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  • #331221
    2besee
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    Journey,

    I do not follow the Saturday Sabbath.

    If there is a microchip or a mark, I will not get it.

    Also, if there is a spiritual mark which I believe to be true, you are vulnerable to it, because you deny it. You wait for a literal mark, only.

    You said:

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    THIS IS WHEN MANY WILL SAY LORD LORD, DIDN'T WE HEAL IN YOUR NAME, DIDN'T WE DO THIS OR THAT IN YOUR NAME?  
    THIS IS WHEN THEY WILL ALL SAY THIS.

    Finish the verse Journey……………'On that day many will say to me, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, YOU WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS

    And you say, Quote:  “The law if finished, gone, gone, gone, gone.”, Unquote.

    The law is not finished, Journey.

    #331222
    2besee
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 04 2013,22:26)

    EVEN THOUGH YOU CLAIM TO NOT BE SDA YOU DEFEND THEM AND THEREFORE YOU ARE GUILTY WITH THEM.

    What do they teach, Journey?

    The Ten commandments of God.

    What did Jesus say regarding this?
    Read this carefully,

    'Whoever sets aside one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom from heaven.

    But whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom from heaven

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    Tell me truthfully, did Christ ever clearly instruct us to observe the sabbath?  Something so important, did he mention it amongst everything else he covered?

    Jesus IS THE LORD OF THE SABBATH! So are they wrong to follow it? No.

    #331223
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2013,16:37)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,07:17)

    Quote (2besee @ Feb. 04 2013,09:40)
    Devo, Journey and Wakeup,
    You seem to be inconsistant in what you are saying.
    One minute you are saying that the law (the ten commandments) are finished, or only applicable to Israel, and not to Christians. and then you are saying that they are not finished.

    Yet Wakeup said a while back:

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    WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW,BUT UNDER A NEW COVENANT. THE LAW WAS CRUCIFIED AND BURIED WITH JESUS.

    https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….56;st=7

    Anyway,

    It seems that you each say that there will be a new kingdom temporarily set up in the earthly Israel, and that people will still die and be born in this system and that there will be some inside this kingdom in Israel and others (sinners?) who are outside this Country. And that after this temporary kingdom soon to come, THEN will come the Heavenly Jerusalem.

    (correct me if I am wrong).

    But NT does not say that, Jesus did not say that, Peter did not say that, etc.

    2 Corinthians 5:1  

    For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

    And as for revelations, no prophecy in scripture is a matter of ones own interpretation.

    We are also told to watch that WE do not deceive others.

    The original Greek:

    'What is the sign of your coming, and the completion of the age?
    And having answered, Jesus said to them, take heed, lest anyone you mislead,
    Many indeed will come in the name of me, saying, I am the Christ; and many they will mislead.

    http://biblos.com/matthew/24-4.htm

    I read somewhere here that you say that it is a sin to ignore your interpretation of prophecy.

    but Jesus warned us: especially regarding the end days to “beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are savage wolves.”

    and that “Many false prophets will appear and deceive many people, and because lawlessness will increase, the love of many people will grow cold. But the person who endures to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”


    2Besee.

    If you Think your interpretation and others are correct;
    then why can you guys not fill in the holes.
    Why are you avoiding my questions?

    Isaiah11:6–11.    65:17–25.  Zech. 8:3–8.
    You can not fit them in your doctrine,and therefore it is faulty,like a broken pot that can not hold any water.
       
    wakeup.


    Wup

    :D  :D Your question are so vague ,that does not matter what anyone says you will tell them that they are wrong,so what,s the point ,

    You do not risk to say it because we all would see how far of you will be from scriptures, next thing you do is open up another topic with the same ambition , :D


    Terra.
    Where can you fit these sriptures in your picture?

    Do you have a picture, or is it blank.
    Its just a simple question.

    wakeup.

