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Quote (charity @ Feb. 14 2013,09:34) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2013,07:34) Quote (charity @ Feb. 13 2013,22:30) You Know Tim. God has only ever got as Far as the Largest things said about him.
To All
sorry if that sounds Bad.
But e has only ever been able to be what the human Mind is capable of blessing him with.
Chaity.Not so.
The whole host of heaven glorifies him.
He can make the stones glorify him if he wants.
He does not need us;we need him.
We need him to even breathe.wakeup.
I dont believe the Jewish People Agree that God agree's that that the Roman empire should rule a their Land.Even Jesus failed to rise up the Kingdom of his Father David, as prophecy Had said.
You Have all the words from the Opressor Mouth, whom is Believes THE jewish God gave them rule over Jeruslem, an the disobedient children.
Charity.1.The reason why the Romans ruled over the jews is because of their disobedience to God.
2.Jesus came not to raise any kingdom ,but to preach the kingdom. That is what he came to do.
3. You obviously have not studied the old prophesies
It was Gods plan to gave israel to the jews.
Mount Moriah was bought by king David for 600 shekels.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,02:30) The reason why the Romans ruled over the jews is because of their disobedience to God.
Isn't it because there were Jews living in the bit they wanted to include in their empire?Stuart
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,02:30) Quote (charity @ Feb. 14 2013,09:34) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2013,07:34) Quote (charity @ Feb. 13 2013,22:30) You Know Tim. God has only ever got as Far as the Largest things said about him.
To All
sorry if that sounds Bad.But e has only ever been able to be what the human Mind is capable of blessing him with.
Chaity.Not so.
The whole host of heaven glorifies him.
He can make the stones glorify him if he wants.
He does not need us;we need him.
We need him to even breathe.wakeup.
I dont believe the Jewish People Agree that God agree's that that the Roman empire should rule a their Land.Even Jesus failed to rise up the Kingdom of his Father David, as prophecy Had said.
You Have all the words from the Opressor Mouth, whom is Believes THE jewish God gave them rule over Jeruslem, an the disobedient children.
Charity.1.The reason why the Romans ruled over the jews is because of their disobedience to God.
2.Jesus came not to raise any kingdom ,but to preach the kingdom. That is what he came to do.
3. You obviously have not studied the old prophesies
It was Gods plan to gave israel to the jews.
Mount Moriah was bought by king David for 600 shekels.wakeup.
Yes Stu, so correct. Im sorry that you don't agree Wake up.Greed has totally covered its self from being noticed.
One only Has to notice where all the riche's an treasures of the Old Kingdom earth ended up. An consider for a moment.Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,02:30) Quote (charity @ Feb. 14 2013,09:34) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2013,07:34) Quote (charity @ Feb. 13 2013,22:30) You Know Tim. God has only ever got as Far as the Largest things said about him.
To All
sorry if that sounds Bad.But e has only ever been able to be what the human Mind is capable of blessing him with.
Chaity.Not so.
The whole host of heaven glorifies him.
He can make the stones glorify him if he wants.
He does not need us;we need him.
We need him to even breathe.wakeup.
I dont believe the Jewish People Agree that God agree's that that the Roman empire should rule a their Land.Even Jesus failed to rise up the Kingdom of his Father David, as prophecy Had said.
You Have all the words from the Opressor Mouth, whom is Believes THE jewish God gave them rule over Jeruslem, an the disobedient children.
Charity.1.The reason why the Romans ruled over the jews is because of their disobedience to God.
2.Jesus came not to raise any kingdom ,but to preach the kingdom. That is what he came to do.
3. You obviously have not studied the old prophesies
It was Gods plan to gave israel to the jews.
Mount Moriah was bought by king David for 600 shekels.wakeup.
disobedience yes. oH i UNDERSTAND. more trouble to God perhaps.. because of people thinking they Know everything.Judah an Israel did not Join as one Nation at the Drawing of the stick in the dirt. they did not rise up as one army. not once not even at the second attempt!
