where he is going.And we humans,will judge him for the sorrows he has done to us.
He is the father of all evil here on earth,and his work will soon be accomplished,when evil has come to the full.
We need God in every way to protect us against satans devices,for he loves to cause us harm,physically and spiritually.He can make us sick,and can cause accidents to happen.
There is no profit in siding with the forms of the world,for the world will come to its end,this can not be allowed to go on forever,for the sake of the good ones.Many brilliant minds has come to believe in God,like the astronaut which landed on the moon; he was in awe and said;
in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.What can one loose for believing in God, but pride itself.
Blessed are the humble for they shall see God.God created us for a good purpose,which the world love to know,but failed time and time again,because the heart is not right. They appear to be Godly from the outside, but the inside is not right with God.
Dont Judge God and the bible by their works,but judge righteously,by looking at the evidence,historical and scriptural.The sermon of the mount; is that not wisdom?
This is God himself speaking through his son.Greetings to you and all disbelievers,hoping they one day may see the light.
wakeup.
So, if it was to come down to a choice between your personal, selfish greed for an eternal afterlife, and you giving up that for the sake of all the people in your neighbourhood, which would you choose?
Stuart
Hello Wake Up,
Quote But one must not just believe in something because it feels good in the style of life one is living; that way everyone would believe in what ever is comfortable for them selves.
People choose their God for this very same reason.Quote This can create confusion in the world,everyone his own.
I do what is good FOR ME,and you do what is good FOR YOU. As you know mens heart; always me,me,me,first,and always get,get,get,not give,give,give.
I know and since this part of the common today, it is always a breathe of fresh air when you come across someone who isn't.Quote bound by the ONE spirit of love,for God is love.
The word you should use in such cases would be agape, there are different levels/meanings of love.Quote We can not choose our God,but he choses us to be in his family,and we can say yes, or no,and find our own god that we prefer,we have a free choice.
Some may disagree with you, due to predestination and all that, depending on the reader and how they interpret the bible regarding such.Quote The God that I worship, is him that has shown us his love for us,by giving his only begotten son for a sacrifice,so that the door to God is open again; for it was closed for a long time when God let them do their own thing in the old days, and men kind has gone realy realy bad.
Your God sacrificed a human and told you to wash in his blood to purify yourself. The door was never closed, it just was stained with a different type of blood.Quote He is the God of Abraham.isaac,jacob,Jesus,and all the prophets before us. He is the God that says; love your neighbour as your selves,Give your right cheek,be humble,dont touch the unclean thing,do good.
Comparing both prophets and laws there is a huge difference it this God.Quote He is the God that says; do good for I am watching.
And I will give you everlasting life,if you follow my commandments; but I will punish the evil doers.
For they can not go on forever,because I love my good children.
Why do you want to live forever?Quote No Princess; I dont just blindly believe,I have been studying the scriptures for 42yrs. I am not into religions,and mans ideologies.
Then I am disappointed that in 42 years, you have come no further then this.Quote I dont judge any body;but the words that I quoted from the bible does the judging,not me personally.If the words pierced some person,than he or she is feeling guilty,and usually they get angree. But I can not help that.
You Wake Up, at one time I thought the same, using the passage ' the word is like a two edged sword piercing to the bone', then I came to understand it was platitude.Quote There is one God and Jesus christ,his only begotten son,who loved his father to death,so that we can come to the father through him only. AND HE WAS THE WORD OF GOD,IN THE FLESH,and now being glorified and made spirit and sitting next to his father in heaven.
John 1.1, fascinating verse, tears Christianity right down the middle or for lack of a better term in three's.Stu.
Your question is invalid;but I will answer it anyway.
Anyone who love father ,mother, brother or sister,or friends, or neighbour more than me is not worthy of me.
We simply can not put God in second place to anybody or anything.My greed for eternal life with God exeeds anything;yes if people had to die for some strage reason, so I can be with God,that is what I choose.
200 children had to die in the hand of king Herod,for the sake of Jesus.
What is death to God? he says in Jer.31. I will bring them back in their place.And so will many of the israelites be brought back again.(revived).Study the scriptures,dont just read it like reading a novel.
One must seek,this is how the bible is constructed; compare scripture and scripture,till you can see a great picture immerging.But you must clear your bias mind first.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 24 2012,22:38) Stu. Your question is invalid;but I will answer it anyway.
