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Quote (WhatIsTrue @ June 10 2012,06:08) Still not as specific as I would like, but it will do. Let's focus on the time frame, (i.e. “in the next couple of years”). What will you do if in ten years nothing like this has happened? Will you denounce the bible as a fraud?
(By the way, do you know how many times people have predicted that this kind of stuff was going to happen in the next couple of years?!?!?!!?)
Don't just trust what I say, this is why I told you to read for yourself, then ask questions. This is how we search. Not just accept what any one tells us.Yes many have predicted the end of the world, and it did not happen. They missed the vital signs and events that have to take place first. Many believe that Christ will come any day now and to be ready, but this is not true. That last empire that consists of 10 kings has to emerge first. Some say that it has already happened, gone, past, history, but Daniel says that Christ will come in the days of these kings, and destroy that kingdom. When Christ came the first time, he did not destroy any kingdoms. He came only to bring light (the truth) and he was murdered. At his second coming, he will come to bring judgement, and the the whole world will witness this. Every eye shall see him. Theres a big difference.
I showed you the scriptures saying that Israel will serve the King of Babylon 70 years. This is referring to the last days. So when do we count the seventy years from? After the 70 years, things will start happening. This generation will experience those things prophesied in their land, and we will see it. We know that the false prophet will be in power for 7 years, and during those 7 years he will occupy Israel for the last 3 1/2 years.
As soon as the 10 kings come together (Europe) then the false prophet will emerge shortly as their leader. When this happens we can start counting. We know he will go into Israel. We also know that these 10 kings are his army. His manpower. This will be the most powerful kingdom ever to emerge. Laws and times will change. The whole system as we know it will change, and it will start by making this world a cashless society. Everyone will be marked. Whether it's a chip or something, I do not know yet until it happens, but the world will think it great, as everyone can be identified, traced, and it will get rid of things like tax evasion, embezzlement, black market dealings, thefts, illegal immigrants, people working for cash under the table, drug dealings, you name it. They will have total control over us, and this will give the world peace for a little while, but this peace is short lived, and not true peace, but total control by the authorities.
If Europe does not form this new kingdom in the next couple of years, and I am slightly out, or out by a long shot, then no, I will not denounce the bible, but will say, oops I misinterpreted those scriptures and will keep watching whats happening in the world for those 10 kings to form. As I know they will. And I know the false prophet is coming out of them. As this is backed up in revelations 13 also. So then my timing could be wrong, but the events must take place regardless.
And you can see what's happening in Israel today. It is not good. They are surrounded by their enemies, and Iran wants them wiped off the face of the planet. Something big is going to happen here. Israel need a solution. Enter the false prophet.
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ June 10 2012,06:12) Quote (Ed J @ June 07 2012,06:10) Hi WIT, You did not comment on my synopsis? …will you please do so?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Look at Journey's synopsis. Then look at Wakeup's synopsis. I bet that I could find ten more different interpretations if I cared to google it.The bottomline: passages so vague that ten different people have eleven different interpretations aren't even worthy of consideration as “prophecies”.
For more examples of this (that you will actually accept), see how the works of Nostradamus have been abused in this regard.
Hi WIT,Does this mean you did not read my post?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgOne can go on into deeper conversations about what is and what is to come, however it does not change the fact where the data is drawn from and the base line of the faith itself. Of course blood will be spilt during this faith's end of times, due to the foundation of the faith holds the same for salvation.
Since one that hold the faith of christianity cannot go outside the cannon that was created from them by a faith they do not hold themselves, when one presents another 'book' they dismiss this book as not being from God, not by their own accounts but by others that have made the choice for them.
The concept of a super hero coming to save the earth is repeated in the comic book section of any store. One man saves the world and everyone else just sits back and let's him do all the work.
Hi Princess,
God warns against private interpretations of Prophecy. (2Peter 1:20)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,03:32) Quote (Stu @ June 09 2012,22:50) Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2012,01:58) Quote (Stu @ June 09 2012,01:32) Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2012,04:15) Hi Stuart, Looks like Science has proven once again
what YHVH has said 4,000+ years ago.How God said to circumcise the male babies on the eighth day.
Science has proven that on the eighth day clotting is highest.
You can continue to turn you back to God that created you
if you like, but surely you are a fool if that is your choice!Here are more things that Science has proven…
1. The Earth was round, not flat. (Isa 40:22)
2. The universe had a beginning. (Gen. 1:1)
3. The universe is expanding. (Isaiah 40:22)
4. Eating pigs are unhealthy. (Deut. 14:8)God bless
Ed J
Lots of activities “can be unhealthy”. On the other hand, do you know anyone personally who has ever suffered a disease specifically because he or she ate pork?Deuteronomy should also list smoking as something that “can be unhealthy” too. Why doesn't it?
