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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 03 2013,19:43) Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 03 2013,19:41) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 03 2013,19:05) Please do answer your own question then… HOW are the 10 commandments APPLIED NOW?
Romans
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Ed, the law has been changed.
That is why a new Priest was needed.
Can you please answer your question now?HOW are the 10 commandments APPLIED NOW?
Hi Ed,I'm just going to cut to the chase, I'm just wasting my time trying to show it in scriptures.
Your question is MOOT.
Because WE GENTILES were NEVER UNDER THE OLD COVENANT Ed!The 10 commandments were PART of the OLD LAW Ed.
We GENTILES were only ever given the NEW COVENANT!!
Ed, do you agree that God only made His first covenant with ONE nation on earth…the nation of Israel?
Y/N?
Hi Devolution,
Do you believe God puts it into our heart to follow his 10 commandments? “Yes” or “No”? <– please answer
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Devolution,
The new covenant merely remediated the old; you do know that, right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 04 2013,00:26) Hi Devolution, The new covenant merely remediated the old; you do know that, right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.Moses came down the mountain with the same commandments on new tablets.
Jesus came with his commandments written in our hearts. We still can not murder or steal,and also feed on strange flesh,and you are guilty of that.So you have broken all the commandments.
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 03 2013,23:49) Hi Devolution, So you agree then, that God puts it into our heart, to follow his 10 commandments; right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,Your question is not accurate, & slipping in the 10 commandments in your question BTW was sneaky…tsk tsk.
Romans 2:12 >For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Romans 2:13 >(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:14 >For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15 >Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;
Ed, these HAVE NOT THE LAW.
So they cannot have the 10 commandments written in their hearts as you sneakily put it.Instead, they naturally do things CONTAINED in the law!!
CONTAINED…IN…IN…IN THE LAW.There is no covenant with these, so again, you can not say “the 10 commandments”…but they naturally know right from wrong is all.
God did this to provide them with a personal judge…THEMSELVES…THEIR CONSCIENCES…They will be judged by their consciences, not by the 10 commandments.
But by every transgression weighed up according to their WORKS.
That then puts this group into the SECOND RESURRECTION group…the final judgment by WORKS.Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,00:53) EdJ. We still can not murder or steal,and also feed on strange flesh,and you are guilty of that.
So you have broken all the commandments.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,WHAT are you talking about?
You do know bearing false witness is a sin, right?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Devolution @ Feb. 04 2013,01:06) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 03 2013,23:49) Hi Devolution, So you agree then, that God puts it into our heart, to follow his 10 commandments; right?
God bless
Ed J
Hi Ed,Your question is not accurate
Hi Devolution,Is your answer “No” then?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 04 2013,00:26) Hi Devolution, The new covenant merely remediated the old; you do know that, right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,No, not correcting a fault (yes I had to look up remediate), but to COMPLETE what was only PARTIAL.
Look how Jesus completed some old law examples…there were no faults, but purposely built in GAPS:
Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
**See how just these examples of old law APPLICATION have CHANGED?
They are now COMPLETE.They were never faulty, but were given by the letter of the law, other words, black & white…a beaurocratic law…”do this, and this happens”, no INFORMATION as to WHY its bad…that my friend, is SUPPOSED TO BE NATURALLY UNDERSTOOD.
That's how the Jews failed under the old law, they tried to obtain by their OWN WORKS, their own righteousness…and not by FAITH…they disregarded real inner change for outward works…
They FOLLOWED the law but did not LIVE IT.Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 04 2013,01:37) remediate: set straight or right; “remedy the deficiencies”
“[The LORD JEHOVAH] is well pleased for his righteousness' sake;
he(Jesus) will magnify the law, and make it honorable.” (Isa 42:21)“For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, when
I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I
took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they
continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the LORD.For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,
saith the LORD;I will put my laws(10 Commandments) into their mind, and write them
in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:” (Heb 8:8-10)look at this ;
EX 20:6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
LEV 22:31 “ So you shall keep My commandments, and do them; I am the LORD.
LEV 26:3 ‘ If you walk in My statutes and keep My commandments so as to carry them outLEV 26:15 if, instead, you reject My statutes, and if your soul abhors My ordinances so as not to carry out all My commandments, and so break My covenant,
NU 15:40 so that you may remember to do all My commandments and be holy to your God.