    #331226
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup,

    I thought you came here to teach.
    Badgering God's children is not wise.
    I suggest you try a more loving approach.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #331232
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 04 2013,21:42)
    Hi Wakeup,

    I thought you came here to teach.
    Badgering God's children is not wise.
    I suggest you try a more loving approach.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    Children that dont take scriptures seriously.
    They need to be shaken.
    Children that dont care if the scriptures dont fit their doctrine.They have no knowledge of the old and new prophesies, thats why they cant understand.

    wakeup.

    #331251
    journey42
    Participant

    2besee,Feb. wrote:

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    Journey,

    I do not follow the Saturday Sabbath.


    OK, but the SDA do.  

    (from an earlier post)

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    The SDA's have my respect because I know that they teach the commandments of God and that they love Jesus. Their fruits are good.


    Which commandments are we talking about here, the old, the new? or both?  I know they observe the sabbath and are big on it. It's their main thing. They'll preach grace, then when they get you in they'll throw this burden on to you.

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    If there is a microchip or a mark, I will not get it.


    That's good to hear.

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    Also, if there is a spiritual mark which I believe to be true, you are vulnerable to it, because you deny it. You wait for a literal mark, only.

    Ok, so which one is it?  A microchip or a spiritual mark?  
    Please tell me in your own words what the spiritual mark is.

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    You said:

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    THIS IS WHEN MANY WILL SAY LORD LORD, DIDN'T WE HEAL IN YOUR NAME, DIDN'T WE DO THIS OR THAT IN YOUR NAME?  
    THIS IS WHEN THEY WILL ALL SAY THIS.

    Finish the verse Journey……………'On that day many will say to me, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, YOU WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS


    I know you know the verse, you have mentioned it before.
    We should all know this verse.  
    Who does all this?  
    The churches.

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    And you say, Quote:  “The law if finished, gone, gone, gone, gone.”, Unquote.

    The law is not finished, Journey.


    you are confusing me now.  If the law is not gone, then why do you not observe the sabbath?

    #331253
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Journey42,

    The the mark of the beast is 'Muslim'
    The name of the beast is 'Islam'
    The Quran's number is 666.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #331255
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 04 2013,22:26)

    EVEN THOUGH YOU CLAIM TO NOT BE SDA YOU DEFEND THEM AND THEREFORE YOU ARE GUILTY WITH THEM.

    Quote
    What do they teach, Journey?The Ten commandments of God.

    What did Jesus say regarding this?
    Read this carefully,

    'Whoever sets aside one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom from heaven.

    But whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom from heaven

    Christ says before this verse
    Matthew 5:17  Think not that I come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

    Christ was UNDER THE LAW during his time here.  He obeyed the law perfectly.  The law was in effect UNTIL Christ died.

     This was the fulfillment of the law, his death.  Everything prophesied about him was finally fulfilled at his death.

    Isaiah 53:7   He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

    Isaiah 53:8   He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cutt off out of the land of the living: for the trangression of my people was he stricken.

    Isaiah 53:9   He made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
    Isaiah 53:10   Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

    Isaiah 53:11   He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
    Isaiah 53:12   Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; beccause he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the trangressors, and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

    Matthew 5:17   For verily, I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in NO WISE pass from the LAW, ….TILL…ALL BE FULFILLED.

    All that was prophesied concerning him.  He poured out his soul unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors, he bared the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.  NOW THE LAW IS FULFILLED.  ALL THE ABOVE VERSES PROPHESIED CONCERNING CHRIST WAS FULFILLED AT HIS DEATH.  END OF OLD LAW.

    #331258
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,16:17)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2013,16:37)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,07:17)

    Quote (2besee @ Feb. 04 2013,09:40)
    Devo, Journey and Wakeup,
    You seem to be inconsistant in what you are saying.
    One minute you are saying that the law (the ten commandments) are finished, or only applicable to Israel, and not to Christians. and then you are saying that they are not finished.