Stuart
Hi Stuart, there are at least three reasons why “they” were told not to eat pork.1. Pigs are scavenger animals, they eat dead animals including themselves.
2. Pigs do not sweat – mammals sweat to remove toxins from the body.
3. You can easily contract “Trichinosis” by eating undercooked pork.With modern pig farming these concerns are less relevant.
I personally do follow God's Kosher laws for obvious health reasons.God bless
Ed J
(A)Do you know anyone personally who has suffered a disease specifically because of eating pork?(B)Why does Deuteronomy not warn against smoking, which kills far more of those who indulge in it than pork eating ever claimed?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,A) No
B) I assume you mean tobacco cigarettes.
It is all the additives in them: especially the radiated soil that
they are grown in (in Virgina and the Carolinas) that causes Cancer and Emphysema.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Good, so:(A) The bible is wrong to say that eating pigs is an unhealthy activity: it is eating pigs that are infected with trichinosis that is unhealthy.
(B) I think you will find it is all the combustion products, especially the tar, that are the carcinogens in cigarette smoke. The principle carcinogen in tar is benzo[a]pyrene. It doesn't matter whether the tobacco is grown in Virginia or Napier, New Zealand, the problem is the same one.
I would have thought that the numbers of people with Trichinella infections in the ancient world would have been quite high, but only a fraction of them would have died from the disease. A much higher proportion of smokers would have been killed by their smoking, even though they didn't live long enough to get as many cancers as we do today, or the long-term cardiovascular diseases.
So, I reckon if the Judeo-christian god is going to make up hundreds of laws for Jews, and you say they were for health reasons, it was probably just as important that humans were warned against the nasty effects of smoking as against the risk of infected pigs.
Even in the Twentieth Century it was claimed that doctors recommended particular brands of cigarette. So this god is a sadist. It knew about smoking and poor health but didn't warn us.
Nasty god.
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2012,01:29) Hi Princess, God warns against private interpretations of Prophecy. (2Peter 1:20)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So who is the deliverer of official interpretations?This professional homophobe?
Or this primate?
Or this African ape?
Or this overblown escatologist?
Do tell.
Stuart
journey42,
Let's review.
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ June 05 2012,03:16) Quote (journey42 @ June 01 2012,05:09) We know the events leading up to it in detail and perfect order.
What was the last big event, and what is the next big event? And how long until it happens?Quote (journey42 @ June 10 2012,10:00) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ June 10 2012,06:08) Let's focus on the time frame, (i.e. “in the next couple of years”). What will you do if in ten years nothing like this has happened? Will you denounce the bible as a fraud?
If Europe does not form this new kingdom in the next couple of years, and I am slightly out, or out by a long shot, then no, I will not denounce the bible, but will say, oops I misinterpreted those scriptures and will keep watching whats happening in the world for those 10 kings to form. As I know they will.We started out with you telling me that you know the events of the “end times” in detail and perfect order. Yet, when I challenge you with the possibility of getting it wrong, you are prepared to chalk it up to misinterpretation.
Well, you can't have it both ways. Either you know what's going to happen, and the bible is specific enough to give you that kind of certainty. Or, you really don't know at all what's going to happen, but you are prepared to re-interpret whatever happens in such a way as to fit the bible.
Do you see how this is not even remotely indicative of any kind of foreknowledge?
Here. Let's try a little exercise.
Check this “prophecy” out:
Quote The blood of the just will be demanded of London
Burnt by fire in the year '66
The ancient Lady will fall from her high place
And many of the same sect will be killed.This prophecy was made in the 16th century. Do you know what happened in the 17th century?
Quote The small fire that started in the bakery of Thomas Farriner on Pudding Lane in London September 2, 1666 (in the year '66) turned into a three day blaze that consumed the city. One of the explanations for the blood of the just, refers to the millions of flea carrying rats that were killed.
Peasant deaths were not recorded at the time, but it has long been held that six people perished in the fire.
Pretty good, huh? How about this one:
Quote PAU, NAY, LORON will be more of fire than of the blood,
To swim in praise, the great one to flee to the confluence.
He will refuse entry to the Piuses,
The depraved ones and the Durance will keep them imprisoned.Again, this is a 16th century prophecy, “fulfilled” in the 18th century.
Quote (PAU, NAY, LORON) Three towns in southern France: Pau, Nay and Oloron. The capitalization hints that something is hidden within the words and to look further.
Rearranging them spells out NAPAULON ROY, or Napoleon the King in French.
