Archaeologist sees proof for bible in ancient wall

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,03:58)

stu Quote Mystery feeds both science and religion.  Science exposes mystery.  Religion protects it because without it religion is dead. all sciences prove that their is a intelligence behind all what exist and so prove a creator,what ever is name may be, the design speaks for it self. can you not understand it well that is not my problem it is yours. so keep believing that all things came out of kayos explosion, Pierre

No science proves anything. Only maths proves.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,04:00)

stu Quote No, you can rely on science to provide knowledge and understanding.  It is engineers that build bombs, not scientists. it is science that provided the knowledge to make a bomb,  are you not aware of this ? Pierre

If I had not been aware of it, how could I have written EXACTLY THAT in the post to which you replied?

Reading is so unfashionable these days, don't you find?

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,04:04)

stu Quote What is a god? Stuart HE IS THE INTELLIGENCE THAT MADE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN SEE AND THAT WE DO NOT SEE ,THE THINGS WE DO UNDERSTAND AND THE THINGS WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND, THE MYSTERY S OF LIVE IS ONLY EQUAL TO OUR IGNORANCE. Pierre

If you had asked me what aluminium is, and I had replied that it is shiny and conducts electricity, would you have been happy that I had answered the question.

All you did was list properties of your god concept, you did not say what a god is.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,04:06)

stu Quote I don’t know how much I know compared to other people.  I am not a professional engineer, so I do not carry in my head tables of tensile strength values of various kinds of hydraulic concrete.  Was that what you meant? is this not also true to all other sciences disciplines ? Pierre

Is what not also true?

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,04:12)

stu Quote Quote just as corporate business, country's in this world are showing that they have no idea of how to govern ,they are more qualified to create disorder and kayos , ======================================= So you are not really making a serious point, you are just ranting. no i am not ranking,because they all are on the same level,one can not go without the other. (see all my quotes) Pierre

I didn't accuse you of ranking, I said you were ranting.

Stuart

[terraricca]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2011,18:31)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,03:58) stu Quote Mystery feeds both science and religion.  Science exposes mystery.  Religion protects it because without it religion is dead. all sciences prove that their is a intelligence behind all what exist and so prove a creator,what ever is name may be, the design speaks for it self. can you not understand it well that is not my problem it is yours. so keep believing that all things came out of kayos explosion, Pierre No science proves anything.  Only maths proves. Stuart

stu

[terraricca]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2011,18:35)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,04:12) stu Quote Quote just as corporate business, country's in this world are showing that they have no idea of how to govern ,they are more qualified to create disorder and kayos , ======================================= So you are not really making a serious point, you are just ranting. no i am not ranking,because they all are on the same level,one can not go without the other. (see all my quotes) Pierre I didn't accuse you of ranking, I said you were ranting. Stuart

stu

sorry for my read it ,but you extremely wrong ,

[terraricca]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2011,18:35)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,04:06) stu Quote I don’t know how much I know compared to other people.  I am not a professional engineer, so I do not carry in my head tables of tensile strength values of various kinds of hydraulic concrete.  Was that what you meant? is this not also true to all other sciences disciplines ? Pierre Is what not also true? Stuart

stu

Is what not also true?so I do not carry in my head tables

is this not also true to all other sciences disciplines ?

[terraricca]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2011,18:34)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,04:04) stu Quote What is a god? Stuart HE IS THE INTELLIGENCE THAT MADE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN SEE AND THAT WE DO NOT SEE ,THE THINGS WE DO UNDERSTAND AND THE THINGS WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND, THE MYSTERY S OF LIVE IS ONLY EQUAL TO OUR IGNORANCE. Pierre If you had asked me what aluminium is, and I had replied that it is shiny and conducts electricity, would you have been happy that I had answered the question. All you did was list properties of your god concept, you did not say what a god is. Stuart

stu

that is what God his

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,16:52)

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2011,18:35) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,04:06) stu Quote I don’t know how much I know compared to other people.  I am not a professional engineer, so I do not carry in my head tables of tensile strength values of various kinds of hydraulic concrete.  Was that what you meant? is this not also true to all other sciences disciplines ? Pierre Is what not also true? Stuart stu Is what not also true?so I do not carry in my head tables is this not also true to all other sciences disciplines ?