Anyone who love father ,mother, brother or sister,or friends, or neighbour more than me is not worthy of me.
We simply can not put God in second place to anybody or anything.My greed for eternal life with God exeeds anything;yes if people had to die for some strage reason, so I can be with God,that is what I choose.
200 children had to die in the hand of king Herod,for the sake of Jesus.
What is death to God? he says in Jer.31. I will bring them back in their place.And so will many of the israelites be brought back again.(revived).Study the scriptures,dont just read it like reading a novel.
One must seek,this is how the bible is constructed; compare scripture and scripture,till you can see a great picture immerging.But you must clear your bias mind first.wakeup.
Thank you for your straighter answer.And if we are ever in a difficult situation, remind me not to ever trust you.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ May 25 2012,05:51) Quote (Wakeup @ May 24 2012,22:38) Stu. Your question is invalid;but I will answer it anyway.
Anyone who love father ,mother, brother or sister,or friends, or neighbour more than me is not worthy of me.
We simply can not put God in second place to anybody or anything.My greed for eternal life with God exeeds anything;yes if people had to die for some strage reason, so I can be with God,that is what I choose.
200 children had to die in the hand of king Herod,for the sake of Jesus.
What is death to God? he says in Jer.31. I will bring them back in their place.And so will many of the israelites be brought back again.(revived).Study the scriptures,dont just read it like reading a novel.
One must seek,this is how the bible is constructed; compare scripture and scripture,till you can see a great picture immerging.But you must clear your bias mind first.wakeup.
Thank you for your straighter answer.And if we are ever in a difficult situation, remind me not to ever trust you.
Stuart
I can not save anybody, every one must be responsible for their own soul.
If you are not saved; even all the sacrifices in the world can not help you.
The one perfect,and clean sacrifice is done,now its up to us to accept or to decline.If all is true; then we will find everlasting life.
But if all is just a hoax,then what have we got to loose?
The wise thing to do is to accept,thats MO.After all it is a good thing to exercise love for our neighbour.
Love beget love: hate beget hate:one live by the sword,one will die by the sword. If one loves God the creator; one will also practice love for his neighbour,this is a good thing to do.But unfortunately,the spirit of greed is manifest in man,and that creates selfishness,and the hunger for power.
With power comes pride;with riches also.A poor person become rich also will change that persons attitude.Just picture this; if every person loves to give, then no one in this world would be short of anything.
If every person in this world only loves to take,then only the strong gets stronger,and the strong will usually conglomerate to oppress the majority; for in the majority is the harvest. Their play ground. Let the poor work for as little as possible,so they will come back to work the next day,and be in need of the masters at all time.Unfortunately this is what the system is in this world.
God cares for the poor; he said for blessed are the poor,for they shall see God.Things will be turned the other way around; the poor will be the masters.
Knowing this,gives us hope day by day.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 25 2012,16:15) Quote (Stu @ May 25 2012,05:51) Quote (Wakeup @ May 24 2012,22:38) Stu. Your question is invalid;but I will answer it anyway.
Anyone who love father ,mother, brother or sister,or friends, or neighbour more than me is not worthy of me.
We simply can not put God in second place to anybody or anything.My greed for eternal life with God exeeds anything;yes if people had to die for some strage reason, so I can be with God,that is what I choose.
200 children had to die in the hand of king Herod,for the sake of Jesus.
What is death to God? he says in Jer.31. I will bring them back in their place.And so will many of the israelites be brought back again.(revived).Study the scriptures,dont just read it like reading a novel.
One must seek,this is how the bible is constructed; compare scripture and scripture,till you can see a great picture immerging.But you must clear your bias mind first.wakeup.
Thank you for your straighter answer.And if we are ever in a difficult situation, remind me not to ever trust you.
Stuart
I can not save anybody, every one must be responsible for their own soul.
I wasn’t talking about souls. What is a soul? This is about whether, in some hypothetical circumstance, if it came down to you giving up this bizarre quest for an eternal existence (not verified by any observation ever) for the sake of your fellow humans, you would cling on to your fantasy mythology ahead of real people. Now I’m not going to point out the selfishness of that, because it is your choice, but I will point out the hypocrisy of you telling others they are selfish.Quote If you are not saved; even all the sacrifices in the world can not help you.
