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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2007,05:14) Hi MS,
They can only partially and imperfectly reflect truth.
Hi NH,
I think you are being a little vague.Quote We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible; and in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten of His Father, of the substance of the Father, God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made, both that are in heaven and in earth; who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, was incarnate and was made man. He suffered and the third day he rose again, and ascended into heaven. And he shall come again to judge both the living and the dead. And we believe in the Holy Spirit.
I'm interested to know – which part is unscriptural, and why?Hi Is 1.18,
HUH?
Surely you would disagree?
You believe in two deities at least, one of them Christ, so why mention Christ as Lord and not God as Lord as well? You believe in two makers of heaven and earth. You do not believe Jesus was begotten but was God incarnate.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2007,09:29) Hi Is 1.18,
HUH?
Surely you would disagree?
You believe in two deities at least, one of them Christ, so why mention Christ as Lord and not God as Lord as well? You believe in two makers of heaven and earth. You do not believe Jesus was begotten but was God incarnate.
Hi NH,
Unlike yourself, I haven't actually passed comment on the creeds. You wrote:Quote Do you disagree with them? Hi MS,
yes in part.Quote Hi MS,
They can only partially and imperfectly reflect truth.I'm just wondering what part or parts you think are inherently unscriptural?, and why?
I'm curious, that's all.
Hi Is 1.18,
There is picking and choosing of what truths are kept. There is so much more that can be said of the plan of God but only a few details have been chosen by the authors. Pontius Pilate gets a mention in one but no Caiaphas. The creed you quote is really a trinitarian mantra but even then is lacks substance. No mention of sin or of the Spirit being of God. There is emphasis on the trinitarian doctrinal base as far as Jesus goes but not the Spirit. No mention of the anointing of Jesus with that Spirit.Quote Hi W,
I defer to scripture as the source of truth.NH
No you dont.
You treat scripture like a maze. You turn where ever it seems best at the moment.
Hi W,
To those who base their perception of truth on a lie all is confusion.
Try the narrow path.
Follow Jesus.
He exalted the Word and not man's derivations-he exposed those as falsity.Mk 12
” 24And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?”Hi,
Matthew 7:16
By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?Those who ascribe to the creed of this man should follow the advice of Jesus and check his fruit.
Hi Nick,
What is the fruit of anti-Trinitarians? What churches to they go to? What fellowship do they have?
Tim
Hi Tim,
Attending traditional religious services is not the fruit the scriptures speak of.
Gal 5
“22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.”
Quote What is the fruit of anti-Trinitarians? What churches to they go to? What fellowship do they have?
Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in the trinity. They fellowship together all the time all over the world. (Heb 10:24)Nick, David,
Right. All those fruits you listed are aspects of relationships. You can only have them in fellowship with other believers. Faith in the New Testament meant being a part of the church.
Do Jehovah's Witnesses have fellowship in truth? For how long? Why'd it take them until the last century to appear?
Tim
Hi Tim2,
They are the scriptural definitions of fruit, but not your definition?
How long do you boast that you have fellowshiped in truth?
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