I was asking you what you meant by the science of construction. What do you mean?

Stuart

[terraricca]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2011,18:31)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,03:58) stu Quote Mystery feeds both science and religion.  Science exposes mystery.  Religion protects it because without it religion is dead. all sciences prove that their is a intelligence behind all what exist and so prove a creator,what ever is name may be, the design speaks for it self. can you not understand it well that is not my problem it is yours. so keep believing that all things came out of kayos explosion, Pierre No science proves anything.  Only maths proves. Stuart

stu

this is no monkey busness,math i mean

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,16:54)

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2011,18:34) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,04:04) stu Quote What is a god? Stuart HE IS THE INTELLIGENCE THAT MADE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN SEE AND THAT WE DO NOT SEE ,THE THINGS WE DO UNDERSTAND AND THE THINGS WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND, THE MYSTERY S OF LIVE IS ONLY EQUAL TO OUR IGNORANCE. Pierre If you had asked me what aluminium is, and I had replied that it is shiny and conducts electricity, would you have been happy that I had answered the question. All you did was list properties of your god concept, you did not say what a god is. Stuart stu       that is what God his

So actual existence is not one of the necessary properties of this god?

Stuart

[terraricca]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2011,23:57)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,16:54) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2011,18:34) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,04:04) stu Quote What is a god? Stuart HE IS THE INTELLIGENCE THAT MADE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN SEE AND THAT WE DO NOT SEE ,THE THINGS WE DO UNDERSTAND AND THE THINGS WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND, THE MYSTERY S OF LIVE IS ONLY EQUAL TO OUR IGNORANCE. Pierre If you had asked me what aluminium is, and I had replied that it is shiny and conducts electricity, would you have been happy that I had answered the question. All you did was list properties of your god concept, you did not say what a god is. Stuart stu       that is what God his So actual existence is not one of the necessary properties of this god? Stuart

stu

think again to what i have said,and understand it

Pierre

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2011,08:04)

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2011,23:57) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,16:54) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2011,18:34) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,04:04) stu Quote What is a god? Stuart HE IS THE INTELLIGENCE THAT MADE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN SEE AND THAT WE DO NOT SEE ,THE THINGS WE DO UNDERSTAND AND THE THINGS WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND, THE MYSTERY S OF LIVE IS ONLY EQUAL TO OUR IGNORANCE. Pierre If you had asked me what aluminium is, and I had replied that it is shiny and conducts electricity, would you have been happy that I had answered the question. All you did was list properties of your god concept, you did not say what a god is. Stuart stu       that is what God his So actual existence is not one of the necessary properties of this god? Stuart stu think again to what i have said,and understand it Pierre

I thought for the amount of time warranted. Nothing logical sprang from what you wrote.

Stuart

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2011,08:04) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2011,23:57) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,16:54) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2011,18:34) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,04:04) stu Quote What is a god? Stuart HE IS THE INTELLIGENCE THAT MADE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN SEE AND THAT WE DO NOT SEE ,THE THINGS WE DO UNDERSTAND AND THE THINGS WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND, THE MYSTERY S OF LIVE IS ONLY EQUAL TO OUR IGNORANCE. Pierre If you had asked me what aluminium is, and I had replied that it is shiny and conducts electricity, would you have been happy that I had answered the question. All you did was list properties of your god concept, you did not say what a god is. Stuart stu       that is what God his So actual existence is not one of the necessary properties of this god? Stuart stu think again to what i have said,and understand it Pierre I thought for the amount of time warranted.  Nothing logical sprang from what you wrote. Stuart

stu

the logic is if you(we)have Intelligence  then we are living beings and so the origin of intelligence is intelligence NO? or is it the bomb explosion ?

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Quote (Stu @ Aug. 03 2011,17:55)

t8 needs an analogy because his form of creationism depends upon making a false analogy.

Why do we need climate models to understand the real climate?

Might have something to do with trying to understand something beyond our level of understanding by making it analogous to our level of understanding.