Saved from what? Being blamed for the mistakes of the sadist tyrant dictator god that doesn’t appear to exist but nevertheless you claim should be loved, in the shadow of fear?Quote The one perfect,and clean sacrifice is done,now its up to us to accept or to decline.
I decline the immorality of human scapegoating. Not in my name thanks. There is nothing in your religion that actually requires you to take ownership of your wrongdoing and front up to the real people you have harmed. As long as you accept an ancient sacrifice you are fine, apparently. That’s also selfish.Quote If all is true; then we will find everlasting life.
But if all is just a hoax,then what have we got to loose?
The wise thing to do is to accept,thats MO.
You (and Pascal) must think your god is some kind of gullible fool.I disagree. I think it is the believers that are gullible.
Quote After all it is a good thing to exercise love for our neighbour.
But not to do that more than love a god that apparently doesn’t exist, right?Quote Love beget love: hate beget hate:one live by the sword,one will die by the sword. If one loves God the creator; one will also practice love for his neighbour,this is a good thing to do.
But if it came down to you putting the fantasy concept of “salvation” at risk, all bets are off. Doesn’t sound like love to me.Quote But unfortunately,the spirit of greed is manifest in man,and that creates selfishness,and the hunger for power. With power comes pride;with riches also.A poor person become rich also will change that persons attitude.
Christianity is a hobby for the very dull.Quote Just picture this; if every person loves to give, then no one in this world would be short of anything.
But Burt Bacharach said that without all the fantasy sadist tyrant god bollocks. Why not just agree with him and not tell people they are selfish when it is you who apparently is the most selfish of the lot?Stuart
Stu,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Saved from what? Being blamed for the mistakes of the sadist tyrant dictator god that doesn’t appear to exist but nevertheless you claim should be loved, in the shadow of fear?
What mistakes? You have absolutely no grasp on what God is doing and why. You have no credibility whatsoever when it comes to commenting on His actions, and your foolish statements confirm your lack of understanding beyond doubt.Quote I decline the immorality of human scapegoating. Not in my name thanks. There is nothing in your religion that actually requires you to take ownership of your wrongdoing and front up to the real people you have harmed. As long as you accept an ancient sacrifice you are fine, apparently. That’s also selfish.
Again, embarrassingly painful to read such ignorant ranting. Christ is all about personal accountability, you really don't have a clue at all do you. BTW, Don't judge Him by the hypocritical churches and lip servers..not that your understanding permits any valid judgment on your behalf, you see, one has to understand before one can pass judgment..and you are groping in the dark in a pit full of the self righteous bile oozing from your mocking lips…true ignorance.Quote You (and Pascal) must think your god is some kind of gullible fool. I disagree. I think it is the believers that are gullible.
You just stick to your ever changing “facts” that is evolution…i mean, facts never change right? right?…oh that's right, they do they do…thou fool…i guess “facts” evolve now also huh…naive little boy.Quote But if it came down to you putting the fantasy concept of “salvation” at risk, all bets are off. Doesn’t sound like love to me.
He never said that. So you are a false witness also huh. No surprise there.Quote Christianity is a hobby for the very dull.
Western science came into existence by inquisitive Christians as a form of worship, and knowledge exploded as never before…BECAUSE OF CHRISTIANS…whilst your unbelieving mob were still acting like barbarians…CHRISTIANS dragged you apes into civility thou foolish little boy…you call that dull? Seems to me you are ignorant of that fact, hence another stupid and ignorant rant on your behalf. You really don't see how much you are embarrassing yourself do you…and no, i do not like you one bit, you make my soul cringe thou proud little boy.Quote But Burt Bacharach said that without all the fantasy sadist tyrant god bollocks. Why not just agree with him and not tell people they are selfish when it is you who apparently is the most selfish of the lot?
Do you know Wakeup? NO you don't. So where is your evidence that he is selfish huh? Your self righteousness is nauseating to say the least…are you even an adult yet? Because you debate like a child throwing a big girly hissy fit…you know, the type your “special” friends throw…ahhh…could this be the true source of your hatred…closets are bad if one is claustrophobic right Stu?…maybe you should just open the door and finally step out huh…it's ok..the chemicals make you do it (probably “certain” web sites don't help either huh? wink wink)…it's ok…it's ok…mummy and daddy will eventually get over it. Man, I really dislike you with a righteous and godly hatred of the evil that you have in your black little heart…or is that purple…pink…green…Quote (WhatIsTrue @ May 23 2012,01:21) Stu, That's one of the most insightful questions that I have read about Christianity is a while.
