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Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,18:52) Devolution,Feb. wrote:[/quote]
Devolution,So, your answer is that the ten commandments are 'done away with'?
Really?
Hi 2besee,Rom.13:9-10 For the commandments, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet, and if there are any other commandments, are all summed up in this saying, namely, You shall Love your neighbor as Yourself. Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore Love is the fulfillment of the Law.
Peace brother.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 03 2013,10:31) Devo, If you look at another mans wife with lustful intent, or even speak to another mans wife on the Internet or by phone with lustful intent, have you committed sin?
Yes or no.
2BEi would rather believe that you have not reach maturity in Christ ;
1CO 15:34 Become sober-minded as you ought, and stop sinning; for some have no knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.
2Co 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
RO 6:12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
AC 13:39 and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.
AC 15:5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.”
AC 18:13 saying, “This man persuades men to worship God contrary to the law.”AC 21:20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law
AC 24:14 “But this I admit to you, that according to the Way (Christian)which they call a sect I do serve the God of our fathers, believing everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets;
RO 2:20 a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of the immature, having in the Law the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth,
RO 2:23 You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God?
RO 2:25 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
RO 2:26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision?RO 3:19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;
RO 3:20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.RO 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
RO 3:31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.RO 4:13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith
RO 4:15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.
RO 4:16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
RO 5:13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
RO 5:20 The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,true faith is righteousness and so does not sin any more and sins live is given through THE GRACE OF GOD there is no law and because we a declared righteous and so not sin ,are we now still under the law ,
THE LAW STAND S FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNRIGHTEOUS THE SINNERS
Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 02 2013,02:57) 2besee,Feb. wrote:[/quote]
2besee,Quote ..it seems that according to you three, No according to the scriptures.
Quote every single person who has ever come to know God in times past and today were not in truth at all Listen to what is being said.
They just did not have the WHOLE TRUTH for various reasons.
How much truth each had when they died still needs perfecting when they will be resurrected.
Because Satan changed himself into an angel of light and his devils into ministers of righteousness and oppressed the truth by corrupting it in the hearts of many many believers…this corruption started in the days of Paul.Quote and will need to be retaught Yes. You even posted the evidence in the scriptures you gave without even realising what you were posting.
Quote by (you?) We hope to be worthy, we do not assume we are, we are expecting to have to die when the mark comes.
Quote sometime future despite there being seen before the throne of God a number too numerous to count from out of every tribe, tongue, nation and people. Each man in his own order 2besee.
That group above WILL be resurrected as Spirit and help teach the restored flesh Jews in the soon to come RESTORED kingdom.
We only point out that the 144k are TAKEN UP TO CHRIST FIRST…then soon after all the dead IN CHRIST will join them with Christ in His kingdom.
See? We never said the 144k are the ONLY ONES!
But the FIRST.
Hi Devolution,Rom.8:22-23 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. And not only they, but we also who HAVE the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for the Redemption of our body.
1Cor15:20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the FIRSTFRUITS of those who have fallen asleep.
Heb.11:39-12:1 And all these, ( Holy Ones ) having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the Promise, God having provided something better for us. Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of WITNESSES, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us
Rev.14:4 These ( 144,000 ) are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb WHEREVER HE GOES. These were redeemed from among men, being FIRSTFRUITS to God and to the Lamb.
Rom.8:23 We have the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit.
Peace brother….
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 03 2013,13:52) Devolution,Feb. wrote:[/quote]
Devolution,So, your answer is that the ten commandments are 'done away with'?
Really?
2besee,The commandments are still APPLIED in our hearts, they are living commandments now, not by the letter.
What Christian steals?
Or commits adultery or murders?
Of course we don't do these things.But if for some unknown reason you go to a shop and something overcomes you and you steal something, and later on you regret it and repent, you can be forgiven.
Under the old law, even if you regretted, TOO BAD…NO MERCY…YOU ARE GUILTY OF BREAKING EVERY COMMANDMENT NOW…understand?
