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I've been gone for a while…my christian brother passed away about 4 months ago.
I see people are still bickering about Trinitarianism vs Anti-tri….
Check this out.
God is Father, the source of all things.
Jesus is his son, he is everything God is and stands for made in creation
The Holy Spirit is God's spirit given unto man.
Can't we just leave it at that?
It's funny that you guys argue that God is triune, then argue that he's not…
The truth as I see it is that you're both right.
One doesn't disprove the other.
God is triune and also is one.
The Father is God.
The Son came from the father…
that too makes him God, yet he isn't God.
The Holy Spirit comes from The Father….
That too makes him God, yet he isn'tThere is only one God and that is God the father.
Jesus and The Holy Spirit are his manifestations unto man.
They both have their own identities the same way we have seperate identities from God himself.Only diff is that they are perfect in their own way, and Jesus has been “given” everything that is the father's.
You know, sin doesn't keep us from heaven.
It's unbelief in Jesus Christ dying for your sins that keep you from heaven.God doesn't care if you believe Jesus is him manifested in flesh.
All he cares is that you believe Jesus CAME from him to die for our sins. Whether it was he himself made into man or a piece of him….the understanding is beyond human understanding.
How can you use creation to understand the creator?
That's like using a computer to understand the human that designed the computer….It won't work unless the human had a flawless way of implementing that information.
God didn't give us a flawless way of knowing his genetic make-up lol.
Maybe because it's unimportant?
So chillax, let it go, and just believe that Jesus died for your sins.
Hi RM,
The Spirit of God proceeds from God [Jn15]but is never separated from God.
The Son was filled with that Spirit and now lives by that Spirit so
we can commune with both as the Lord is the Spirit.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 02 2010,20:47) Hi RM,
The Spirit of God proceeds from God [Jn15]but is never separated from God.
The Son was filled with that Spirit and now lives by that Spirit so
we can commune with both as the Lord is the Spirit.
Great, I agree.
So this whole Anti T vs. Trinitarian deal needs to stop.Both positions have incomplete understandings of God's (for lack of a better term) genetic make-up.
As long as we know we can commune with Jesus regarding him as the Son of God who answers prayers by consulting the Father…we should be ok.
We know the fullness of God's Deity dwells with Jesus, yet he's not God.
That makes him God and not God at the same time. so both arguements are valid and do not conflict with eachother.
The only thing that conflicts is human comprehension/perspective.
Hi RM,
We worship in truth.
Those to who trinity is preached as a god can never know God and His Son.Hi Rman
Sorry to hear about that.
I agree with what you said and not the trinitarians nor the anti trins, does it really matter? We are only human. We all percieve things different.
Hi RM,
Jesus speaks of the 'Lukewarm Church' in the book of Revelation.
You are the embodiment of that.
Sin does keep us from heaven. We should repent and be baptised in the Holy Spirit which will cleanse us of it (and then after, continue to walk in the way of God, that is, become Sons of God)
This forum is open for many and all.
There are some who come to learn.
There are some who come to argue.
There are some who come to preach or are directed through the Holy Spirit of God (2 Peter 1:20-21)
There are those who act as opposers, for if there were no opposers we should not have a tester of our belief. Is there one here that has not changed their mind, learnt anything counter to their preconceived ideas, no, not one can speak through an honest mouth and say 'Me'!Today, you have been taught. But did you learn. Are you going to be a disputer, an arguer? Or are you a preacher, a revealer sent by [a] God?
Welcome (back) to the learning zone.
Else, why else are you here?
Quote (JustAskin @ May 02 2010,23:36) Hi RM, Jesus speaks of the 'Lukewarm Church' in the book of Revelation.
You are the embodiment of that.
Sin does keep us from heaven. We should repent and be baptised in the Holy Spirit which will cleanse us of it (and then after, continue to walk in the way of God, that is, become Sons of God)
This forum is open for many and all.
There are some who come to learn.
There are some who come to argue.
There are some who come to preach or are directed through the Holy Spirit of God (2 Peter 1:20-21)
There are those who act as opposers, for if there were no opposers we should not have a tester of our belief. Is there one here that has not changed their mind, learnt anything counter to their preconceived ideas, no, not one can speak through an honest mouth and say 'Me'!Today, you have been taught. But did you learn. Are you going to be a disputer, an arguer? Or are you a preacher, a revealer sent by [a] God?
Welcome (back) to the learning zone.
Else, why else are you here?
Hi RM,Jesus speaks of the 'Lukewarm Church' in the book of Revelation.
You are the embodiment of that.
Sin does keep us from heaven.
—————————————————–I do not agree with you.
Sin does not keep us from heaven…lets examine this claim.