Once again, Christians are demonstrably hypocritical in their criticism of “selfish” people who don't accept their religion. The whole concept of “salvation” is the epitome of selfishness: eternal reward at the expense of someone else's sacrifice. How can you possibly get any more selfish than that?
Then, of course, there's the whole idea that someone would desire a “relationship” with you – of all the creatures in the universe, you! – so much that he would willing put himself through literal and/or figurative hell in order to supply you with the option to accept or reject him. That seems a bit narcissistic to me.
How ironic is that Christians constantly accuse the non-religious of being selfish and narcissistic.
Insightful??? Oh dear, oh dear oh dear!!Do you even have a heart beat to enable blood to reach your brain?
So you would die for your neighborhood huh?
Well…at least your sacrifice would make one less defective addition to the gene pool at least….just let Stu go first huh…please.So, you would die for the murderers in your neighborhood huh…yay!! now they can keep on murdering because of your sacrifice…how clever of you.
You'd die for the rapists too huh…yay…now they can keep on raping…how insightful.
How about the pedophiles, don't forget them…guess our children can thank you and Stu for such insightful wisdom huh.
And thieves…
etc etc etc…good on ya, great sacrifice you and Stu would make..you'd become gods to this lot that's for sure…keep up the deep thought processes boys!
What a joke. This is the sort of insightful thinking universities produce…no wonder we are chin deep in the proverbial.
Quote (Stu @ May 25 2012,19:31) Quote (Wakeup @ May 25 2012,16:15) Quote (Stu @ May 25 2012,05:51) Quote (Wakeup @ May 24 2012,22:38) Stu. Your question is invalid;but I will answer it anyway.
Anyone who love father ,mother, brother or sister,or friends, or neighbour more than me is not worthy of me.
We simply can not put God in second place to anybody or anything.My greed for eternal life with God exeeds anything;yes if people had to die for some strage reason, so I can be with God,that is what I choose.
200 children had to die in the hand of king Herod,for the sake of Jesus.
What is death to God? he says in Jer.31. I will bring them back in their place.And so will many of the israelites be brought back again.(revived).Study the scriptures,dont just read it like reading a novel.
One must seek,this is how the bible is constructed; compare scripture and scripture,till you can see a great picture immerging.But you must clear your bias mind first.wakeup.
Thank you for your straighter answer.And if we are ever in a difficult situation, remind me not to ever trust you.
Stuart
I can not save anybody, every one must be responsible for their own soul.
I wasn’t talking about souls. What is a soul? This is about whether, in some hypothetical circumstance, if it came down to you giving up this bizarre quest for an eternal existence (not verified by any observation ever) for the sake of your fellow humans, you would cling on to your fantasy mythology ahead of real people. Now I’m not going to point out the selfishness of that, because it is your choice, but I will point out the hypocrisy of you telling others they are selfish.Quote If you are not saved; even all the sacrifices in the world can not help you.
Saved from what? Being blamed for the mistakes of the sadist tyrant dictator god that doesn’t appear to exist but nevertheless you claim should be loved, in the shadow of fear?Quote The one perfect,and clean sacrifice is done,now its up to us to accept or to decline.
I decline the immorality of human scapegoating. Not in my name thanks. There is nothing in your religion that actually requires you to take ownership of your wrongdoing and front up to the real people you have harmed. As long as you accept an ancient sacrifice you are fine, apparently. That’s also selfish.Quote If all is true; then we will find everlasting life.
But if all is just a hoax,then what have we got to loose?
The wise thing to do is to accept,thats MO.
You (and Pascal) must think your god is some kind of gullible fool.I disagree. I think it is the believers that are gullible.
Quote After all it is a good thing to exercise love for our neighbour.
But not to do that more than love a god that apparently doesn’t exist, right?Quote Love beget love: hate beget hate:one live by the sword,one will die by the sword. If one loves God the creator; one will also practice love for his neighbour,this is a good thing to do.
But if it came down to you putting the fantasy concept of “salvation” at risk, all bets are off. Doesn’t sound like love to me.Quote But unfortunately,the spirit of greed is manifest in man,and that creates selfishness,and the hunger for power. With power comes pride;with riches also.A poor person become rich also will change that persons attitude.
Christianity is a hobby for the very dull.Quote Just picture this; if every person loves to give, then no one in this world would be short of anything.