Two covenants with two different APPLICATIONS of laws.
This is what I am trying to tell you…fulfilled does not mean abolished in this situation, but applied in a new manner.
Quote (abe @ Feb. 03 2013,17:50) Hi 2besee, Rom.13:9-10 For the commandments, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet, and if there are any other commandments, are all summed up in this saying, namely, You shall Love your neighbor as Yourself. Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore Love is the fulfillment of the Law.
Peace brother.
Hi Abe,
Yes. Good verse.
And they are written on our heart.
But knowledge grows over time.
We make mistakes and we learn,
Eventually, we love God's law.I like the way that brother Gene summed it up.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 24 2013,05:06) Maybe this will help. Many teach the Law has been done away with , they believe what Paul siaid did away with it.
Paul said By Works of the Law shall no flesh be Justified before God. This seems on the surface to say we do not need to keep the commandments. But what was Paul really meaning by the expresion, “WORKS” of the Law.
He simply was saying the WAY LAW WORKS, so lets examine how LAW “WORKS”. The word LAW implies FORCED application it also requires an enforcement method . Take our Driving Laws for instance. We all know the intent of those laws are for safty right, But without enforcement would people obey them? Some maybe but most would not, lets say you were driving in a 50 mph zone but wanted to go 60 mph, if the laws were not enforced, you could go any speed you choose to. But you knowing they are “Enforce” will keep your speed down especially when you see the enforcer present.
Well the Laws of God work the same way, When God turned his Ten Commandments into LAWS it required enforcement. Remember what Moses said to the People when the “LAW” became in effect, “for the LORD Your GOD has done this that the “FEAR” of Him be before you Face, that you Sin not”.
Another words “FEAR” became the motivating Factor so they would not Sin. But what Paul was bring out was Fear Producing “WORKS” of LAW , which came about by “FORCED COMPLIANCE” could never make there Hearts right in a Million years even if they keep those Law through the Way Law “WORKS”. By “FORCED COMPLIANCE”
So what does God say about this, A day would come when I shall take out of them the “STONY HEART” and give them a “HEART OF FLESH” (soft heart) and I (GOD) will write my Law in there “INWARD PARTS, and I will be their God and they shall be my people
So you see It never was a question if we should or shouldn't keep God Commandment , but the Question is “HOW” we “KEEP” them. is it by the effectual working of God's spirit causing us to love one another or is it by the WORKS of LAW (forced compliance)? IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene
Quote (abe @ Feb. 03 2013,15:50) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,18:52) Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 03 2013,15:46)
Devolution,So, your answer is that the ten commandments are 'done away with'?
Really?
Hi 2besee,Rom.13:9-10 For the commandments, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet, and if there are any other commandments, are all summed up in this saying, namely, You shall Love your neighbor as Yourself. Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore Love is the fulfillment of the Law.
Peace brother.
Well answered Abe,See 2besee….the laws are APPLIED differently now…not by the letter like the old, where washings and blood were offered for atonement, but by LIVING IT in the manner He who entered behind the veil did.
And the result of living it is love & peace.
Isaiah 1:10 >Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
11 >To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
12 >When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13 >Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14 >Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15 >And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
16 >Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 >Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
What is God telling them?
He is telling them the same thing Christ spoke…don't just follow it, cleaning the outside of the cup…but LIVE IT…by cleaning the inside also.Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 03 2013,19:28) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 03 2013,13:52) Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 03 2013,15:46)
Devolution,So, your answer is that the ten commandments are 'done away with'?
Really?
2besee,The commandments are still APPLIED in our hearts, they are living commandments now, not by the letter.
What Christian steals?
Or commits adultery or murders?
Of course we don't do these things.But if for some unknown reason you go to a shop and something overcomes you and you steal something, and later on you regret it and repent, you can be forgiven.
Under the old law, even if you regretted, TOO BAD…NO MERCY…YOU ARE GUILTY OF BREAKING EVERY COMMANDMENT NOW…understand?