The alternative is to not bother and let's face it, why not. Humans have been quite successful at using representations to discover truth about things that are normally beyond our grasp.

For example, to understand higher dimensions, we can only represent them with tools at our level. If you discount that, then we don't bother to find out.

But here you are looking for a test tube result for the existence of God. This shows great ignorance and misunderstanding on your part.

Without mathematics for example, would we even have looked for dark matter? Obviously using a representative system to prove the possibility of something helps us focus later on to look for the real thing. Unbelief at the representative level leads to a lack of discovery.

A creator is the only logical explanation out of Someone, something, nothing as being the predessor of all things. And let's face it, you cannot provide an alternative or even a clear winner out of the 3 horses. So as I have said before you are clueless.

In the case of a creator, the conclusive proof is in the evidence at a personal level, even though logic dictates that there is a creator and to say otherwise is foolishness.

This is why some scientists acknowledge God while not all agree that he can be a personal God. Anyone who discounts God at all, does so because of bias and has obviously not gone down the path of deduction and logic as to the possible choices. This is where you are Stu.

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 09 2011,09:24)

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 09 2011,04:09) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2011,08:04) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2011,23:57) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,16:54) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2011,18:34) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,04:04) stu Quote What is a god? Stuart HE IS THE INTELLIGENCE THAT MADE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN SEE AND THAT WE DO NOT SEE ,THE THINGS WE DO UNDERSTAND AND THE THINGS WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND, THE MYSTERY S OF LIVE IS ONLY EQUAL TO OUR IGNORANCE. Pierre If you had asked me what aluminium is, and I had replied that it is shiny and conducts electricity, would you have been happy that I had answered the question. All you did was list properties of your god concept, you did not say what a god is. Stuart stu       that is what God his So actual existence is not one of the necessary properties of this god? Stuart stu think again to what i have said,and understand it Pierre I thought for the amount of time warranted.  Nothing logical sprang from what you wrote. Stuart stu the logic is if you(we)have  Intelligence   then we are living beings and so the origin of intelligence is intelligence NO? or is it the bomb explosion ?

Neither.

Stuart

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t8

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Why do we need climate models to understand the real climate? Might have something to do with trying to understand something beyond our level of understanding by making it analogous to our level of understanding. The alternative is to not bother and let's face it, why not. Humans have been quite successful at using representations to discover truth about things that are normally beyond our grasp. For example, to understand higher dimensions, we can only represent them with tools at our level. If you discount that, then we don't bother to find out. But here you are looking for a test tube result for the existence of God. This shows great ignorance and misunderstanding on your part. Without mathematics for example, would we even have looked for dark matter? Obviously using a representative system to prove the possibility of something helps us focus later on to look for the real thing. Unbelief at the representative level leads to a lack of discovery.

Computer models take data from the real system they are modeling and extrapolate as a tool of investigation.

Your analogies take two entirely different concepts and falsely equate them by association, mostly exploiting the logical fallacy of equivocation.

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A creator is the only logical explanation out of Someone, something, nothing as being the predessor of all things. And let's face it, you cannot provide an alternative or even a clear winner out of the 3 horses. So as I have said before you are clueless. In the case of a creator, the conclusive proof is in the evidence at a personal level, even though logic dictates that there is a creator and to say otherwise is foolishness. This is why some scientists acknowledge God while not all agree that he can be a personal God. Anyone who discounts God at all, does so because of bias and has obviously not gone down the path of deduction and logic as to the possible choices. This is where you are Stu.

Are you suggesting I should join you in worshipping Zeus?

Stuart

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Are you suggesting I should join you in worshipping Zeus? Stuart

Worshipping Zeus evokes the eternal wrath of Thor.
It is your choice to spend eternity getting bopped on the head by the hammer of Thor, for ever and ever.

Tim

[Stu]

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Quote (Stu @ Aug. 09 2011,21:08) Are you suggesting I should join you in worshipping Zeus? Stuart Worshipping Zeus evokes the eternal wrath of Thor. It is your choice to spend eternity getting bopped on the head by the hammer of Thor, for ever and ever. Tim

Hmmm. OK then, might have to switch to Bacchus.

My liver will take a bit of a hammering instead.

Stuart

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