    Yet Wakeup said a while back:

    Quote
    WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW,BUT UNDER A NEW COVENANT. THE LAW WAS CRUCIFIED AND BURIED WITH JESUS.

    https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….56;st=7

    Anyway,

    It seems that you each say that there will be a new kingdom temporarily set up in the earthly Israel, and that people will still die and be born in this system and that there will be some inside this kingdom in Israel and others (sinners?) who are outside this Country. And that after this temporary kingdom soon to come, THEN will come the Heavenly Jerusalem.

    (correct me if I am wrong).

    But NT does not say that, Jesus did not say that, Peter did not say that, etc.

    2 Corinthians 5:1  

    For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

    And as for revelations, no prophecy in scripture is a matter of ones own interpretation.

    We are also told to watch that WE do not deceive others.

    The original Greek:

    'What is the sign of your coming, and the completion of the age?
    And having answered, Jesus said to them, take heed, lest anyone you mislead,
    Many indeed will come in the name of me, saying, I am the Christ; and many they will mislead.

    http://biblos.com/matthew/24-4.htm

    I read somewhere here that you say that it is a sin to ignore your interpretation of prophecy.

    but Jesus warned us: especially regarding the end days to “beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are savage wolves.”

    and that “Many false prophets will appear and deceive many people, and because lawlessness will increase, the love of many people will grow cold. But the person who endures to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”


    2Besee.

    If you Think your interpretation and others are correct;
    then why can you guys not fill in the holes.
    Why are you avoiding my questions?

    Isaiah11:6–11.    65:17–25.  Zech. 8:3–8.
    You can not fit them in your doctrine,and therefore it is faulty,like a broken pot that can not hold any water.
       
    wakeup.


    Wup

    :D  :D Your question are so vague ,that does not matter what anyone says you will tell them that they are wrong,so what,s the point ,

    You do not risk to say it because we all would see how far of you will be from scriptures, next thing you do is open up another topic with the same ambition , :D


    Terra.
    Where can you fit these sriptures in your picture?

    Do you have a picture, or is it blank.
    Its just a simple question.

    wakeup.


    wup

    how many times did I show your errors in scriptures ,and you still do not accept the scriptures ,and so still disregard truth as it is written in the scriptures ,IN YOUR WORLD IT HAS TO BE YOUR WAYS AND GOD FOLLOWS ,RIGHT ???

    #331311
    2besee
    Participant

    Journey,

    You said,

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    Please tell me in your own words what the spiritual mark is.

    Why tell you in my own words when the Bible answers it for you?

    The book of Revelations is purely symbolic.

    I like riddles, and I love solving things. So one day I sat down to read the book of Revelations, determined to solve it. I had a pen and paper, and listed everything as I read. After an hour, I began to see that nothing in it is in order, it is all jumbled up, and it repeats things in different ways. I gave up, put my pen down, and left it. That is what I was shown to do. And then over the course of a few years, I would understand things in vision, and I would see matches in the words of Jesus or other new testament writers, and the book of Revelation. NOT MUCH, only bit by bit, and only in God's time.

    No prophecy of Scripture is open to PRIVATE INTERPRETATION because no prophecy ever originated through a human decision. Instead, men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

    As to your question regarding the spiritual mark.
    First, the Ten Commandments.

    Deut 5:

    LOVE OF GOD

    “‘I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt—from the house of slavery.

    “‘You are to have no other gods besides me.

    “You are not to make for yourselves a carved image resembling any form in the heavens above, on earth below, or in the waters under the earth.

    You are not to bow down to them in worship or serve them, because I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the iniquity of their parents to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing gracious love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.

    “‘You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, because the LORD will not leave the one who misuses his name unpunished.

