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HI NICK H
you print lies and you said it is good,are you a Christian?
you mention that the creeds dated from more or less 150AD and you refer us to calvin that is 1500 century,it mention the catholic church that only came to exist from 325AD
It is thrue anything is good for the devil to turn away Chrits sheepsIt is “assumed” that, because no body was found after the resurrection of Jesus, that he was bodily resurrected.
Why would God want to give him a body that was scared and full of holes?
Was Jesus flesh and blood before he was born a man, or was he a spirit being?
Did not Paul say, “flesh and blood “can not” inherit the kingdom of God?”
Did not his body take on all of our sins, so that “we” can be resurrected?
If Jesus was resurrected bodily, who took away all the sins from him?
Would you call a flesh body a glorified and divine body?Come on people, if you believe Jesus was bodily resurrected you should have the answers to these questions.
Georg
hi to all
is anyone can close his eyes and read the letter to the Hebrew,and try to be part of the christians who were present wen Paul was given the lecture ,and understand it ,as it then was.
this is Christ speaking trough Paul ,it is the understanding of the book of God.
and the Word of God is the Spirit of Christ.
I hope you understand that.Quote (georg @ Nov. 02 2009,01:56) It is “assumed” that, because no body was found after the resurrection of Jesus, that he was bodily resurrected.
Why would God want to give him a body that was scared and full of holes?
Was Jesus flesh and blood before he was born a man, or was he a spirit being?
Did not Paul say, “flesh and blood “can not” inherit the kingdom of God?”
Did not his body take on all of our sins, so that “we” can be resurrected?
If Jesus was resurrected bodily, who took away all the sins from him?
Would you call a flesh body a glorified and divine body?Come on people, if you believe Jesus was bodily resurrected you should have the answers to these questions.
Georg
Hi Georg,
He showed the wounds to his brothers [Jn20.27]and said he was flesh and bone.[Lk24.39]But you disagree with him because it does not make sense to you??
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 23 2009,08:04) Quote (georg @ Nov. 02 2009,01:56) It is “assumed” that, because no body was found after the resurrection of Jesus, that he was bodily resurrected.
Why would God want to give him a body that was scared and full of holes?
Was Jesus flesh and blood before he was born a man, or was he a spirit being?
Did not Paul say, “flesh and blood “can not” inherit the kingdom of God?”
Did not his body take on all of our sins, so that “we” can be resurrected?
If Jesus was resurrected bodily, who took away all the sins from him?
Would you call a flesh body a glorified and divine body?Come on people, if you believe Jesus was bodily resurrected you should have the answers to these questions.
Georg
Hi Georg,
He showed the wounds to his brothers [Jn20.27]and said he was flesh and bone.[Lk24.39]But you disagree with him because it does not make sense to you??
Nick He became to be a ransom for all. I too believe that Jesus had a glorified Body. That is what He said He wants back, like He had it with His Father before the world was John 17:5.
Maria Magdalene and Maria did not recognize Him either. They thought it was the Gardner. As far as showing His wounds to Thomas, that He did for Thomas, who did not believe. He can transform Himself into anybody. Just like the Angels that can walk this earth and help us Christians. I know, because I experienced it myself on the Highway when it was snowing and lost control over our Car. An Angel took over. Something like that I will never forget. Also our Granddaughters Miracle, when Sh jumped of the Balcony when She was less then 2 years old. Angels saved Her from injury.
Not all of us, have experienced these things. So I can understand that You might not believe in that. God took Jesus crucified Body and disposed of it IMO.
Peace and Love IreneHi Irene,
So do you believe like the JWs that he swapped around from the old body to being a spirit being and he was lying in Lk24?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 23 2009,08:04) Quote (georg @ Nov. 02 2009,01:56) It is “assumed” that, because no body was found after the resurrection of Jesus, that he was bodily resurrected.
Why would God want to give him a body that was scared and full of holes?
Was Jesus flesh and blood before he was born a man, or was he a spirit being?
Did not Paul say, “flesh and blood “can not” inherit the kingdom of God?”
Did not his body take on all of our sins, so that “we” can be resurrected?
If Jesus was resurrected bodily, who took away all the sins from him?
Would you call a flesh body a glorified and divine body?Come on people, if you believe Jesus was bodily resurrected you should have the answers to these questions.
Georg
Hi Georg,
He showed the wounds to his brothers [Jn20.27]and said he was flesh and bone.[Lk24.39]But you disagree with him because it does not make sense to you??
NickThe first time Jesus appeared to the apostles, they thought it was a ghost, not recognizing him.
The second time, he showed Thomas his wounds, and only then did Thomas believe, not because he recognized Jesus by sight. No one recognized Jesus by sight, because he did not look the same. Why? two reason,
one; his body did take on all of our sins, and what is the penalty for sin? death, that is why he came in the first place, to save us from death.
two; he gave up his spirit nature so that he could die for us, so why would God want to resurrect him in the body that took on our sins? it would be like taking back the ransom.