DT 4:2 “ You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
DT 5:29 ‘ Oh that they had such a heart in them, that they would fear Me and keep all My commandments always, that it may be well with them and with their sons forever
DT 11:13 “It shall come about, if you listen obediently to my commandments which I am commanding you today, to love the LORD your God and to serve Him with all your heart and all your soul,
DT 11:27 the blessing, if you listen to the commandments of the LORD your God, which I am commanding you today;
DT 11:28 and the curse, if you do not listen to the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside from the way which I am commanding you today, by following other gods which you have not known.DT 13:18 if you will listen to the voice of the LORD your God, keeping all His commandments which I am commanding you today, and doing what is right in the sight of the LORD your God.
JN 14:15 “ If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
JN 14:21 “ He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me
Mt 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Mt 22:37 Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
Mt 22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
Mt 22:39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
Mt 22:40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”Now please tell me according to those scriptures or any other that you may find WHAT IS CHANGED
FROM MOSES TO CHRIST AND FROM CHRIST TO US IN BOTH CASES IF WE FALLOW THE FIRST COMMANDMENT IT WOULD ACCOMPLISH ALL THE OTHERS ,THE SABBATH BEING THE TIME THAT ONE SPEND FOR GOD ,THIS IS THE ONLY CHANGE THAT I KNOW OF THAT HIS CHANGED ,BECAUSE BEFORE CHRIST IT WAS ONLY ONE DAY ,FROM CHRIST ON IT IS ALL SEVEN DAY THAT WE HAVE TO SERVE GOD,
NOW IF WE BECOME HOLY AS GOD HIS THEN “” ARE WE UNDER THE LAW “”
NO ,BECAUSE NONE OF THE LAW ARE BROKEN SO NO JUDGEMENT HIS GIVEN ON THE RIGHTEOUS, BUT BEING SEALLED AS APPROVEDDevo, Journey and Wakeup,
You seem to be inconsistant in what you are saying.
One minute you are saying that the law (the ten commandments) are finished, or only applicable to Israel, and not to Christians. and then you are saying that they are not finished.Yet Wakeup said a while back:
Quote WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW,BUT UNDER A NEW COVENANT. THE LAW WAS CRUCIFIED AND BURIED WITH JESUS. https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….56;st=7
Anyway,
It seems that you each say that there will be a new kingdom temporarily set up in the earthly Israel, and that people will still die and be born in this system and that there will be some inside this kingdom in Israel and others (sinners?) who are outside this Country. And that after this temporary kingdom soon to come, THEN will come the Heavenly Jerusalem.
(correct me if I am wrong).
But NT does not say that, Jesus did not say that, Peter did not say that, etc.
2 Corinthians 5:1
For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
And as for revelations, no prophecy in scripture is a matter of ones own interpretation.
We are also told to watch that WE do not deceive others.
The original Greek:
'What is the sign of your coming, and the completion of the age?
And having answered, Jesus said to them, take heed, lest anyone you mislead,
Many indeed will come in the name of me, saying, I am the Christ; and many they will mislead.http://biblos.com/matthew/24-4.htm
I read somewhere here that you say that it is a sin to ignore your interpretation of prophecy.
but Jesus warned us: especially regarding the end days to “beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are savage wolves.”
and that “Many false prophets will appear and deceive many people, and because lawlessness will increase, the love of many people will grow cold. But the person who endures to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”
…And 2nd Peter 3 (the entire chapter) sums up the whole matter of Christs return. It is the END, just as Jesus said would happen.
Hi J42:
I have read what you had to say using scriptures from Micah, Ezekiel, and Zephaniah. At this point, after reading through, I cannot agree with your interpretation, but it is really too much to absorb at one sitting, and I will have to study the scriptures asking God for understanding. Frankly, I have not spent too much time studying the book of Zephaniah.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (2besee @ Feb. 04 2013,09:40) Devo, Journey and Wakeup,
You seem to be inconsistant in what you are saying.
One minute you are saying that the law (the ten commandments) are finished, or only applicable to Israel, and not to Christians. and then you are saying that they are not finished.Yet Wakeup said a while back:
Quote WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW,BUT UNDER A NEW COVENANT. THE LAW WAS CRUCIFIED AND BURIED WITH JESUS. https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….56;st=7
Anyway,
It seems that you each say that there will be a new kingdom temporarily set up in the earthly Israel, and that people will still die and be born in this system and that there will be some inside this kingdom in Israel and others (sinners?) who are outside this Country. And that after this temporary kingdom soon to come, THEN will come the Heavenly Jerusalem.
(correct me if I am wrong).
But NT does not say that, Jesus did not say that, Peter did not say that, etc.
2 Corinthians 5:1
For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
And as for revelations, no prophecy in scripture is a matter of ones own interpretation.
We are also told to watch that WE do not deceive others.
The original Greek:
'What is the sign of your coming, and the completion of the age?