Two covenants with two different APPLICATIONS of laws.
This is what I am trying to tell you…fulfilled does not mean abolished in this situation, but applied in a new manner.
Devolution, you are being inconsistent in what you are writing.
And you are also lashing out in an angry way as I have seen before with all three of you, even though I am only trying to help.
This is what you said a few hours ago…
Quote Quote
So, do you or don't you believe that the ten commandments of God are still in place and are still to be obeyed?You make it sound like my answer would just be an opinion.
Have you ever read the New Testament?
If you have you should realise that the 10 commandments AS THEY WERE are no longer APPLIED as they once were.What does that tell you?
Don't you know that there is NO MERCY under the old law?
BREAK JUST ONE LAW AND YOU ARE GUILTY OF THEM ALL.Don't you like Christs new rendering of the old laws?
Don't you know the 10 commandments were ONLY FOR THE JEWS.
They were part of GODS COVENANT to…to…to…ISRAEL!!ISRAEL ONLY
Not Amsterdam, not Australia, not Canada, not America and certainly not CHRISTIANS.
Tell you what, go read acts ch 15 for starters and you will find out what commandments were given to non Jews…and there AIN'T 10 of em I'm telling you now.
Then read the gospels and see how Christ “broke” the Sabbath and what He said about it and HOW to keep it.
And you will find the SDA are contradicting Christs INSTRUCTIONS.
WOE TO THEM.There is no way I will willingly or otherwise put myself under that bondage that not even the Jews were able to bear!!
Why would I want to TRAMPLE over Christs sacrifice and place myself under bondage to the flesh?
Don't you realise that the Old Law, with its commandments and statutes are SUBJECT TO THE FLESH?
Hello!!If the SDA choose to do so, then that is their GRAVE MISTAKE…and many are sick and dying because of their twisted sneaky readings.
WOE to those blind guides.It seemed to me that you were saying that the ten commandments are only for Israel, and not anybody else.
Now you are saying something different?
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 03 2013,17:31) Devo, If you look at another mans wife with lustful intent, or even speak to another mans wife on the Internet or by phone with lustful intent, have you committed sin?
Yes or no.
Devo, and could you answer this?It is a yes or no question.
Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 03 2013,13:46) Quote So, do you or don't you believe that the ten commandments of God are still in place and are still to be obeyed? (1) You make it sound like my answer would just be an opinion.
Have you ever read the New Testament?
If you have you should realise that the 10 commandments AS THEY WERE are no longer APPLIED as they once were.What does that tell you?
Don't you know that there is NO MERCY under the old law?
BREAK JUST ONE LAW AND YOU ARE GUILTY OF THEM ALL.Don't you like Christs new rendering of the old laws?
(2) Don't you know the 10 commandments were ONLY FOR THE JEWS.
Hi Devolution,1) Who's 'opinion' then, if not yours?
2) NOT so Devo! Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him
that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Feb. 03 2013,15:31) Devo, If you look at another mans wife with lustful intent, or even speak to another mans wife on the Internet or by phone with lustful intent, have you committed sin?
Yes or no.
Hi 2Besee,You have to be actively be planning to follow through on an infidelity,
a casual thought does not cross 'the proverbial line' of right and wrong.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Devolution @ Feb. 03 2013,17:54) Quote (abe @ Feb. 03 2013,15:50) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,18:52) Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 03 2013,15:46)
Devolution,So, your answer is that the ten commandments are 'done away with'?
Really?
Hi 2besee,Rom.13:9-10 For the commandments, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet, and if there are any other commandments, are all summed up in this saying, namely, You shall Love your neighbor as Yourself. Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore Love is the fulfillment of the Law.
Peace brother.
Well answered Abe,See 2besee….the laws are APPLIED differently now…not by the letter like the old, where washings and blood were offered for atonement, but by LIVING IT in the manner He who entered behind the veil did.
And the result of living it is love & peace.
Isaiah 1:10 >Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
11 >To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
12 >When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13 >Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14 >Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15 >And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
16 >Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 >Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
What is God telling them?