    “‘You are to keep the Sabbath day holy, just as the LORD your God commanded. Six days you are to labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath for the LORD your God. You are not to do any work—neither you, your children, your male and female servants, your oxen and donkeys, nor any of your livestock—as well as any of the foreigners who live among you, so that your male and female servants may rest as you do. You are to remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, but the LORD your God brought you out from there with great power and a show of force. Therefore, the LORD your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

    LOVE OF NEIGHBOR

    “‘You are to honor your father and your mother, just as the LORD your God commanded you, so that your life will be long and things will go well for you in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.

    “‘You are not to murder.

    “‘You are not to commit adultery.

    “‘You are not to steal.

    “‘You are not to testify falsely against your neighbor.

    “‘You are not to desire your neighbor’s wife nor covet your neighbor’s house,p his fields, his male and female servants, his ox, his donkey, nor anything that concerns your neighbor.’”

    Deut 11:13-22

    And if you will indeed obey my commandments that I command you today, to love the Lord your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul, he will give the rain for your land in its season, the early rain and the later rain, that you may gather in your grain and your wine and your oil. And he will give grass in your fields for your livestock, and you shall eat and be full. Take care lest your heart be deceived, and you turn aside and serve other gods and worship them; then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you, and he will shut up the heavens, so that there will be no rain, and the land will yield no fruit, and you will perish quickly off the good land that the Lord is giving you.

    “You shall therefore lay up these words of mine in your heart and in your soul, and you shall bind them AS A SIGN ON YOUR HAND, and they shall be as frontlets BETWEEN YOUR EYES You shall teach them to your children, talking of them when you are sitting in your house, and when you are walking by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates, that your days and the days of your children may be multiplied in the land that the Lord swore to your fathers to give them, as long as the heavens are above the earth. For if you will be careful to do all this commandment that I command you to do, loving the Lord your God, walking in all his ways, and holding fast to him, then the Lord will drive out all these nations before you, and you will dispossess nations greater and mightier than yourselves.

    Deut 6:

    “ And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise. You shall bind them as a SIGN ON YOUR HAND, and they shall be as frontlets BETWEEN YOUR EYES. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.

    REMEMBER THAT THE BOOK OF REVELATION SPEAKS IN SYMBOLIC FORM. SO GODS COMMANDMENTS AND JESUS' WERE TO BE AS A SIGN ON OUR HAND AND AS FRONTLETS BETWEEN OUR EYES – (OUR FOREHEAD).

     
    Revelation 13:16

    The second beast forces all people—important and unimportant, rich and poor, free and slaves—to be marked ON THEIR RIGHT HAND OR ON THEIR FOREHEAD.

    Mark 12:28-34

    ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord, and you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.”

    Then the scribe told him, “Well said, Teacher! You have told the truth that ‘God is one, and there is no other besides him.’ To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding, and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all the burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

    When Jesus saw how wisely the man answered, he told him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”

    ——————–

    Is the seal of God also visible?

    No.

    “Don’t harm the land, the sea, or the trees until we have marked the servants of our God with a seal on their foreheads.” Rev 7:3

    Compare with Ezekiel chapter 9.

    #331314
    2besee
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 05 2013,04:37)

    Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 04 2013,22:26)

    EVEN THOUGH YOU CLAIM TO NOT BE SDA YOU DEFEND THEM AND THEREFORE YOU ARE GUILTY WITH THEM.

    Quote
    What do they teach, Journey?The Ten commandments of God.

    What did Jesus say regarding this?
    Read this carefully,

    'Whoever sets aside one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom from heaven.

    But whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom from heaven

    Christ says before this verse
    Matthew 5:17  Think not that I come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

    Christ was UNDER THE LAW during his time here.  He obeyed the law perfectly.  The law was in effect UNTIL Christ died.

     This was the fulfillment of the law, his death.  Everything prophesied about him was finally fulfilled at his death.

    Isaiah 53:7   He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

    Isaiah 53:8   He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cutt off out of the land of the living: for the trangression of my people was he stricken.

