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Quote (Wakeup @ May 26 2012,22:04) My question is:
By what law in your atheist world do you judge me by?
Where does it say that i am selfish?
Is it the composition of chemicals in me?wakeup.
I judged you as hypocritical. That's because you appear to be so. The “law” on which that is based is really just the application of dictionary definitions.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ May 27 2012,11:57) Quote (Wakeup @ May 26 2012,22:04) My question is:
By what law in your atheist world do you judge me by?
Where does it say that i am selfish?
Is it the composition of chemicals in me?wakeup.
I judged you as hypocritical. That's because you appear to be so. The “law” on which that is based is really just the application of dictionary definitions.Stuart
Stu.one composition of chemicals can not judge another composition of chemicals.
What is hypocrisy in your world anyway?So what; I think it is good,sorry you dont like it.Then again I should not be sorry,for this is what i am.Too much potassium maybe.wakeup.
Quote (Stu @ May 27 2012,11:57) Quote (Wakeup @ May 26 2012,22:04) My question is:
By what law in your atheist world do you judge me by?
Where does it say that i am selfish?
Is it the composition of chemicals in me?wakeup.
I judged you as hypocritical. That's because you appear to be so. The “law” on which that is based is really just the application of dictionary definitions.Stuart
You judge and condemn somebody who “appears” to be something in your biased view.
“appears”!!
A foolish and childish approach.
The things you accuse others of, you yourself practice in triple measure.
Therefore, hypocrite is a polite description when it comes to describing your kind.This hatred you have for God and His followers will come back to bite you assuredly.
What, you think we believe in God blindly?
You think we are naive?
Don't you realize young fool, that we might not have always followed God?
Have you even contemplated that we have seen many many things in this life, have had many experiences, tried many different pleasures, interacted and hung with all manner of peoples, acted in ways shameful, violent, selfish, self harmful, greedily, perverse, proudly etc etc etc etc etc?
Have you even contemplated that we might even have thought like you do at times in our lives?
Do you think we are all church types? born into all that hypocritical self righteous church hype?
Some of us have learned the hard way thou puffed up one…by making mistakes and learning from them…learning by understanding what choices we made did indeed have consequences.
Our lives experiences leading us, with logical analysis of things we have experienced and seen and felt and done, leading us to that which we know must be..and that is God.You think God has never intervened in our lives in such ways that can only be described as personal miracles?
Or answered our prayers in ways that defy logic, Him above answering our requests in ways hard to explain logically?
Prayers answered and manifested openly that made even our non believing friends pause and wonder?
Are they too brainwashed and delusional?
Fool.What, you think we all have brain damage and are deluded for identifying His interventions in our lives?
Has it occurred to you thou fool, that it might just be these interventions that have reinforced our assumptions and observations and deductions which have either led us to our beliefs or reinforced our beliefs?
These things happening when we were in our rebellious ways unmindful of God or even unbelieving all together?
But you will say we are crazy just for believing in God, that we imagined everything we have experienced etc etc etc. But, thou fool, we experienced them when we didn't like to acknowledge God nor think about Him…some when they didn't believe in anything else but science, being atheist like you!
Fool.I have had unbelieving friends who now believe from things i told them would come about in this world long long before they did….things that they said i was crazy for saying at all, things they now see and admit that i was right…things that nobody believed could possibly occur, things that came from biblical prophecies…things our leaders are doing, things nations are now doing, things they openly admit they wish to do in the near future…
ALL FORETOLD IN THE BIBLE.
HOW? HOW o fool?
How? Because God has revealed the end at the beginning that's how.
BECAUSE GOD IS VERY VERY REAL.
What, you think He is obligated to prove Himself to YOU!!
The ant demanding the giant to bow before him?
Who are YOU? A god? Some precious example of a perfect creature demanding acknowledgment before he even considers acknowledging others?
Grow up..wake up..open those eyes long closed.Just because we believe in God you assume that we can not logically analyze situations and events and with unbiased deductions come to sound conclusions based on knowledge learned by experiences?
How proud and self important of you.
Only non believers can be logical huh fool?
Only non believers can weigh up and come to sound conclusions?
Fool, many of us came to these conclusions in that very unbelieving state!So what makes you so special?