He is telling them the same thing Christ spoke…don't just follow it, cleaning the outside of the cup…but LIVE IT…by cleaning the inside also.
Hi Devolution,Statutes contained in ordinances are what was done away with, as they
were ONLY a “shadow picture” (or a rehearsal) of Christ who was to come.The 10 commandments (called “The Law”) WERE NOT DONE AWAY WITH.
I gathered from your snap comment to me earlier (in this thread)
that you did understand this fact; WELL, DO YOU?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (abe @ Feb. 03 2013,17:07) Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 02 2013,02:57) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,18:43)
2besee,Quote ..it seems that according to you three, No according to the scriptures.
Quote every single person who has ever come to know God in times past and today were not in truth at all Listen to what is being said.
They just did not have the WHOLE TRUTH for various reasons.
How much truth each had when they died still needs perfecting when they will be resurrected.
Because Satan changed himself into an angel of light and his devils into ministers of righteousness and oppressed the truth by corrupting it in the hearts of many many believers…this corruption started in the days of Paul.Quote and will need to be retaught Yes. You even posted the evidence in the scriptures you gave without even realising what you were posting.
Quote by (you?) We hope to be worthy, we do not assume we are, we are expecting to have to die when the mark comes.
Quote sometime future despite there being seen before the throne of God a number too numerous to count from out of every tribe, tongue, nation and people. Each man in his own order 2besee.
That group above WILL be resurrected as Spirit and help teach the restored flesh Jews in the soon to come RESTORED kingdom.
We only point out that the 144k are TAKEN UP TO CHRIST FIRST…then soon after all the dead IN CHRIST will join them with Christ in His kingdom.
See? We never said the 144k are the ONLY ONES!
But the FIRST.
Hi Devolution,Rom.8:22-23 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. And not only they, but we also who HAVE the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for the Redemption of our body.
1Cor15:20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the FIRSTFRUITS of those who have fallen asleep.
Heb.11:39-12:1 And all these, ( Holy Ones ) having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the Promise, God having provided something better for us. Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of WITNESSES, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us
Rev.14:4 These ( 144,000 ) are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb WHEREVER HE GOES. These were redeemed from among men, being FIRSTFRUITS to God and to the Lamb.
Rom.8:23 We have the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit.
Peace brother….
Hi Abe,Quote Rom.8:22-23 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. And not only they, but we also who HAVE the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for the Redemption of our body. Yes, the living church as it was being set up by the Apostles were all recipients of the FIRSTFRUITS of the SPIRIT sent forth for the first time into the world in the hearts of men.
These were the FIRST GROUP of humans to RECEIVE the HOLY SPIRIT of the New Covenant.But these are not the FIRSTFRUITS spoken of in revelations.
Those of revelations are to be the FIRSTFRUITS of the HARVEST.James shows us that firstfruits has differing applications:
James 1:18 >Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
“Kind of firstfruits” means a similar version but not the same.
And as Romans above stated, FIRSTFRUITS OF THE SPIRIT, meaning first ones to produce fruit (change which brings forth works in our daily walk THROUGH the Spirit) for God.
Quote 1Cor15:20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the FIRSTFRUITS of those who have fallen asleep. Again, look at the application.
Not speaking of first to receive the Holy Spirit…
Not speaking of first to be gathered to Christ at the harvest…
But first to be risen from the dead into Spirit.
See how firstfruits vary in useage & meaning?Quote Rev.14:4 These ( 144,000 ) are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb WHEREVER HE GOES. These were redeemed from among men, being FIRSTFRUITS to God and to the Lamb. Again, application is primary.
The 144k get sealed & protected from the effects of the coming wrath of God because they follow the Lamb in truth, these were able to separate themselves from Babylon the great and were not corrupted by women (religious doctrines) but worship with a knowledge of Christ the other billions of Christians who were affected by women were not able to do…because they leave one foot in Babylon & one with Christ.