And having answered, Jesus said to them, take heed, lest anyone you mislead,
Many indeed will come in the name of me, saying, I am the Christ; and many they will mislead.http://biblos.com/matthew/24-4.htm
I read somewhere here that you say that it is a sin to ignore your interpretation of prophecy.
but Jesus warned us: especially regarding the end days to “beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are savage wolves.”
and that “Many false prophets will appear and deceive many people, and because lawlessness will increase, the love of many people will grow cold. But the person who endures to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”
2Besee.If you Think your interpretation and others are correct;
then why can you guys not fill in the holes.
Why are you avoiding my questions?Isaiah11:6–11. 65:17–25. Zech. 8:3–8.
You can not fit them in your doctrine,and therefore it is faulty,like a broken pot that can not hold any water.wakeup.
Wakeup,
You add things to Revelation that are not there. There is a warning about doing that.
And then you say that other views are full of holes.
So what about your view?Let's take a look.
As the man said, quote:Your position says that only in the 20th chapter of the book of revelation does it allow for the time period for the unfulfilled prophecies of a golden age as foretold by the old testament prophets to be fulfilled.
In other words, your position says that we only have a revelation 20 to get all these prophecies fulfilled in, and we object to you and your position because your position doesn't allow for all these prophecies to be fulfilled. And thus the only place left to fit all these in is in Revelation 20.
But there are glaring omissions occurring in the 20th chapter of the book of revelation which many people assume will be there.
For example,
Omission number one, that is not found: Jerusalem and Palestine are not mentioned in the chapter.
And yet multitudes of people just assume that Jerusalem and Palestine are found in the 20th chapter of Revelation.
No mention.
Omission number two: The Jews are not mentioned.
Neither is anything said about their restoration to the land.
Their conversion, or any of their activities – none of that is found in the 20th chapter.Omission number three: An earthly throne is not found in this chapter.
Where is it?
It's not there.
There are thrones in heaven that are mentioned on which martyrs are reigning with Christ, and the location of the great white throne is not given or identified.
Thrones in heaven, a great white throne of judgment, but no earthly throne is mentioned in the 20th chapter of Revelation.Wouldn't you think it should be there?
But it isn't.The 4th glaring omission that you assume is there or would have us believe is there: There's not a word about universal peace occurring in this chapter.
The 5th omission: There is no mention to abundant prosperity occurring in this chapter.
The 6th glaring omission: The productivity of the earth is not mentioned in this 20th chapter.
And the 7th omission: There is nothing about longevity of life in this chapter.
Now these are all statements that are found in the old testament prophecies.
So you say “This has all got to occur in the 20th chapter – this is not occurring now, it is not occurring in the eternal state of affairs, it's got to occur in Revelation 20.
But when we come to Revelation 20, all of these things are omitted.
I ask then if these omissions are not significant? Especially as we cannot find them taught by other new testament writers?
Where would we find any of these descriptions, we got to go back to the old testament. But no new testament writer gives us these reaffirmations.
Don't you think that's significant?
As one Amil says, quote:
“We are looking for a coming Lord, not a coming Millennium.
We are looking for an eternity with Christ in the new heaven and a new earth, where there will be no more tears, no more death, no more mourning, no more pain, for the first things will have passed away.We, like Abraham, are looking for a City that is built by a divine carpenter. Where there is no need for the sun or the moon to shine upon it for the glory of God shall shine and illuminate it and it's lamp shall be the Lamb, Revelation 21:1,4, and 23.
And he closes his paragraph with Hallelujah.
So the Amil says:
Please don't postpone my hope by having to stay here on earth for a thousand years when I'm promised I'd get to go right to heaven at the coming of Jesus Christ. Don't ask me to live with mortal people still in sinful bodies in a thousand year period on this present earth when the bible promises me I'll be removed from all sin, suffering, just let me go right on into glory and the eternal state.
That's why the man can say hallelujah.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,07:17) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 04 2013,09:40) Devo, Journey and Wakeup,
You seem to be inconsistant in what you are saying.
One minute you are saying that the law (the ten commandments) are finished, or only applicable to Israel, and not to Christians. and then you are saying that they are not finished.Yet Wakeup said a while back:
Quote WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW,BUT UNDER A NEW COVENANT. THE LAW WAS CRUCIFIED AND BURIED WITH JESUS. https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….56;st=7
Anyway,
It seems that you each say that there will be a new kingdom temporarily set up in the earthly Israel, and that people will still die and be born in this system and that there will be some inside this kingdom in Israel and others (sinners?) who are outside this Country. And that after this temporary kingdom soon to come, THEN will come the Heavenly Jerusalem.