    Isaiah 53:9   He made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
    Isaiah 53:10   Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

    Isaiah 53:11   He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
    Isaiah 53:12   Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; beccause he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the trangressors, and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.[/color]

    Matthew 5:17   For verily, I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in NO WISE pass from the LAW, ….TILL…ALL BE FULFILLED.

    All that was prophesied concerning him.  He poured out his soul unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors, he bared the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.  NOW THE LAW IS FULFILLED.  ALL THE ABOVE VERSES PROPHESIED CONCERNING CHRIST WAS FULFILLED AT HIS DEATH.  END OF OLD LAW.

    Yeah yeah heard it all before.

    That is the man of sin speaking, read in context.

    Til Heaven and Earth pass away Journey. Heaven and Earth have not passed away.

    #331315
    Wakeup
    Participant

    2Besee.

    To obey God because of the law written in stone is of no great value to God;but to obey the law because of the love for God is of greater value.

    We follow the law because we love God and his son with all our heart. The law is for man,not man for the law.

    It is good to do good work on a sabath day.
    It is sin to do bad on any day.

    It is good to work on a sabath to feed the family. But not for greed.

    It is good to work on a sabath, to keep the nation supplied with electricity,or your fridge will get warm and your food will get spoiled, or you will freeze in the cold.

    It is not sin for those girls working in the shops to earn their living,and to pay the rent.

    It is good for us using the internet to discus scriptures.
    The internet can not close down on any day.

    Do they turnoff the power every sabath day? NO. SO THEY HAVE BROKEN THE LAW,FOR NOT EVEN YOUR OX IS TO DO ANY WORK ON A SABATH DAY. YOU HAVE BROKEN ALL THE LAW,EVERY SABATH.

    God does not put unnecessary burdens on our shoulders.
    Scribes and pharisees do that ,but they themselves wont lift up a finger.
    *****************
    The number of the beast can never be spiritual,because that would only cover the christian world.they have never thought about that.

    What about the muslems,jews,hindus,krishnas,bahas,shaman witch doctors, atheist, luciferians,satan worshippers.
    That sunday mark wont work for them will it?
    It does not work,because its not true.

    wakeup.

    #331317
    2besee
    Participant

    Wakeup,

    You do not understand anything that you read (And I know why), I have seen it before.

    WHO MENTIONED SUNDAY?

    The TEN Commandments Wakeup.

    LOVE of God and LOVE of Neighbor – and all of God's ten commandments written on our heart and in our minds.

    #331318
    2besee
    Participant

    The man of sin will take his seat in your temple – in every-bodies temple, their body.

    #331324
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 05 2013,08:44)
    2Besee.

    To obey God because of the law written in stone is of no great value to God;but to obey the law because of the love for God is of greater value.

    We follow the law because we love God and his son with all our heart. The law is for man,not man for the law.

    It is good to do good work on a sabath day.
    It is sin to do bad on any day.

    It is good to work on a sabath to feed the family. But not for greed.

    It is good to work on a sabath, to keep the nation supplied with electricity,or your fridge will get warm and your food will get spoiled, or you will freeze in the cold.

    It is not sin for those girls working in the shops to earn their living,and to pay the rent.

    It is good for us using the internet to discus scriptures.
    The internet can not close down on any day.

    Do they turnoff the power every sabath day? NO. SO THEY HAVE BROKEN THE LAW,FOR NOT EVEN YOUR OX IS TO DO ANY WORK ON A SABATH DAY. YOU HAVE BROKEN ALL THE LAW,EVERY SABATH.

    God does not put unnecessary burdens on our shoulders.
    Scribes and pharisees do that ,but they themselves wont lift up a finger.
                  *****************
    The number of the beast can never be spiritual,because that would only cover the christian world.they have never thought about that.

    What about the muslems,jews,hindus,krishnas,bahas,shaman witch doctors, atheist, luciferians,satan worshippers.
    That sunday mark wont work for them will it?
    It does not work,because its not true.
         
    wakeup.