They still have a genuine love for Christ, but just weren't strong enough to take that next step the 144k did.
Thus they were doing what Israel did in times past, playing the harlot…but their love for Christ…that love will save them though they will suffer loss.Thanks brother.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 03 2013,20:20) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 03 2013,15:31) Devo, If you look at another mans wife with lustful intent, or even speak to another mans wife on the Internet or by phone with lustful intent, have you committed sin?
Yes or no.
Hi 2Besee,You have to be actively be planning to follow through on an infidelity,
a casual thought does not cross 'the proverbial line' of right and wrong.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgNo, Ed, even the thought or communication is a sin.
But, we have an advocate, and so we repent of the sin and we are forgiven BUT we do not continue on in the sin.Matthew 5:17-20
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Lust
Matthew 5:27-30“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.
Divorce
Matthew 5:31-32“It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
1John 2:1-6
My little children, I’m writing these things to you so that you might not sin. Yet if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus, the Messiah,a one who is righteous. It is he who is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world’s.
This is how we can be sure that we have come to know him: if we continually keep his commandments. The person who says, “I have come to know him,” but does not continually keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth has no place in that person. But whoever continually keeps his commandments is the kind of person in whom God’s love has truly been perfected. This is how we can be sure that we are in union with God: The one who says that he abides in him must live the same way he himself lived.
If you are in an adulterous relationship, it is not enough to confess your sins and then continue on with it. You have to STOP.
As Jesus said, even lusting after another man's wife is the same thing as actually doing it. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. as Jesus said.
Even marrying a divorced woman is a sin.The law became harder not easier, but we have an advocate, Jesus Christ. And in Him, we can stop sinning and we can be forgiven. But we must stop sinning.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 03 2013,18:49) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 03 2013,20:20) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 03 2013,15:31) Devo, If you look at another mans wife with lustful intent, or even speak to another mans wife on the Internet or by phone with lustful intent, have you committed sin?
Yes or no.
Hi 2Besee,You have to be actively be planning to follow through on an infidelity,
a casual thought does not cross 'the proverbial line' of right and wrong.God bless
Ed JNo, Ed
Yes 2Besee,“whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” (Matt 5:28)
Since you are appearing to be disagreeing with my definition of: 'to lust after her'
…why don't you tell us what you believe this phrase means?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 03 2013,18:34) Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 03 2013,17:54) Quote (abe @ Feb. 03 2013,15:50) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,18:52) Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 03 2013,15:46)
Devolution,So, your answer is that the ten commandments are 'done away with'?
Really?
Hi 2besee,Rom.13:9-10 For the commandments, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet, and if there are any other commandments, are all summed up in this saying, namely, You shall Love your neighbor as Yourself. Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore Love is the fulfillment of the Law.
Peace brother.
Well answered Abe,See 2besee….the laws are APPLIED differently now…not by the letter like the old, where washings and blood were offered for atonement, but by LIVING IT in the manner He who entered behind the veil did.
And the result of living it is love & peace.
Isaiah 1:10 >Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
11 >To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
12 >When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13 >Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14 >Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15 >And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
16 >Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 >Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
What is God telling them?
He is telling them the same thing Christ spoke…don't just follow it, cleaning the outside of the cup…but LIVE IT…by cleaning the inside also.
Hi Devolution,Statutes contained in ordinances are what was done away with, as they
were ONLY a “shadow picture” (or a rehearsal) of Christ who was to come.The 10 commandments (called “The Law”) WERE NOT DONE AWAY WITH.
I gathered from your snap comment to me earlier (in this thread)
that you did understand this fact; WELL, DO YOU?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed,The law is for the law breakers.
All sins can be forgiven men EXCEPT blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
What you should be asking is HOW are the 10 commandments APPLIED NOW opposed to HOW they were applied & executed under the old covenant.
Your question is not accurate.
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Devolution,So, your answer is that the ten commandments are 'done away with'?
Really?
2besee,The commandments are still APPLIED in our hearts, they are living commandments now, not by the letter.