What makes your stance more credible than ours?
What makes your state of mind more sane?
Your observations more substantial?
the answer of course is nothing, nothing but young pride born in self assurance trusting in your own wisdom…any wizened old man, believer or not, can tell you the fatal outcome of that puffed up approach.
Something time reveals…time you have not yet experienced.So all things you rant on about here, all these rants are easily identifiable, they are rants based not in experience, but in academic indoctrination.
Your words and seeming “wisdom” are borrowed from those who are above you, those you look up to, those you learn from, so it is not you we speak with, but an entire institution.
So be aware of that truth young man, not one bit of “wisdom” you rave on about was discovered/formed/thought out by YOU…but instead, by others before you.
So why are you so proud as though your wisdom came about naturally and all on your own merits?
It did not, therefore, you are not wise or smart, you are just “well taught”…like a parrot repeating what he has heard.So you, Stu, in reality, are like those before you, who themselves are like those church types who follow blindly, like you, born into indoctrination, straight from school into cocooned lifestyles in colleges/universities, where egos are stoked and minds groomed and manipulated by sheltered types full of hypocrisy and hate for God just like you, “knowing” everything but doing/experiencing nothing.
Therefore your selective wisdom means nothing.
Your beloved peers selective wisdom means nothing alsoThey were like you too, arrogant puffed up God hating (meaning delusional, for they hate and rant on about that which they supposedly do not believe in !!!! behaving just like doped up mental patients) overconfident students finally graduating only to become self righteous egotists who claim divine wisdom above all others, drunk on the praise of their fellows, behaving exactly like those brainwashed school to church types…in other words…extremists…your are just like an evangelical religious fanatic…your eyes and mind wide shut to all that is outside of your preconditioned segregated little cocooned window.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,00:32) Quote (Stu @ May 27 2012,11:57) Quote (Wakeup @ May 26 2012,22:04) My question is:
By what law in your atheist world do you judge me by?
Where does it say that i am selfish?
Is it the composition of chemicals in me?wakeup.
I judged you as hypocritical. That's because you appear to be so. The “law” on which that is based is really just the application of dictionary definitions.Stuart
Stu.one composition of chemicals can not judge another composition of chemicals.
What is hypocrisy in your world anyway?So what; I think it is good,sorry you dont like it.Then again I should not be sorry,for this is what i am.Too much potassium maybe.wakeup.
I explained what hypocrisy is already. I don't see the problem actually. You accused others of being as you apparently are.You can celebrate that if you want.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ May 28 2012,20:37) Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,00:32) Quote (Stu @ May 27 2012,11:57) Quote (Wakeup @ May 26 2012,22:04) My question is:
By what law in your atheist world do you judge me by?
Where does it say that i am selfish?
Is it the composition of chemicals in me?wakeup.
I judged you as hypocritical. That's because you appear to be so. The “law” on which that is based is really just the application of dictionary definitions.Stuart
Stu.one composition of chemicals can not judge another composition of chemicals.
What is hypocrisy in your world anyway?So what; I think it is good,sorry you dont like it.Then again I should not be sorry,for this is what i am.Too much potassium maybe.wakeup.
I explained what hypocrisy is already. I don't see the problem actually. You accused others of being as you apparently are.You can celebrate that if you want.
Stuart
Stu.On what bases do you judge?
Are you using moral as your bases?
No you cant: dont be unfaithful to your standards.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,20:43) Quote (Stu @ May 28 2012,20:37) Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,00:32) Quote (Stu @ May 27 2012,11:57) Quote (Wakeup @ May 26 2012,22:04) My question is:
By what law in your atheist world do you judge me by?
Where does it say that i am selfish?
Is it the composition of chemicals in me?wakeup.
I judged you as hypocritical. That's because you appear to be so. The “law” on which that is based is really just the application of dictionary definitions.Stuart
Stu.one composition of chemicals can not judge another composition of chemicals.
What is hypocrisy in your world anyway?So what; I think it is good,sorry you dont like it.Then again I should not be sorry,for this is what i am.Too much potassium maybe.wakeup.
I explained what hypocrisy is already. I don't see the problem actually. You accused others of being as you apparently are.You can celebrate that if you want.