They bickered an argued as two Nations. an of Corse they got conquered within their own land. they let Jesus down an lost their Land an estate for ever.
happens all the time. I listen very well wake up. I don't just believe content because its been presented, Hence I believe its been presented, I am a trained emotionalist. Thank you
Hi Stu, One thing that upsets me, beside the argument of GOD himself.
Nations Had their Land stolen off them, An christians have been deceived to support the thieves. An resolve the wrong that once was permitted. NO profound grief for the suffering and loss.
Its all just a punishment. an their inheritance is catapulted hence forth into the future, an the thief can get on with looting under cover. using a god that reveals the winner as his will, an dose not revenge. yet revenges the loser with his lose.If Australia realise that they could give an apology to all Aborigines.
For Stolen Generations
An stolen LandThen so can the Vatican.
They still Have all the Jewish treasures, which are not theirs. they are spoil.
If allah try's to Take your Nation over. WOULD YOU CALL THE God busters FROM AFAR TO save you from being forced to your knees three times a day?
the way out is to turn around an attack the roots.
Charity
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2013,07:27) 3.Was Paul not a jew,working on behalf of the scribes and pharisees; persecuting the followers of Jesus? Please answer.
wakeup.
Have you worked out Why Mary was on the outside of Jeruslem an Paul was bought up on the Inside. under the good Manner of Moses Laws. Jewish, Roman citizin. realising that it was all wrong.The Outside were Sons Of David… descendants of solomon, the impure generations. thrown out By Nehemiah, who returned the remnant back to Jersuslem.
after promising The King of Babylon He would rise up moses Laws into Power again,
sacrifice an offing,
Instead of choosing Davids Statues, Gods idea of More Faithful servant in House.The cast outside where meant to be in the inside..ruling. Davids statues again, instead of Babylon's Jewish Roman pharicee's
Thank you WU
HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR THREAD ON THE RETURNED EXILES.
I know what it feels Like to be outside the gates…INSIGNIFICANT is rudeness in our Day.One must observe the Dark side of Nature.
That is where The energy an Passion That Has forever over whelmed the world came from.
Many are AFRAID.
That is where they forbid us to Go.That is were we Shall find all pieces unto ourselves.
That is where you may find truth an what u Need to protect yourself from…What Human Nature is capable of.
Love Good an enjoy being Wise.
Would agree that Jewish Museum would be look far better with some of there BC National treasures RETURNED. rather Than filled with holocaust war movies an torture weapons.
Quote (charity @ Feb. 17 2013,09:12) Would agree that Jewish Museum would be look far better with some of there BC National treasures RETURNED. rather Than filled with holocaust war movies an torture weapons.
Charity …. A good start would be to identify the pedigree of those claiming to be from the seed of Sem (Shem) as opposed to those who are not.. There are counterfeits who are descendants of Japath (Ashenazi) and are in fact not part of the 12 tribes…Quote (TimothyVI @ Feb. 13 2013,21:15) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 13 2013,13:57) You keep bringing up the incident of Uzzah, and so, I will tell you that the arc was supposed to be transported only by the Koahites in a certain manner, and God had instructed them that they were not to touch the arc under any circumstances. David was transporting the arc on a cart, and he was wrong in doing this. It is difficult to understand God killing Uzzah for touching the arc, but God made him an example to show that He meant what he said about touching it. It was actually David's fault for transporting the arc the way that he did. Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty,
Stu took the time to respond to your entire post in very much the same way I might have if I had the literary skill.
However one thing stuck with me.You said
Quote It is difficult to understand God killing Uzzah for touching the arc, but God made him an example to show that He meant what he said about touching it. It was actually David's fault for transporting the arc the way that he did. Jeptha's daughter had to die because of what Jeptha did.
All women for eternity must suffer in childbirth because of what Eve did.
Uzzah had to die because David screwed up.I would like to ask you. Why does God always seem to punish the wrong people in order to make his examples?
Tim
Hi Tim:I have already given you my understanding relative to the Uzzah incident, and yes, the same applies to the stupid vow of Jeptha which caused the life of his daughter.
David was in authority over the nation of Israel and so how he governed the people would have positive or adverse affects the lives of the people over whom he had authority.