(More of fire than of the blood), refers to Napoleon's non-noble lineage and the (refuse entry to the Piuses) speaks to Popes Pius VI and VII, both imprisoned by Napoleon.
Impressive, huh? There's also one for Hitler, the assassinations of JFK and RFK, and more!
This is the same kind of thing that you are doing with the bible. You are taking vague passages that don't have any real specific meaning and reintepreting them based on what looks possible. It's nonsense.
Either that, or you should acknowledge that Nostradamus, (the author of all of the “prophecies” above), is just as divinely inspired as your bible is.
To read more of Nostradamus' “great” prophecies, go to http://www.businessinsider.com/the-nos….V5NwAxP
Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,10:02) Hi WIT, Does this mean you did not read my post?
No. I read your post. Did you expect me to find it profound?Quote (Stu @ June 11 2012,19:08)
So who is the deliverer of official interpretations?
Do tell.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Prophecy is understood after it's fulfilled.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (WhatIsTrue @ June 12 2012,03:53) Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,10:02) Hi WIT, Does this mean you did not read my post?
No. I read your post. Did you expect me to find it profound?
Hi WIT,You do agree it is a feasible explanation; correct?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,12:44) Quote (Stu @ June 11 2012,19:08)
So who is the deliverer of official interpretations?
Do tell.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Prophecy is understood after it's fulfilled.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And when that turns out to be wrong, it is understood again in a different way the next time it is “fulfilled”.And the next…
And the next.
Just ask this hominid:
<img src=" ” target=”_blank”>http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multime….MG]
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,12:44) Quote (Stu @ June 11 2012,19:08)
So who is the deliverer of official interpretations?
Do tell.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Prophecy is understood after it's fulfilled.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And when that turns out to be wrong, it is understood again in a different way the next time it is “fulfilled”.And the next…
And the next.
Just ask this hominid:
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,16:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,12:44) Quote (Stu @ June 11 2012,19:08)
So who is the deliverer of official interpretations?
Do tell.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Prophecy is understood after it's fulfilled.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And when that turns out to be wrong, it is understood again in a different way the next time it is “fulfilled”.And the next…
And the next.
Just ask this hominid:
<img src=" ” target=”_blank”>http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multime……..MG]
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Did you not understand what I said?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ June 12 2012,19:48) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,12:44) Quote (Stu @ June 11 2012,19:08)
So who is the deliverer of official interpretations?
Do tell.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Prophecy is understood after it's fulfilled.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And when that turns out to be wrong, it is understood again in a different way the next time it is “fulfilled”.And the next…
And the next.
Just ask this hominid:
Stuart
Stu I noticed that your first attempt at this post had mistakes, but thankfully the post evolved on its own to become more perfect to the forum, browser, and code, so as to better fit that eco-system.No need for intelligent intervention in your post now is there Stu? Of course not. Intelligence in Stu's post? He he. That would be arguing toward intelligent design and Stu doesn't believe in that.
Quote (t8 @ June 12 2012,19:41) Stu I noticed that your first attempt at this post had mistakes, but thankfully the post evolved on its own to become more perfect to the forum, browser, and code, so as to better fit that eco-system. No need for intelligent intervention in your post now is there Stu? Of course not. Intelligence in Stu's post? He he. That would be arguing toward intelligent design and Stu doesn't believe in that.
My post had an intelligent designer.Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,17:32) Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,16:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,12:44) Quote (Stu @ June 11 2012,19:08)
So who is the deliverer of official interpretations?
Do tell.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Prophecy is understood after it's fulfilled.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And when that turns out to be wrong, it is understood again in a different way the next time it is “fulfilled”.And the next…
And the next.
Just ask this hominid:
<img src=" ” target=”_blank”>http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multime……..MG]
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Did you not understand what I said?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Well you said it all really. It's not even prophecy until someone claims that a particular event has fulfilled it. So much for the word prophecy, or the black art of making prophecies.Who is the current antichrist as claimed by eschatology conspirators?
Who was it 50 years ago?
100 years ago?
According to many, the end times prophecies have already been fulfilled long ago.
And yet here we still are…
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,22:58) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,17:32) Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,16:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,12:44) Quote (Stu @ June 11 2012,19:08)
So who is the deliverer of official interpretations?
Do tell.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Prophecy is understood after it's fulfilled.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And when that turns out to be wrong, it is understood again in a different way the next time it is “fulfilled”.And the next…
And the next.
Just ask this hominid:
<img src=" ” target=”_blank”>http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multime……..MG]
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Did you not understand what I said?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Well you said it all really. It's not even prophecy until someone claims that a particular event has fulfilled it. So much for the word prophecy, or the black art of making prophecies.Who is the current antichrist as claimed by eschatology conspirators?