Stuart
Stu.On what bases do you judge?
Are you using moral as your bases?
No you cant: dont be unfaithful to your standards.wakeup.
I can use morals, and I do, for example when I judge christianity to be immoral. But I wasn't using moral judgment in this case, just judgment against dictionary definitions, just as I could have accused grass of being green, which on the whole it is.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ May 28 2012,20:57) Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,20:43) Quote (Stu @ May 28 2012,20:37) Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,00:32) Quote (Stu @ May 27 2012,11:57) Quote (Wakeup @ May 26 2012,22:04) My question is:
By what law in your atheist world do you judge me by?
Where does it say that i am selfish?
Is it the composition of chemicals in me?wakeup.
I judged you as hypocritical. That's because you appear to be so. The “law” on which that is based is really just the application of dictionary definitions.Stuart
Stu.one composition of chemicals can not judge another composition of chemicals.
What is hypocrisy in your world anyway?So what; I think it is good,sorry you dont like it.Then again I should not be sorry,for this is what i am.Too much potassium maybe.wakeup.
I explained what hypocrisy is already. I don't see the problem actually. You accused others of being as you apparently are.You can celebrate that if you want.
Stuart
Stu.On what bases do you judge?
Are you using moral as your bases?
No you cant: dont be unfaithful to your standards.wakeup.
I can use morals, and I do, for example when I judge christianity to be immoral. But I wasn't using moral judgment in this case, just judgment against dictionary definitions, just as I could have accused grass of being green, which on the whole it is.Stuart
Stu.your own dictionary stu?
The dictionary we have is baed on our morals.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,22:16) Quote (Stu @ May 28 2012,20:57) Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,20:43) Quote (Stu @ May 28 2012,20:37) Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,00:32) Quote (Stu @ May 27 2012,11:57) Quote (Wakeup @ May 26 2012,22:04) My question is:
By what law in your atheist world do you judge me by?
Where does it say that i am selfish?
Is it the composition of chemicals in me?wakeup.
I judged you as hypocritical. That's because you appear to be so. The “law” on which that is based is really just the application of dictionary definitions.Stuart
Stu.one composition of chemicals can not judge another composition of chemicals.
What is hypocrisy in your world anyway?So what; I think it is good,sorry you dont like it.Then again I should not be sorry,for this is what i am.Too much potassium maybe.wakeup.
I explained what hypocrisy is already. I don't see the problem actually. You accused others of being as you apparently are.You can celebrate that if you want.
Stuart
Stu.On what bases do you judge?
Are you using moral as your bases?
No you cant: dont be unfaithful to your standards.wakeup.
I can use morals, and I do, for example when I judge christianity to be immoral. But I wasn't using moral judgment in this case, just judgment against dictionary definitions, just as I could have accused grass of being green, which on the whole it is.Stuart
Stu.your own dictionary stu?
The dictionary we have is baed on our morals.wakeup.
Is this some new platitude to which I am being introduced?Is this something “really, Jesus is a bit like, you know”, in the best and worst of the Anglican tradition??
Dictionaries are books of morals?
Certainly I'd consider the Oxford concise English dictionary more moral than the Judeo-christian book of gods condemning figs, but that would be because christianity is an immoral hobby.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ May 28 2012,23:47) Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,22:16) Quote (Stu @ May 28 2012,20:57) Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,20:43) Quote (Stu @ May 28 2012,20:37) Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,00:32) Quote (Stu @ May 27 2012,11:57) Quote (Wakeup @ May 26 2012,22:04) My question is:
By what law in your atheist world do you judge me by?
Where does it say that i am selfish?
Is it the composition of chemicals in me?wakeup.
I judged you as hypocritical. That's because you appear to be so. The “law” on which that is based is really just the application of dictionary definitions.Stuart
Stu.one composition of chemicals can not judge another composition of chemicals.
What is hypocrisy in your world anyway?So what; I think it is good,sorry you dont like it.Then again I should not be sorry,for this is what i am.Too much potassium maybe.wakeup.
I explained what hypocrisy is already. I don't see the problem actually. You accused others of being as you apparently are.You can celebrate that if you want.
Stuart
Stu.On what bases do you judge?