And, does not Paul say, “flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God?”
Now, does that make sense to you?Georg
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2007,20:49) Hi,
Here is the apostle's creed.
The Apostles' Creed
The basic creed of Reformed churches, as most familiarly known, is called the Apostles' Creed. It has received this title because of its great antiquity; it dates from very early times in the Church, a half century or so from the last writings of the New Testament.——————————————————————————–
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.He descended into hell. [See Calvin]
The third day He arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.Amen.
Quote Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, LUKE 1:31, 35, 37 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name YESHUA. . . And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of 'Elohm. . . For with 'Elohim nothing shall be impossible.
Yeshua was born of the mother's substance by the Holy Spirit.
Holy Spirit: Pneumatos Agiou: Holy Breathed.
It was the “Breath of 'Elohim” which imparted life into Mary's womb.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 28 2009,02:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2007,20:49) Hi,
Here is the apostle's creed.
The Apostles' Creed
The basic creed of Reformed churches, as most familiarly known, is called the Apostles' Creed. It has received this title because of its great antiquity; it dates from very early times in the Church, a half century or so from the last writings of the New Testament.——————————————————————————–
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.He descended into hell. [See Calvin]
The third day He arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.Amen.
Quote Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, LUKE 1:31, 35, 37 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name YESHUA. . . And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of 'Elohm. . . For with 'Elohim nothing shall be impossible.
Yeshua was born of the mother's substance by the Holy Spirit.
Holy Spirit: Pneumatos Agiou: Holy Breathed.
It was the “Breath of 'Elohim” which imparted life into Mary's womb.
Quote He descended into hell. [See Calvin] Lies of Rome. He decsended into the grave for three days and three nights.
Quote I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church, More Roman lies, “the holy *catholic church” is not 'Elohims breath.
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 23 2009,14:01) Hi: And so, how do your get pre-existence from this creed?
Love in Christ,
Marty
I do not see him alluding to pre-existance in the title thread nor his opening post, so why the comment?Quote (942767 @ Feb. 23 2009,14:11) Hi Nick: This lines up with the scriptures, and pre-existence and the doctrine of trinity do not.
And so, yes if this lines up with the scriptures we should follow it.
Love in Christ,
Marty
The creed does not wholly line up with scriptures. There is one error, 1) Stating the Catholic Church is 'Elohim's Breath. And two, the possibility of utiling the English from the Greek on the word “conceive” giving the appearence that the English word for “Holy Spirit” might be considered a third entity in itself when all it means is “'Elohim Breathed” or “Breath fron the Divine”.So there is one error and one partial.
Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 27 2009,09:52) 942767 said: Quote But the Apostle's Creed, as far as I can tell, pretty well summarizes what the bible teaches. The Apostle's Creed in part is unbiblical and out of touch with reality. For instance, it says “I believe in the resurrection of the body”. This is not biblical. And the bugs eat the body before it can be resurrected. And the birds in turn eat the bugs. And other birds in turn eat them.
thinker
Paul, employs the term also to designate the sublimated substance with which we are to be clothed after the resurrection when he speaks of the “spiritual body” (1Co 15:44).For I know my redeemer liveth, and he shall stand at the latter upon the earth: And after my skin destroy this, yet in my flesh shall I see 'Elohim: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; my reins be consumed within me. Job 19:25-27
Quote The Apostle's Creed in part is unbiblical and out of touch with reality. For instance, it says “I believe in the resurrection of the body”. This is not biblical. And the bugs eat the body before it can be resurrected. And the birds in turn eat the bugs. And other birds in turn eat them. Yeshua answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body. When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Yeshua had said. John 2:19-22
Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,06:56) It is “assumed” that, because no body was found after the resurrection of Jesus, that he was bodily resurrected.
Why would God want to give him a body that was scared and full of holes?
Was Jesus flesh and blood before he was born a man, or was he a spirit being?
Did not Paul say, “flesh and blood “can not” inherit the kingdom of God?”
Did not his body take on all of our sins, so that “we” can be resurrected?
If Jesus was resurrected bodily, who took away all the sins from him?
Would you call a flesh body a glorified and divine body?Come on people, if you believe Jesus was bodily resurrected you should have the answers to these questions.
Georg
Yeshua answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body. When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Yeshua had said. John 2:19-22
The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. . . Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. John 20:25-27
hi
Christ as to be resurected bodyly ,because when he whent to his father he took his sacrificed offering with him to presented to his God and father ,as the sacrifice to pay the live who was losed trough Adam.
if you see the scriptures related to the sacrifice wath the greath prist offered in the most Holy before God.
lev;7-28-30,and 35.
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