    Everybody gets at least one day off per week; WAKEUP!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #331327
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Feb. 05 2013,08:09)

    Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 05 2013,04:37)

    Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 04 2013,22:26)

    EVEN THOUGH YOU CLAIM TO NOT BE SDA YOU DEFEND THEM AND THEREFORE YOU ARE GUILTY WITH THEM.

    Quote
    What do they teach, Journey?The Ten commandments of God.

    What did Jesus say regarding this?
    Read this carefully,

    'Whoever sets aside one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom from heaven.

    But whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom from heaven

    Christ says before this verse
    Matthew 5:17  Think not that I come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

    Christ was UNDER THE LAW during his time here.  He obeyed the law perfectly.  The law was in effect UNTIL Christ died.

     This was the fulfillment of the law, his death.  Everything prophesied about him was finally fulfilled at his death.

    Isaiah 53:7   He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

    Isaiah 53:8   He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cutt off out of the land of the living: for the trangression of my people was he stricken.

    Isaiah 53:9   He made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
    Isaiah 53:10   Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

    Isaiah 53:11   He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
    Isaiah 53:12   Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; beccause he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the trangressors, and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.[/color]

    Matthew 5:17   For verily, I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in NO WISE pass from the LAW, ….TILL…ALL BE FULFILLED.

    All that was prophesied concerning him.  He poured out his soul unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors, he bared the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.  NOW THE LAW IS FULFILLED.  ALL THE ABOVE VERSES PROPHESIED CONCERNING CHRIST WAS FULFILLED AT HIS DEATH.  END OF OLD LAW.

    Yeah yeah heard it all before.

    That is the man of sin speaking, read in context.

    Til Heaven and Earth pass away Journey. Heaven and Earth have not passed away.


    2Besee.

    Cant you understand that the heaven and earth thing is just a saying?

    Have you read my reply to you regarding the law?

    wakeup.

    #331330
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2013,09:36)
    Hi Wakeup,

    Everybody gets at least one day off per week; WAKEUP!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    “The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:” (Mark 2:27)

    #331335
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Feb. 05 2013,08:48)
    Wakeup,

    You do not understand anything that you read (And I know why), I have seen it before.

    WHO MENTIONED SUNDAY?

    The TEN Commandments Wakeup.

    LOVE of God and LOVE of Neighbor – and all of God's ten commandments written on our heart and in our minds.


    2Besee.

    You should know better regarding the spiritual mark.
    Dont they call it the sunday mark or was I wrong?

    If you do believe that the law is to be followed as it was with the jews,then you have broken every bit of it every week.
    Because you are using electricity,water,internet,cooking gas,walking with your dog in the park,and letting him fetch a stick. and you name it.

    Dont turn yourself into a hypocrite,like the jews.

    wakeup.

    #331341
    2besee
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 05 2013,11:43)
    Cant you understand that the heaven and earth thing is just a saying?

    It is not just a saying.
    Heaven and earth will pass away.
    Knowledge will pass away.
    There will be a new heavens and a new earth.

    Heaven and earth has not passed away yet.

    Quote
    It is good for us using the internet to discus scriptures.
    The internet can not close down on any day.

    If you go on the Internet seven days a week, it will kill you.

    The sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath, and Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath.

    It was only a fruit.
    It was disobedience to God's command, that caused man to die.

    #331346
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Feb. 05 2013,05:14)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 05 2013,11:43)
    Cant you understand that the heaven and earth thing is just a saying?

    It is not just a saying.
    Heaven and earth will pass away.
    Knowledge will pass away.
    There will be a new heavens and a new earth.

    Heaven and earth has not passed away yet.

    Quote
    It is good for us using the internet to discus scriptures.
    The internet can not close down on any day.

    If you go on the Internet seven days a week, it will kill you.

    The sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath, and Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath.

    It was only a fruit.
    It was disobedience to God's command, that caused man to die.


    2bee

    good respond ,like it :)

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