Are you using moral as your bases?
No you cant: dont be unfaithful to your standards.wakeup.
I can use morals, and I do, for example when I judge christianity to be immoral. But I wasn't using moral judgment in this case, just judgment against dictionary definitions, just as I could have accused grass of being green, which on the whole it is.Stuart
Stu.your own dictionary stu?
The dictionary we have is baed on our morals.wakeup.
Is this some new platitude to which I am being introduced?Is this something “really, Jesus is a bit like, you know”, in the best and worst of the Anglican tradition??
Dictionaries are books of morals?
Certainly I'd consider the Oxford concise English dictionary more moral than the Judeo-christian book of gods condemning figs, but that would be because christianity is an immoral hobby.
Stuart
Stu.Believing in God is not religion.
If ones hope is in science and technology,then this is a religion; ones God is what is in ones heart,and this is worshipping a false god.You worship you dont know what,maybe its your car.wakeup.
Quote Princess, It is not proud nor hateful to use ones debating methods against them, nor to point out hypocrisies when there is a goodly ulterior motive.
If one is rude and smug, even one who is not like that, even that person has a right to use the same method against the smug one IF the reason is honorable.
I do it in hope in showing those that do it how it feels in the spirit of change…other words, just maybe they will dislike being made to feel the way they are making others feel and change their approach to a more respectable level.
This is my reason…not hate…as you accused.
Don't think your method is working there Devol, perhaps you have another method to your maddess. You seem to be developing a Nabah type of behavior, perhaps with an added aegis, with a pitch of the demi urge, and just a little Zapotee added in for flavor.
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 20 2011,18:40) I disagree with several aspects of the atheist's claims: (i) “God” is a word. It is not an alternative explanation for anything. It is usually an excuse for not having an explanation.
(ii) Nothing suggests a designer. Apart from artifacts known to have been produced by living things with intent, everything else looks as if no design has been involved at all.
(iv) A moral life should reject the concept of the Judeo-christian god.
Of course the theist would be wrong about there being any scientific basis to much of the contents of the bible.
Stuart
Stu.You say God is -JUST A WORD; God is a title men use to identify the supreme being; and he has his word,and we also are created in his image and given our word.
Dont you understand that your WORD can do things; just with your word you can make some feel good,just with your word you can make some angree.
just with your word you can make things happen, just with your word you can create things, and just with your word you can also destroy things.Just with your word you can destroy yourself.
just with the word, engineers can build machines; It all depends on a persons word.
Just with hitlers word a whole nation can go to war.Now you picture what Gods word can do,he created all with his word.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 29 2012,01:44) Believing in God is not religion.
re·li·gion/riˈlijən/
Noun:1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
Quote If ones hope is in science and technology,then this is a religion;
Not according to what the word “religion” means.Stuart
Quote (Wakeup @ May 29 2012,18:59) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 20 2011,18:40) I disagree with several aspects of the atheist's claims: (i) “God” is a word. It is not an alternative explanation for anything. It is usually an excuse for not having an explanation.
(ii) Nothing suggests a designer. Apart from artifacts known to have been produced by living things with intent, everything else looks as if no design has been involved at all.
(iv) A moral life should reject the concept of the Judeo-christian god.
Of course the theist would be wrong about there being any scientific basis to much of the contents of the bible.
Stuart
Stu.You say God is -JUST A WORD;
Indeed it is. An invention. A language tool with which humans try to achieve dominance over other humans.Quote God is a title men use to identify the supreme being;
What supreme being? I see none, hear none, feel none, smell none or taste none, and there is no instrument that has ever detected a god. You are bluffing. Perhaps you want power over others too.Quote and he has his word,
Religious platitude.Quote and we also are created in his image and given our word.
Another religious platitude.Quote Dont you understand that your WORD can do things; just with your word you can make some feel good,just with your word you can make some angree.
The logical fallacy of equivocation.Quote just with your word you can make things happen, just with your word you can create things, and just with your word you can also destroy things.
Thank you for suggesting my word might have power. I only hope to do good by it.Quote Just with your word you can destroy yourself.just with the word, engineers can build machines; It all depends on a persons word.Just with hitlers word a whole nation can go to war.