But Burt Bacharach said that without all the fantasy sadist tyrant god bollocks. Why not just agree with him and not tell people they are selfish when it is you who apparently is the most selfish of the lot?Stuart
You say that I am selfish; on what basis in your atheistic world do you judge me by?
What law in your atheist world says that I am selfish?On this side of the world,an atheist will say;to be selfish is human nature. It is survival.
So who is right,and who is wrong? all is relative.So how can you say that I am selfish?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 26 2012,02:36) Quote (Stu @ May 25 2012,19:31) Quote (Wakeup @ May 25 2012,16:15) Quote (Stu @ May 25 2012,05:51) Quote (Wakeup @ May 24 2012,22:38) Stu. Your question is invalid;but I will answer it anyway.
Anyone who love father ,mother, brother or sister,or friends, or neighbour more than me is not worthy of me.
We simply can not put God in second place to anybody or anything.My greed for eternal life with God exeeds anything;yes if people had to die for some strage reason, so I can be with God,that is what I choose.
200 children had to die in the hand of king Herod,for the sake of Jesus.
What is death to God? he says in Jer.31. I will bring them back in their place.And so will many of the israelites be brought back again.(revived).Study the scriptures,dont just read it like reading a novel.
One must seek,this is how the bible is constructed; compare scripture and scripture,till you can see a great picture immerging.But you must clear your bias mind first.wakeup.
Thank you for your straighter answer.And if we are ever in a difficult situation, remind me not to ever trust you.
Stuart
I can not save anybody, every one must be responsible for their own soul.
I wasn’t talking about souls. What is a soul? This is about whether, in some hypothetical circumstance, if it came down to you giving up this bizarre quest for an eternal existence (not verified by any observation ever) for the sake of your fellow humans, you would cling on to your fantasy mythology ahead of real people. Now I’m not going to point out the selfishness of that, because it is your choice, but I will point out the hypocrisy of you telling others they are selfish.Quote If you are not saved; even all the sacrifices in the world can not help you.
Saved from what? Being blamed for the mistakes of the sadist tyrant dictator god that doesn’t appear to exist but nevertheless you claim should be loved, in the shadow of fear?Quote The one perfect,and clean sacrifice is done,now its up to us to accept or to decline.
I decline the immorality of human scapegoating. Not in my name thanks. There is nothing in your religion that actually requires you to take ownership of your wrongdoing and front up to the real people you have harmed. As long as you accept an ancient sacrifice you are fine, apparently. That’s also selfish.Quote If all is true; then we will find everlasting life.
But if all is just a hoax,then what have we got to loose?
The wise thing to do is to accept,thats MO.
You (and Pascal) must think your god is some kind of gullible fool.I disagree. I think it is the believers that are gullible.
Quote After all it is a good thing to exercise love for our neighbour.
But not to do that more than love a god that apparently doesn’t exist, right?Quote Love beget love: hate beget hate:one live by the sword,one will die by the sword. If one loves God the creator; one will also practice love for his neighbour,this is a good thing to do.
But if it came down to you putting the fantasy concept of “salvation” at risk, all bets are off. Doesn’t sound like love to me.Quote But unfortunately,the spirit of greed is manifest in man,and that creates selfishness,and the hunger for power. With power comes pride;with riches also.A poor person become rich also will change that persons attitude.
Christianity is a hobby for the very dull.Quote Just picture this; if every person loves to give, then no one in this world would be short of anything.
But Burt Bacharach said that without all the fantasy sadist tyrant god bollocks. Why not just agree with him and not tell people they are selfish when it is you who apparently is the most selfish of the lot?Stuart
You say that I am selfish; on what basis in your atheistic world do you judge me by?
What law in your atheist world says that I am selfish?On this side of the world,an atheist will say;to be selfish is human nature. It is survival.
So who is right,and who is wrong? all is relative.So how can you say that I am selfish?wakeup.
It's not really of concern to me whether you are selfish or not. What is relevant I think is that you are hypocritical. That is pretty easy to judge: on one hand you rant against those who have an attitude of “me, me”, but then it turns out that you have an attitude of “me, me” also.I agree that it is a component of human nature to be selfish. It is also a component of human nature to be selfless. It's complicated!
But those who follow the Religion for the Dull seem to think it is all able to be summed up in sound bites and platitudes.
Stuart
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