What Christian steals?
Or commits adultery or murders?
Of course we don't do these things.But if for some unknown reason you go to a shop and something overcomes you and you steal something, and later on you regret it and repent, you can be forgiven.
Under the old law, even if you regretted, TOO BAD…NO MERCY…YOU ARE GUILTY OF BREAKING EVERY COMMANDMENT NOW…understand?
Two covenants with two different APPLICATIONS of laws.
This is what I am trying to tell you…fulfilled does not mean abolished in this situation, but applied in a new manner.
Devolution, you are being inconsistent in what you are writing.
And you are also lashing out in an angry way as I have seen before with all three of you, even though I am only trying to help.
This is what you said a few hours ago…
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So, do you or don't you believe that the ten commandments of God are still in place and are still to be obeyed?You make it sound like my answer would just be an opinion.
Have you ever read the New Testament?
If you have you should realise that the 10 commandments AS THEY WERE are no longer APPLIED as they once were.What does that tell you?
Don't you know that there is NO MERCY under the old law?
BREAK JUST ONE LAW AND YOU ARE GUILTY OF THEM ALL.Don't you like Christs new rendering of the old laws?
Don't you know the 10 commandments were ONLY FOR THE JEWS.
They were part of GODS COVENANT to…to…to…ISRAEL!!ISRAEL ONLY
Not Amsterdam, not Australia, not Canada, not America and certainly not CHRISTIANS.
Tell you what, go read acts ch 15 for starters and you will find out what commandments were given to non Jews…and there AIN'T 10 of em I'm telling you now.
Then read the gospels and see how Christ “broke” the Sabbath and what He said about it and HOW to keep it.
And you will find the SDA are contradicting Christs INSTRUCTIONS.
WOE TO THEM.There is no way I will willingly or otherwise put myself under that bondage that not even the Jews were able to bear!!
Why would I want to TRAMPLE over Christs sacrifice and place myself under bondage to the flesh?
Don't you realise that the Old Law, with its commandments and statutes are SUBJECT TO THE FLESH?
Hello!!If the SDA choose to do so, then that is their GRAVE MISTAKE…and many are sick and dying because of their twisted sneaky readings.
WOE to those blind guides.It seemed to me that you were saying that the ten commandments are only for Israel, and not anybody else.
Now you are saying something different?
Hi 2besee,No my meaning is the same, it is just that you are not hearing me.
Yes, the 10 commandments were ONLY FOR ISRAEL.
Only Jews kept that covenant in the world known as planet earth.
God made His COVENANT with no other nation…ONLY ISRAEL.Do you deny this Y/N?
But NOW…NOW that Old Covenant has been CHANGED, and it was SENT OUT into ALL The world for ALL MEN and it is called the NEW TESTAMENT…it is the PERFECTION & COMPLETION of the old law.
Because the old law is still in it, just applied differently because now the laws are COMPLETED.This is what was sent out into ALL NATIONS, Christs New Covenant.
The new covenant SUPERCEDED the old.
And I am saying that we do not MIX them together when APPLYING them for they are applied differently now…they come with MERCY and FORGIVENESS that the old law never provided.Hi 2Besse
If you are going to ask me questions, then I am going to give you my truthful honest opinions. I don't want want a full on debate about the SDA.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,19:02) Do you personally know any Adventists? Quote Yes, I have in the past. Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,19:02) Do you know that they obey Gods commandments and have the faith of Jesus and the spirit of prophecy? Quote No they don't have the spirit of prophecy. There are many errors. Quote Woe.
Careful.
First you say that they are of the occult, now this.
Their leaders are into the occult. The high up ones. They have staged the whole show and deceived the followers. They have not fed them Christ's flesh, but a different flesh. You should do some research yourself.
You have esteemed them very highly, and considering only God can see straight into the heart, we should observe this commandment from Christ.Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Proverbs 27:14 He that blesseth his friend with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, it shall be counted a curse to him.