Though these mistakes cost the lives of Uzzah and Jeptha's daughter, the Nation of Israel learned from their mistakes.
But although the lives of Uzzah and Jeptha's daughter was cut short in this world, that does not mean that they will not be raised to eternal life in the world to come if they were faithful under the Law of Moses.
God allowed the child that David and Bathsheba had through their adulterous affair to die as punishment to David, and David pleaded with God for the child to live, but to no avail. This is what David said:
Quote 2Sa 12:22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell [whether] GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live? 2Sa 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me
As to the reason why women have to suffer the same child birth pangs that Eve had to suffer as a result of her disobedience, I can only say that that this has not kept women from having children.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (theodorej @ Feb. 18 2013,02:18) Quote (charity @ Feb. 17 2013,09:12) Would agree that Jewish Museum would be look far better with some of there BC National treasures RETURNED. rather Than filled with holocaust war movies an torture weapons.
Charity …. A good start would be to identify the pedigree of those claiming to be from the seed of Sem (Shem) as opposed to those who are not.. There are counterfeits who are descendants of Japath (Ashenazi) and are in fact not part of the 12 tribes…
About what time, did these people exist as the live on earth?Hi Tim:
One other thought relative to why God allows women to suffer the same child birth pains that Eve had to suffer because of her disobedience:
When children came forth from the seed of Adam, the children born to them were exactly like them, human flesh and blood.
Quote Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in his own likeness, after his image;[ and called his name Seth: Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (charity @ Feb. 13 2013,21:52) Quote (TimothyVI @ Feb. 13 2013,21:15) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 13 2013,13:57) You keep bringing up the incident of Uzzah, and so, I will tell you that the arc was supposed to be transported only by the Koahites in a certain manner, and God had instructed them that they were not to touch the arc under any circumstances. David was transporting the arc on a cart, and he was wrong in doing this. It is difficult to understand God killing Uzzah for touching the arc, but God made him an example to show that He meant what he said about touching it. It was actually David's fault for transporting the arc the way that he did. Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty,
Stu took the time to respond to your entire post in very much the same way I might have if I had the literary skill.
However one thing stuck with me.You said
Quote It is difficult to understand God killing Uzzah for touching the arc, but God made him an example to show that He meant what he said about touching it. It was actually David's fault for transporting the arc the way that he did. Jeptha's daughter had to die because of what Jeptha did.
All women for eternity must suffer in childbirth because of what Eve did.
Uzzah had to die because David screwed up.I would like to ask you. Why does God always seem to punish the wrong people in order to make his examples?
Tim
Oh I could never believe God could do such a thing… I think a crowd demands that some one shall be made responsible. In this case A Nation demands that a Nation is responsibleJesus died for because he was Killed. wither He rose again or Not. He was to be of More Power in the first temple. rather than vanished.
The Romans killed Him, the priests agreed, an all the whole Jewish Nation wears the whole blame it to this day. Hated.
What a blessing for the Romans an priests that God forgave them for cutting Jesus off from causing a revolution to return the throne an Jeruselem to the Jewish Nation. an get lost once an for all.
Hi Charity:The Romans may have been the ones who literally crucified because that is what the Pharisees wanted, and yes, the Catholic church in their supidity blamed all Jews for the death of Jesus, but we all crucifed him because he died for the sins of all humanity.
Quote Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were [our] faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Isa 53:4 ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Stu:
You ask:
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Quote How can an opinion be wrong?? An opinion may include factually incorrect assertions, but if you are going to deal in facts perhaps you should start with the question of existence before you tell me that my facts about your completely invisible and inaudible god are wrong. Your opinion is wrong because you obviously do not have a personal relatonship with Him as I do. I know that He exists because I had my own Exodus, deliverance to the bondage from sin, in February 1980 when I asked him for help in keeping my family together if he was a reality when my wife was going to leave and take my son with her. He revealed to me that He is a reality by baptizing me with the Holy Spirit, and although my wife left me for 3 months, she returned to me and we have just celebrated our 48th year anniversary this past January, and she also since that time has had her own Exodus experience. Since I have come into a personal relationship with Him, I know Him as my heavenly Father as my helper as I go through this life, who loves me enough to correct me when He sees me doing something that would be detrimental to me and possibly to others if I continue in my way, who forgives me when I confess my faults with a repentant heart, who gives me an abundant life, providing me with all of my needs in this life, and assurance of eternal life with eternal joy in the world to come.