Who was it 50 years ago?
100 years ago?
According to many, the end times prophecies have already been fulfilled long ago.
And yet here we still are…
Stuart
There seems to be here a misunderstanding of the word Prophecy while some Prophets may speak of future events the meaning of prophecy is to express divine will it literally means to “go tell”prophet late 12c., from O.Fr. prophete (11c.), from L. propheta, from Gk. prophetes (Doric prophatas) “an interpreter, spokesman,” especially of the gods, from pro- “before” (see pro-) + root of phanai “to speak,” from PIE *bha- (2) “speak” (see fame). Used in Septuagint for Heb. nabj “soothsayer.” By early writers, Gk. prophetes was translated by L. vates, but the Latinized form propheta predominated in post-Classical times, chiefly due to Christian writers, probably because of pagan associations of vates. Non-religious sense is from 1848; used of Muhammad from 1610s (translating Arabic al-nabiy, and sometimes also al-rasul, prop. “the messenger”). The Latin word is glossed in O.E. by witga. Prophetess is recorded from c.1300.
The immediate sense of a Prophet then is to warn and if a person reads the Bible or Quran it is easy to see that the entire message of both are warnings of doing or not doing something with the underlying results.
The Bible says something so profound that it should be noted:
Deuteronomy 18:22
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.From this we can see clearly that most of what a Prophet says would have to happen in a time frame that is small enough where it would be known if he were right or wrong while he is alive. The few Prophecies that are long range prophecies usually include the terms “in the end” or “end times” and these could simply be visions of future warnings not necessarily future events.
Now to say that Prophecy is understood after it's fulfilled is a valid statement in the sense after an event what caused the outcome becomes much clearer but someone who is a prophet or understands the prophecy often will understand it as it is happening and make provisions to benefit from it.
Such as Noah with the boat, Lot leaving with some family members nd other situations like that while Cain ignored the Profecy and became a murderer and Jonah didn't understand the prophecy and was bitter when he thought his prophecy failed when it didn't. Further God explains:
Isaiah 42:19
Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD's servant?So the point is in doing the will of God that in itself is understanding
Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,22:58) Who is the current antichrist as claimed by eschatology conspirators? Stuart
Hi Stuart,There is no 'the antichrist', it is the 'spirit of antichrist'.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ June 12 2012,22:58) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,17:32) Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,16:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,12:44) Quote (Stu @ June 11 2012,19:08)
So who is the deliverer of official interpretations?
Do tell.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Prophecy is understood after it's fulfilled.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And when that turns out to be wrong, it is understood again in a different way the next time it is “fulfilled”.And the next…
And the next.
Just ask this hominid:
<img src=" ” target=”_blank”>http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multime……..MG]
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Did you not understand what I said?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Well you said it all really. It's not even prophecy until someone claims that a particular event has fulfilled it. So much for the word prophecy, or the black art of making prophecies.Who is the current antichrist as claimed by eschatology conspirators?
Who was it 50 years ago?
100 years ago?
According to many, the end times prophecies have already been fulfilled long ago.
And yet here we still are…
Stuart
Stu.What about this one; Jesus said this gospel will be preached through out the earth for a witness: and that was said 2000yrs ago.(prophesy fulfilled).
Many false prophets shall arise,and shall deceive many.(prophesy fulfilled.)
Because iniquity shall abound,the love of many shall wax cold.
(prophesy fulfilled).Many shall come in my name,saying,I am christ: and shall deceive many.
(prophesy fulfilled).For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,nor ever shall be.
(what if this one also will be fulfilled)?And then hall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven:and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,and they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven,with power and great glory.
( what if these prophesies also will be fulfilled)? where will you stand? can science and technology save you from his wrath?
wakeup.
Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,22:58) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,17:32) Quote (Stu @ June 12 2012,16:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2012,12:44) Quote (Stu @ June 11 2012,19:08)
So who is the deliverer of official interpretations?
Do tell.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Prophecy is understood after it's fulfilled.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And when that turns out to be wrong, it is understood again in a different way the next time it is “fulfilled”.And the next…
And the next.
Just ask this hominid:
<img src=" ” target=”_blank”>http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multime……..MG]
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Did you not understand what I said?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Well you said it all really. It's not even prophecy until someone claims that a particular event has fulfilled it. So much for the word prophecy, or the black art of making prophecies.Who is the current antichrist as claimed by eschatology conspirators?
Who was it 50 years ago?
100 years ago?
According to many, the end times prophecies have already been fulfilled long ago.
And yet here we still are…
Stuart
Hi Stuart,God gives the prophecy's and we understand their fulfillment.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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