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Even christians still sin…if sin keeps you from heaven, then sinning after giving your life to God still will send you to hell.Well how can we hope to go to heaven, if we are going to sin all the way to the grave
By believing in Jesus Christ who died for your sins.
What's the significance in that, if sin regardless keeps you from heaven ?
When you sin, God's law says you must be punished (with death).
Jesus Christ served our punishment for us.
So now instead of us dying for our sins, we are forgiven and welcomed into the Kingdom
ONLY IF WE BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS OF GOD, HE DIED FOR US, AND WE REPENT AND TRY OUR BEST TO NOT LIVE IN SIN
So it's not sin that keeps us from Heaven, its unbelief in Jesus Christ.
A man can be sorry for his sin, and be repentant in all he does (muslims and the rest).
But if you fail to believe Jesus Christ died for your sins…then you fail to enter the kingdom.
I take offense in you calling me the embodiment of the lukewarm church…
O because you're perfect in your ideals and understanding of the bible…and because your definately going to heaven because you do not have any flaws in your perspective.
Justaskin, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Pull the stick out of your eye before you try to do so with someone else.
This post was intended to be a messege of peace to get Anti-T's and Trinitarians to stop bickering.
Yet you used it as an opportunity to form an attack on a fellow christian.
Jesus is the king of peace, if we are to follow him, we are to bring about peace, unlike your response.
Quote (RokkaMan @ May 02 2010,20:18) God doesn't care if you believe Jesus is him manifested in flesh.
Hi RM,I think the God who said, “I will share my praise and glory with no other”, and “who is my equal”, and “I am Jehovah, besides me there is no other God” would disagree with your statement.
By worshipping Jesus as God Almighty Himself, the trinitarians take from God His right to “share His praise and glory with no other”.
This kind of language from Jehovah is included in the Scriptures enough times for us to get the point. He will not abide people claiming anyone else is the creator of the heavens and the earth, the One who rules all, or are themselves God Almighty. This includes His Son, who made very clear that our God is also his God.
Not to mention this very important Scripture in which Jesus says,
3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
This means EVERLASTING LIFE, RM. Knowing who God is and who Christ is, not just saying “live and let live” when it comes to a flawed man-made doctrine that takes away from the majesty of “the ONLY true God”.
To be sure, I have many rafters in my own eye, but I agree with JA that your “standing on the fence” view of this battle is lukewarm. Be careful that you don't get spit out.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (RokkaMan @ May 02 2010,21:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 02 2010,20:47) Hi RM,
The Spirit of God proceeds from God [Jn15]but is never separated from God.
The Son was filled with that Spirit and now lives by that Spirit so
we can commune with both as the Lord is the Spirit.
Great, I agree.
So this whole Anti T vs. Trinitarian deal needs to stop.Both positions have incomplete understandings of God's (for lack of a better term) genetic make-up.
As long as we know we can commune with Jesus regarding him as the Son of God who answers prayers by consulting the Father…we should be ok.
We know the fullness of God's Deity dwells with Jesus, yet he's not God.
That makes him God and not God at the same time. so both arguements are valid and do not conflict with eachother.
The only thing that conflicts is human comprehension/perspective.
RMyou do not have to say much more we know who much you know about the scriptures,
in on sentence ;all what you can read;
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2010,14:05) Quote (RokkaMan @ May 02 2010,20:18) God doesn't care if you believe Jesus is him manifested in flesh.
Hi RM,I think the God who said, “I will share my praise and glory with no other”, and “who is my equal”, and “I am Jehovah, besides me there is no other God” would disagree with your statement.
By worshipping Jesus as God Almighty Himself, the trinitarians take from God His right to “share His praise and glory with no other”.
This kind of language from Jehovah is included in the Scriptures enough times for us to get the point. He will not abide people claiming anyone else is the creator of the heavens and the earth, the One who rules all, or are themselves God Almighty. This includes His Son, who made very clear that our God is also his God.
Not to mention this very important Scripture in which Jesus says,
3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
This means EVERLASTING LIFE, RM. Knowing who God is and who Christ is, not just saying “live and let live” when it comes to a flawed man-made doctrine that takes away from the majesty of “the ONLY true God”.
To be sure, I have many rafters in my own eye, but I agree with JA that your “standing on the fence” view of this battle is lukewarm. Be careful that you don't get spit out.
peace and love,
mike
Yes God said he wouldn't share his glory with another, but if Jesus is God…then he isn't lol…I bet that's a brain buster? Well it's truth
Also out of Jesus' own mouth, he asked God to restore him to the glory he “shared” with him before the world was….
So maybe scripture disagrees with you now?
John 17 v5: And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
So what kind of glory did he have well
John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.But take a look at this verse
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
So it seems there's two glories of Jesus Christ.