(correct me if I am wrong).
But NT does not say that, Jesus did not say that, Peter did not say that, etc.
2 Corinthians 5:1
For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
And as for revelations, no prophecy in scripture is a matter of ones own interpretation.
We are also told to watch that WE do not deceive others.
The original Greek:
'What is the sign of your coming, and the completion of the age?
And having answered, Jesus said to them, take heed, lest anyone you mislead,
Many indeed will come in the name of me, saying, I am the Christ; and many they will mislead.http://biblos.com/matthew/24-4.htm
I read somewhere here that you say that it is a sin to ignore your interpretation of prophecy.
but Jesus warned us: especially regarding the end days to “beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are savage wolves.”
and that “Many false prophets will appear and deceive many people, and because lawlessness will increase, the love of many people will grow cold. But the person who endures to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”
2Besee.If you Think your interpretation and others are correct;
then why can you guys not fill in the holes.
Why are you avoiding my questions?Isaiah11:6–11. 65:17–25. Zech. 8:3–8.
You can not fit them in your doctrine,and therefore it is faulty,like a broken pot that can not hold any water.
wakeup.
Wup
Your question are so vague ,that does not matter what anyone says you will tell them that they are wrong,so what,s the point ,You do not risk to say it because we all would see how far of you will be from scriptures, next thing you do is open up another topic with the same ambition ,
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 04 2013,13:07) Wakeup, You add things to Revelation that are not there. There is a warning about doing that.
And then you say that other views are full of holes.
So what about your view?Let's take a look.
As the man said, quote:Your position says that only in the 20th chapter of the book of revelation does it allow for the time period for the unfulfilled prophecies of a golden age as foretold by the old testament prophets to be fulfilled.
In other words, your position says that we only have a revelation 20 to get all these prophecies fulfilled in, and we object to you and your position because your position doesn't allow for all these prophecies to be fulfilled. And thus the only place left to fit all these in is in Revelation 20.
But there are glaring omissions occurring in the 20th chapter of the book of revelation which many people assume will be there.
For example,
Omission number one, that is not found: Jerusalem and Palestine are not mentioned in the chapter.
And yet multitudes of people just assume that Jerusalem and Palestine are found in the 20th chapter of Revelation.
No mention.
Omission number two: The Jews are not mentioned.
Neither is anything said about their restoration to the land.
Their conversion, or any of their activities – none of that is found in the 20th chapter.Omission number three: An earthly throne is not found in this chapter.
Where is it?
It's not there.
There are thrones in heaven that are mentioned on which martyrs are reigning with Christ, and the location of the great white throne is not given or identified.
Thrones in heaven, a great white throne of judgment, but no earthly throne is mentioned in the 20th chapter of Revelation.Wouldn't you think it should be there?
But it isn't.The 4th glaring omission that you assume is there or would have us believe is there: There's not a word about universal peace occurring in this chapter.
The 5th omission: There is no mention to abundant prosperity occurring in this chapter.
The 6th glaring omission: The productivity of the earth is not mentioned in this 20th chapter.
And the 7th omission: There is nothing about longevity of life in this chapter.
Now these are all statements that are found in the old testament prophecies.
So you say “This has all got to occur in the 20th chapter – this is not occurring now, it is not occurring in the eternal state of affairs, it's got to occur in Revelation 20.
But when we come to Revelation 20, all of these things are omitted.
I ask then if these omissions are not significant? Especially as we cannot find them taught by other new testament writers?
Where would we find any of these descriptions, we got to go back to the old testament. But no new testament writer gives us these reaffirmations.
Don't you think that's significant?
As one Amil says, quote:
“We are looking for a coming Lord, not a coming Millennium.
We are looking for an eternity with Christ in the new heaven and a new earth, where there will be no more tears, no more death, no more mourning, no more pain, for the first things will have passed away.We, like Abraham, are looking for a City that is built by a divine carpenter. Where there is no need for the sun or the moon to shine upon it for the glory of God shall shine and illuminate it and it's lamp shall be the Lamb, Revelation 21:1,4, and 23.
And he closes his paragraph with Hallelujah.
So the Amil says:
Please don't postpone my hope by having to stay here on earth for a thousand years when I'm promised I'd get to go right to heaven at the coming of Jesus Christ. Don't ask me to live with mortal people still in sinful bodies in a thousand year period on this present earth when the bible promises me I'll be removed from all sin, suffering, just let me go right on into glory and the eternal state.
That's why the man can say hallelujah.
2Besee.That is because they have never fed themselves with the old prophesies.