And so, yes, since I know Him in an intimate way, I know that your opinion of Him is wrong, and you also are wrong about me in your assertion that I serve Him because of my fear of being destroyed, and that I am delusional, and also, that I am an African American.
You see, you say these things about me without even knowing me in a personal way.And so, my personal experiences are historical facts to me. They happened and they are happening.
And so, God's moronic commands are “Love worketh no ill will to His neighbor, therefore “Love” is the fulfillment of the Law?
There are archeological finds such as Ron Wyatts finds that are disputed. The city of Jericho did exist, but there is also some disputations about the time that it existed, and so forth.
But what I know is through personal experience, and none, can dispute what I know to be the truth. Oh, you may say I am delusional or whatever else you may want to say, but that does not change the truth. God's Word is the truth whether you believe it or not.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Feb. 18 2013,09:48) Hi Stu: You ask:
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Quote How can an opinion be wrong?? An opinion may include factually incorrect assertions, but if you are going to deal in facts perhaps you should start with the question of existence before you tell me that my facts about your completely invisible and inaudible god are wrong. Your opinion is wrong because you obviously do not have a personal relatonship with Him as I do. I know that He exists because I had my own Exodus, deliverance to the bondage from sin, in February 1980 when I asked him for help in keeping my family together if he was a reality when my wife was going to leave and take my son with her. He revealed to me that He is a reality by baptizing me with the Holy Spirit, and although my wife left me for 3 months, she returned to me and we have just celebrated our 48th year anniversary this past January, and she also since that time has had her own Exodus experience. Since I have come into a personal relationship with Him, I know Him as my heavenly Father as my helper as I go through this life, who loves me enough to correct me when He sees me doing something that would be detrimental to me and possibly to others if I continue in my way, who forgives me when I confess my faults with a repentant heart, who gives me an abundant life, providing me with all of my needs in this life, and assurance of eternal life with eternal joy in the world to come.
And so, yes, since I know Him in an intimate way, I know that your opinion of Him is wrong, and you also are wrong about me in your assertion that I serve Him because of my fear of being destroyed, and that I am delusional, and also, that I am an African American.
You see, you say these things about me without even knowing me in a personal way.And so, my personal experiences are historical facts to me. They happened and they are happening.
And so, God's moronic commands are “Love worketh no ill will to His neighbor, therefore “Love” is the fulfillment of the Law?
There are archeological finds such as Ron Wyatts finds that are disputed. The city of Jericho did exist, but there is also some disputations about the time that it existed, and so forth.
But what I know is through personal experience, and none, can dispute what I know to be the truth. Oh, you may say I am delusional or whatever else you may want to say, but that does not change the truth. God's Word is the truth whether you believe it or not.
Love in Christ,
Marty
If you are delusional then it isn't truth. I can't deny your experiences and the fortune you feel. But I'd suggest you have no basis whatever for attributing those experiences to gods. Do you think no non-believers have had the same kinds of experiences as you? Those people who have had the same experiences but never thought they should attribute them to gods, are they wrong? You mumbling to an Imaginary Friend and then seeing a desire come true is no reason to believe the Imaginary Friend actually exists. Are you saying this god that reunited your family is the same one who appeared in the abominable story of Abraham and Isaac, that ordered the killing of the firstborn of Egypt, that set bears to kill unruly youths, that tells people they will be happy smashing the children of Babylon into the stones? Nonsense. It was you building relationships, not your Imaginary Friend.My opinion is still correctly described as my opinion regardless of what your opinion of it is. I'm afraid I can't be impressed by the facts you put before us. My opinion remains that this monstrous god is something you fear (the bible tells you many times to fear it) and yet it supposedly demands your love on pain of burning sulfur.
For this god to even comment on love would be sick.