One as God before the world was…
And one as the only begotten of the Father after he was made flesh???hhmmm interesting.
If Jesus is God in flesh…it isn't considered sharing glory with another…His glory is still upon himself.
Almost sounds like God humbled himself to become man… O wait, i think scripture says that too!!!!
Funny how my logic is supposedly leading me down a path of destruction, Nick.
Question to all of those who are anti-trine… idk how to spell it…
I would really like to understand two things?
Of two scriptures, and i hope that ya dont take it as myself being agressive, or antagonizing ya.I really would like to know your interpretation of two scriptures. and compare with others if you like.
John 10:30 “I and my Father are one.”
-:33 “The Jews answred him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”
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So the jews believe that Jesus was saying that he was God?
Was Jesus saying that he was one with God?
I know that Later he says that the Father is greater than him, but of course he is at that current limited state of humanity.
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Second about the Holy SpiritJohn 16:13 “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.”
Is it saying that everything that Jesus has is from the father, and what Jesus possess the Holy Spirit has as well?
Quote (RokkaMan @ May 13 2010,17:06) Almost sounds like God humbled himself to become man… O wait, i think scripture says that too!!!! Funny how my logic is supposedly leading me down a path of destruction, Nick.
Hi RM,
To whom did your god humble himself?
If you relied on scripture Phil 2 would explain it to you.Jesus is the the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Hi RM:
Sorry about the passing of your Christian brother, but the good news is that you will see him again.
You say:
Quote God is Father, the source of all things. Jesus is his son, he is everything God is and stands for made in creation
The Holy Spirit is God's spirit given unto man.
Can't we just leave it at that?
I agree that we should just leave it at that because that is what God has said.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (SimplyForgiven @ May 14 2010,07:13) Question to all of those who are anti-trine… idk how to spell it… I would really like to understand two things?
Of two scriptures, and i hope that ya dont take it as myself being agressive, or antagonizing ya.I really would like to know your interpretation of two scriptures. and compare with others if you like.
John 10:30 “I and my Father are one.”
-:33 “The Jews answred him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”
–
So the jews believe that Jesus was saying that he was God?
Was Jesus saying that he was one with God?
I know that Later he says that the Father is greater than him, but of course he is at that current limited state of humanity.
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Second about the Holy SpiritJohn 16:13 “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.”
Is it saying that everything that Jesus has is from the father, and what Jesus possess the Holy Spirit has as well?
Hi SF:The answer to your first question:
Quote John 10:36 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe[d] that the Father is in Me, and I in Him. Quote John 17:20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e] believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me As for Question #2, The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit. “Where are you getting: Is it saying that everything that Jesus has is from the father, and what Jesus possess the Holy Spirit has as well?”
Jesus said everything that the Father has is his, and so, I don't understand where this says that the Holy Spirit possesses anything.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ May 14 2010,10:58) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 14 2010,07:13) Question to all of those who are anti-trine… idk how to spell it… I would really like to understand two things?
Of two scriptures, and i hope that ya dont take it as myself being agressive, or antagonizing ya.I really would like to know your interpretation of two scriptures. and compare with others if you like.
John 10:30 “I and my Father are one.”
-:33 “The Jews answred him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”
–
So the jews believe that Jesus was saying that he was God?
Was Jesus saying that he was one with God?
I know that Later he says that the Father is greater than him, but of course he is at that current limited state of humanity.
————————————-
Second about the Holy SpiritJohn 16:13 “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.”
Is it saying that everything that Jesus has is from the father, and what Jesus possess the Holy Spirit has as well?
Hi SF:The answer to your first question:
Quote John 10:36 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe[d] that the Father is in Me, and I in Him. Quote John 17:20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e] believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me As for Question #2, The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit. “Where are you getting: Is it saying that everything that Jesus has is from the father, and what Jesus possess the Holy Spirit has as well?”
Jesus said everything that the Father has is his, and so, I don't understand where this says that the Holy Spirit possesses anything.
Love in Christ,
Marty
verse 14:“he shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.”
It says it right there…….
Quote (RokkaMan @ May 13 2010,17:06) Almost sounds like God humbled himself to become man… O wait, i think scripture says that too!!!! Funny how my logic is supposedly leading me down a path of destruction, Nick.
RM …………O really please show us where GOD said “He humbled himslef and became a man”? What bible are you reading, My Bible says GOD is (NOT) a man that He should Lie or a son of man that he should repent.Mun 23:19……….> GOD IS NOT A MAN =, THAT HE SHOULD LIE; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, THAT HE SHOULD REPENT: HATH HE SAID AND SHALL HE NOT MAKE IT GOOD?
peace and love……………..gene
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