To them they are old and past their expiry date.That is why.
The bible is 75% prophesies, and you have not gone there.wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 04 2013,09:40) Devo, Journey and Wakeup,
You seem to be inconsistant in what you are saying.
One minute you are saying that the law (the ten commandments) are finished, or only applicable to Israel, and not to Christians. and then you are saying that they are not finished.Yet Wakeup said a while back:
Quote WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW,BUT UNDER A NEW COVENANT. THE LAW WAS CRUCIFIED AND BURIED WITH JESUS. https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….56;st=7
Anyway,
It seems that you each say that there will be a new kingdom temporarily set up in the earthly Israel, and that people will still die and be born in this system and that there will be some inside this kingdom in Israel and others (sinners?) who are outside this Country. And that after this temporary kingdom soon to come, THEN will come the Heavenly Jerusalem.
(correct me if I am wrong).
But NT does not say that, Jesus did not say that, Peter did not say that, etc.
2 Corinthians 5:1
For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
And as for revelations, no prophecy in scripture is a matter of ones own interpretation.
We are also told to watch that WE do not deceive others.
The original Greek:
'What is the sign of your coming, and the completion of the age?
And having answered, Jesus said to them, take heed, lest anyone you mislead,
Many indeed will come in the name of me, saying, I am the Christ; and many they will mislead.http://biblos.com/matthew/24-4.htm
I read somewhere here that you say that it is a sin to ignore your interpretation of prophecy.
but Jesus warned us: especially regarding the end days to “beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are savage wolves.”
and that “Many false prophets will appear and deceive many people, and because lawlessness will increase, the love of many people will grow cold. But the person who endures to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”
2BesseThe law was made with Israel. Not with the gentiles.
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Us = ISRAEL
The Israelites could not even keep the commandments of the law, and the curse of the law was NEVER put on the gentiles shoulders. THE LAW WAS BETWEEN GOD AND ISRAEL ONLY. The law if finished, gone, gone, gone, gone.
The commandments are in the new testatment. We concentrate on those. They cover EVERYTHING.
I know why you bring this up.
Because your SDA brothers have told you that you must observe the sabbath. This is why they think they are more holy, because they observe the sabbath. They think THEY are the true church, and there is no-one else besides them. THEY EMERGED FROM NEW YORK OF ALL PLACES. CAME STRAIGHT OUT OF BABYLON. THEY HAVE THEIR NUMBERS AND THEIR WEALTH. …..WEALTH IS POWER IN THIS WORLD. THEY HAVE THE MONEY TO PRODUCE GLOSSY ARTICLES, AND ARE INVOLVED IN BUSINESS. THEY ARE TIED IN WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND ARE THEREFORE OF BABYLON. YOU HAVE TO DO SOME INVESTIGATING FOR YOURSELF 2BESSE, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU CLAIM TO NOT BE SDA YOU DEFEND THEM AND THEREFORE YOU ARE GUILTY WITH THEM. INVESTIGATE 2BESSE, DO SOME SEARCHING. LOOK INTO THINGS. SAVE YOUR SOUL BECAUSE THEY WILL LEAD YOU TO A SPIRITUAL DEATH IN THE END, WHEN THE MARK COMES. ALL WILL BE FOR NOTHING. ALL THIS ARGUING, DEBATING, ALL THIS SCRIPTURE, ALL YOUR SABBATHS WILL BE FOR NOUGHT. ALL YOU WILL HAVE LEFT IS YOUR BITTERNESS THAT YOU HOLD ON TO WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE PLAGUES FOR RECEIVING THE MARK. THIS IS WHEN MANY WILL SAY LORD LORD, DIDN'T WE HEAL IN YOUR NAME, DIDN'T WE DO THIS OR THAT IN YOUR NAME?
THIS IS WHEN THEY WILL ALL SAY THIS. WHEN THEY ARE ENDURING THE SEVEN TRUMPETS BECAUSE THEIR LEADERS TOLD THEM TO TAKE THE MARK.Tell me truthfully, did Christ ever clearly instruct us to observe the sabbath? Something so important, did he mention it amongst everything else he covered?
Your SDA brothers have put burdens on men too hard to bear. They do not realise that we worship EVERYDAY NOW, and keep EVERYDAY HOLY.
THE SDA CANNOT EVEN KEEP THE SABBATH THEMSELVES WITHOUT BREAKING IT. SO IF THEY PREFER TO BE UNDER THE CURSE OF THE LAW, THEN THEY WILL BE JUDGED BY IT. AND IF THEY BREAK ONE LAW, THEY BRAKE THE WHOLE LOT.
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