Stuart
Stuart,
I can understand what you are saying as i have been there myself and almost decided that I did not want to follow that god, seeing all of the nastiness etc, and the fact that i thought that people only followed that god due to their fear of going to hell, and i thought this was selfish, so I do understand what you are saying however, there is more to it than just that. i personally do not believe in eternal conscious torment in hell and i think this is completely the opposite of what God is – and I do believe that God is love. God offers us eternal life. God gave us life. Man is responsible for the evil that is in the world but they chose instead to put the blame on God or on some other being, and I do not believe this. I believe that God loves us, even you Stuart.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 18 2013,19:15) Stuart, I can understand what you are saying as i have been there myself and almost decided that I did not want to follow that god, seeing all of the nastiness etc, and the fact that i thought that people only followed that god due to their fear of going to hell, and i thought this was selfish, so I do understand what you are saying however, there is more to it than just that. i personally do not believe in eternal conscious torment in hell and i think this is completely the opposite of what God is – and I do believe that God is love. God offers us eternal life. God gave us life. Man is responsible for the evil that is in the world but they chose instead to put the blame on God or on some other being, and I do not believe this. I believe that God loves us, even you Stuart.
I see that gods can be whatever believers want them to be.I also see that even though gods apparently can do anything they want, and invented everything, nevertheless they bear no responsibility for the bits of their creation that have gone wrong. Perhaps humans are responsible for evil on the planet, but they are also responsible for generating the joy of a rewarding life. You can't give that responsibility away to a god, or else you are a slave. Perhaps you like being a slave.
Why on earth would you want “eternal life”, whatever that means?
Stuart
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 18 2013,08:50) Quote (charity @ Feb. 13 2013,21:52) Quote (TimothyVI @ Feb. 13 2013,21:15) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 13 2013,13:57) You keep bringing up the incident of Uzzah, and so, I will tell you that the arc was supposed to be transported only by the Koahites in a certain manner, and God had instructed them that they were not to touch the arc under any circumstances. David was transporting the arc on a cart, and he was wrong in doing this. It is difficult to understand God killing Uzzah for touching the arc, but God made him an example to show that He meant what he said about touching it. It was actually David's fault for transporting the arc the way that he did. Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty,
Stu took the time to respond to your entire post in very much the same way I might have if I had the literary skill.
However one thing stuck with me.You said
Quote It is difficult to understand God killing Uzzah for touching the arc, but God made him an example to show that He meant what he said about touching it. It was actually David's fault for transporting the arc the way that he did. Jeptha's daughter had to die because of what Jeptha did.
All women for eternity must suffer in childbirth because of what Eve did.
Uzzah had to die because David screwed up.I would like to ask you. Why does God always seem to punish the wrong people in order to make his examples?
Tim
Oh I could never believe God could do such a thing… I think a crowd demands that some one shall be made responsible. In this case A Nation demands that a Nation is responsibleJesus died for because he was Killed. wither He rose again or Not. He was to be of More Power in the first temple. rather than vanished.
The Romans killed Him, the priests agreed, an all the whole Jewish Nation wears the whole blame it to this day. Hated.
What a blessing for the Romans an priests that God forgave them for cutting Jesus off from causing a revolution to return the throne an Jeruselem to the Jewish Nation. an get lost once an for all.
Hi Charity:The Romans may have been the ones who literally crucified because that is what the Pharisees wanted, and yes, the Catholic church in their supidity blamed all Jews for the death of Jesus, but we all crucifed him because he died for the sins of all humanity.
Quote Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were [our] faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Isa 53:4 ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Love in Christ,
Marty
What a Jumble.To me the Bible is as if two Gods Have shoved all their notes into one book, the gods watch an wait as their words toss an turn, snare an trap, set free an cast into hell.
CUTTING Jesus off was the only way the Romans could stop him fifilling his mission.
Taking him as a Lamb to the slaughter
Jer 11:19is a prophecy that explains he was destroyed An He New Not that they devised to cut him off.
Came Latter Tis Gods will he gave his life
because its written dose it mean its God Plan?
or is it
Nah, a clue, be weary of who not to follow
An a Judgement Fails to commence.
for
hardly one can read the words the right way round.
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