You take it on yourself to judge them all righteous. That's not given to you to make this judgement You are not made perfect yet, and cannot see inside the hearts of the whole congregation. I have done this myself, and it is not right. We don't know what people do behind closed doors. We can only judge from the outside. That SDA person I knew, I thought he was wonderful, until it was exposed that he was having an affair behind his wife's back. But that is only one person. I cannot say they all do that, but a lesson nevertheless. I used to also sing my friends praises, thought my girlfriends were wonderful. Would tell everyone they were good people, but found out what they were doing behind closed doors.
And Christ didn't even like men to call him good? I can't figure that one out, but I understand, don't praise men, (Christ was still flesh then) but praise the almighty Father who Christ draws us to. We know that he is true, and we know now that Christ is now raised perfect, and the Father has told us to give him glory. Christ past the test all the way till the end. Didn't want praise before he accomplished what he had to do. Same with us. Win the race first then get the prize.
I am sure there are a lot of SDA people who are genuine, and have good hearts, but they are taught error when it comes to the scriptures, and they are being led to a complete spiritual death when the mark comes. This is a worry for them. However good their intentions are, they are not listening to God's prophets, but the prophets of men. Self appointed prophets who start these religions. In New York of all places. Mind boggling. They are making big money too. They have health care systems, and are really involved with the world. They endorse the microchip to be inserted into the hand. This is a BIG WARNING SIGN.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,19:02) Do you know their history? Quote Yes they have William Miller from New York who started the church in the early 1800's. He predicted Christ's return in 1843-1844. So first error here. They also have Ellen White and what I have searched about her, is not to her credit. Quote “What you have searched out about her”? Too much to mention. Heres one example from this website on Ellen G White. This is all written documentation.
(http://www.biblebelievers.com/SDA/SDA1.html#1-a)5. JESUS’ BROTHERS WERE OLDER THAN HE AND THEY WERE THE SONS OF JOSEPH AND SIDED WITH THE RABBIS.
EGW — YES: “All this displeased His brothers. Being older than Jesus, they felt that He should be under their dictation. His brothers, as the sons of Joseph were called, sided with the rabbis. They insisted that the traditions must be heeded, as if they were the requirements of God.” (Desire of Ages, p.86,87).
Note: Not Biblical. EGW adds to the Bible the same way that Joseph Smith does in the Book of Mormon. How can Adventists claim that the Bible is the source of their faith and accept this as the truth, and do it with a straight face? The Bible clearly states that Jesus was the firstborn of Mary. (And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.) How can the firstborn have older brothers? (Matthew 1:25; Luke 2:7).
WOULD YOU FIND THIS PROPHET RELIABLE?
6. WAS THE TOWER OF BABEL BUILT BEFORE THE FLOOD?
EGW — YES: “This system was corrupted before the flood by those who separated themselves from the faithful followers of God, and engaged in the building of the tower of Babel.” (Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3, p.301).
BIBLE — NO: “These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.” (Gen 10:32;11:4).
NOTE: This was one of the first EGW contradictions that SDA’s found and corrected. They claimed it was just a typographical error, forgetting that EGW claimed every word she wrote came from God! (Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 2, p.293).
WOULD YOU TRUST THIS PROPHET?12. WHO BEARS OUR SINS?
EGW — SATAN: “It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed. Christ will place all these sins upon Satan, … so Satan, …will at last suffer the full penalty of sin.” (Great Controversy, p.422,485,486).
BIBLE — JESUS: “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.” (1 Pet 2:24).
WOULD YOU TRUST THIS PROPHET WITH YOUR LIFE
?14. CAN IGNORANT SLAVES BE SAVED?
EGW — NO: “God cannot take to heaven the slave who has been kept in ignorance and degradation, knowing nothing of God or the Bible, fearing nothing but his master's lash, and holding a lower position than the brutes.” (Early Writings, p.276).
BIBLE — YES: “That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.” (John 1:9).
There's errors here. A prophet of God should not speak error.
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