Yawn.Quote Now you picture what Gods word can do,he created all with his word.
What god?Stuart
Quote (Devolution @ May 25 2012,21:07) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ May 23 2012,01:21) Stu, That's one of the most insightful questions that I have read about Christianity is a while.
Once again, Christians are demonstrably hypocritical in their criticism of “selfish” people who don't accept their religion. The whole concept of “salvation” is the epitome of selfishness: eternal reward at the expense of someone else's sacrifice. How can you possibly get any more selfish than that?
Then, of course, there's the whole idea that someone would desire a “relationship” with you – of all the creatures in the universe, you! – so much that he would willing put himself through literal and/or figurative hell in order to supply you with the option to accept or reject him. That seems a bit narcissistic to me.
How ironic is that Christians constantly accuse the non-religious of being selfish and narcissistic.
Insightful??? Oh dear, oh dear oh dear!!Do you even have a heart beat to enable blood to reach your brain?
So you would die for your neighborhood huh?
Well…at least your sacrifice would make one less defective addition to the gene pool at least….just let Stu go first huh…please.So, you would die for the murderers in your neighborhood huh…yay!! now they can keep on murdering because of your sacrifice…how clever of you.
You'd die for the rapists too huh…yay…now they can keep on raping…how insightful.
How about the pedophiles, don't forget them…guess our children can thank you and Stu for such insightful wisdom huh.
And thieves…
etc etc etc…good on ya, great sacrifice you and Stu would make..you'd become gods to this lot that's for sure…keep up the deep thought processes boys!
What a joke. This is the sort of insightful thinking universities produce…no wonder we are chin deep in the proverbial.
So you don't dispute my point that Christians are in fact quite selfish while accusing others of being selfish? Can you name something more selfish than wanting to gain from the personal sacrifice of somebody else?Wakeup,
I am not saying that Christians are the only selfish people. We are all selfish. It's part of being human. However, Christians love to call non-believers selfish while exhibiting the most selfish attitudes known to mankind.
I repeat:
Can you name something more selfish than wanting to gain from the personal sacrifice of somebody else?
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ May 31 2012,03:12) Wakeup, I am not saying that Christians are the only selfish people. We are all selfish. It's part of being human. However, Christians love to call non-believers selfish while exhibiting the most selfish attitudes known to mankind.
I repeat:
Can you name something more selfish than wanting to gain from the personal sacrifice of somebody else?
Whatistrue.Waiting for the scrifice of someone?
We were not waiting for the sacrifice of anybody, we are GIVEN THAT SACRIFICE.,because God so loved the world,that he gave his only begotten son to be sacrificed.God proved to us that he loves us first.
You can not discus spiritual things using your secular knowledge. These are two different wavelengths.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 30 2012,23:15) You can not discus spiritual things using your secular knowledge. These are two different wavelengths.
If by “spiritual things” you mean things that don't make sense in the real world, then, yes, I agree with you.Quote (WhatIsTrue @ May 31 2012,06:02) Quote (Wakeup @ May 30 2012,23:15) You can not discus spiritual things using your secular knowledge. These are two different wavelengths.
If by “spiritual things” you mean things that don't make sense in the real world, then, yes, I agree with you.
Whatistrue.Yes in your world it does not make sense.
In the world of many it does make sense.
You are a secular person,anything that your eyes can not see,is not there.This is a very shallow view of the universe,a very cocky attitude.
We are the all knowing in the universe we have the science.We have the brain,we have created great things.But to self destruct.
And to make peace we dont know,to feed the poor we dont know. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer,This is the result of your so called intelligent world.We dont need God attitude.What hapened to previous great empires,where are they? You will destroy yoursleves,just as sodom and gomorah,destroyed because of evil works,and sinful living.You are in short wave and I am in long wave.
wakeup.
Christians seem to have a narcissistic need to feel like very special little snowflakes,
They can see things that other people can't see, they are on special long wavelengths while,
everyone else is on short wavelengths.
They can hear God while non Christians are deaf to his voice.However their selfish, conceited, egocentric, psyche could never be assuaged until they knew that God himself, the very creator of the entire universe, had himself killed just for them.
Very sad,
Tim
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