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Quote (Stu @ Mar. 01 2008,11:33) That is something I had not even considered; that someone might think there was a causal relationship between the two events. Am I Damien from The Omen? My birthday is 6 June!
Stuart
Hi Stu,
I did not say a causal relationship, I said some involvement.
Regardless of what that involvement may have been, causal or prior knowledge. That could traumatize a kid. Look what it did to you. Just kidding stu, I love you.Tim
Quote (Mandy @ Feb. 28 2008,17:41) Quote (seek and you will find @ Feb. 28 2008,17:39) Mandy! Is there anything I can help you with? If you tell me what exactley it is, I will ask my Husband to help us. He really has a good understanding of the scriptures. I know you said that the Old Testsament does not line up with the New. You need to give me which scriptures?
Peace and Love Irene
Yes, sister you can help me (and your dear husband too). I am wondering about the idea of the second coming of the Messiah……where is it written in the OT?Thanks,
Mandy
Hi Mandy:Maybe the following will help:
Quote Daniel 7:13
I saw * in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.God Bless
Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 01 2008,23:14) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 01 2008,11:33) That is something I had not even considered; that someone might think there was a causal relationship between the two events. Am I Damien from The Omen? My birthday is 6 June!
Stuart
Hi Stu,
I did not say a causal relationship, I said some involvement.
Regardless of what that involvement may have been, causal or prior knowledge. That could traumatize a kid. Look what it did to you. Just kidding stu, I love you.Tim
No, I know you didn't imply anything like that Tim.The Good News of atheism is that there is no hell and no judgement by hypocritical (but actually imaginary) supernatural beings. I think even being accused of contributing to a death would be less traumatic than being told you will go to hell because you are not 'saved'. Maybe. I'm not sure which is worse…
Anyway I don't suffer either so I guess I should be grateful!?
Stuart
Quote (942767 @ Mar. 02 2008,08:18) Quote (Mandy @ Feb. 28 2008,17:41) Quote (seek and you will find @ Feb. 28 2008,17:39) Mandy! Is there anything I can help you with? If you tell me what exactley it is, I will ask my Husband to help us. He really has a good understanding of the scriptures. I know you said that the Old Testsament does not line up with the New. You need to give me which scriptures?
Peace and Love Irene
Yes, sister you can help me (and your dear husband too). I am wondering about the idea of the second coming of the Messiah……where is it written in the OT?Thanks,
Mandy
Hi Mandy:Maybe the following will help:
Quote Daniel 7:13
I saw * in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.God Bless
This is for Mandy! I am going to bump this up. This verse in Daniel 7:13 and 14 is really a good scripture and hoping that you will see Jesus in it.Peace and Love Irene
Thanks for bumping it Irene. I've been away from the computer for a day or so.
Um, yes I'll take a look at Daniel again this weekend. The thing that bothers me about pinning my hopes on this little passage is that it doesn't tie in the other prophesies about the Messiah. Could it be talking about the same Messiah? What gives us the idea that it is? Anyway, thanks 94 and Irene. I'll do some looking here….
Love,
MandyQuote (Mandy @ Mar. 02 2008,19:20) Thanks for bumping it Irene. I've been away from the computer for a day or so. Um, yes I'll take a look at Daniel again this weekend. The thing that bothers me about pinning my hopes on this little passage is that it doesn't tie in the other prophesies about the Messiah. Could it be talking about the same Messiah? What gives us the idea that it is? Anyway, thanks 94 and Irene. I'll do some looking here….
Love,
Mandy
Hi Mandy:What prophecies relative to the Messiah does this verse of scripture not tie in? Please elaborate.
Thanks & God Bless
94,
Where does it say that the promised Messiah will have an “everlasting dominion”? The NT says that Jesus will eventually turn everything over to the Father so that he may be all in all.
We are to serve God, not Jesus.
God is a jealous God and will not give his glory to another.
Hi Mandy,
Christ will always be our appointed Lord and that dominion will never cease.
And he subjects himself again to God when his work is done on earth[1Cor15]I believe that Jesus was meant to be our role model, the pinnacle of what humanity can, one day aspire to. He never claimed godhood or asked for worship as far as I know. That he may be my lord, teacher, etc., I have no doubt, but he is not our God and doesn't want to be. As far as the Jewish Messiah role, I don't know, yet the answer doesn't concern me for whether true or not it wouldn't change any of my basic beliefs.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2008,17:31) Hi Mandy,
Christ will always be our appointed Lord and that dominion will never cease.
And he subjects himself again to God when his work is done on earth[1Cor15]
Hi Mandy:I agree with Nick on this. I would just like to add that when we obey Jesus we are obeying God. We are subjected to God through him. He did not teach his own thoughts but taught and obeyed what God taught him. (John 14:10)
The following scripture tells of the Messiah's dominion forever:
Quote Ezekiel 37:22
And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
37:23
Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
37:24
And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
37:25
And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
37:26
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
37:27
My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
37:28
And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.God Bless
Quote (942767 @ Mar. 08 2008,11:07) The following scripture tells of the Messiah's dominion forever: Quote
Ezekiel 37:22
And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
37:23
Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
37:24
And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
37:25
And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
37:26
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
37:27
My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
37:28
And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
Really? See, I see it talking about David not Jesus. Where is Jesus in this passage?When does his dominion start? Has it started already? Will it start when he returns? The Bible doesn't seem to say but certainly those things that the passage is talking about have not come to pass?
Hi Mandy,
David was buried and with Abraham and the other living sons of God when these words were written. Do you think that David himself will be raised to rule again from Jerusalem?
No it is Jesus in the anointing [King and prophet] of David.
Same as with Zerubbabel in Zecheriah 4.
Same as with Elijah and J the B
Hidden mysteries?I guess I've never been a “mystery” fan.
I've no clue why God isn't more clear. Maybe he wants us to seek him out but in so doing, some lose their faith.
Hi mandy,
You do not need much.
But you do need some.If God did not write in riddles then men would take a superficial approach.
He always hopes to bypass the mind and engage the heart.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2008,17:36) Do you think that David himself will be raised to rule again from Jerusalem?
When you read the scripture for what it is saying (if words and language mean anything), it sure sounds like David will reign.Are we putting Jesus into this prophesy because of the NT? What if the NT never existed? How would we read it then?
Hi mandy,
It does exist and a wise storeman can take good things, new and old, out of his storehouse.
The OT cannot be fully understood except by Christ and the NTQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2008,08:00) The OT cannot be fully understood except by Christ and the NT
What about Moses and Abe and other's? Were they not able to understand God without the NT and without the Son? Did they not understand their Law?Hi mandy,
No.
They did not fully understand1Peter 1
7That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:8Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
Quote (Mandy @ Mar. 08 2008,16:39) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 08 2008,11:07) The following scripture tells of the Messiah's dominion forever: Quote
Ezekiel 37:22
And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
37:23
Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
37:24
And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
37:25
And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
37:26
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
37:27
My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
37:28
And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
Really? See, I see it talking about David not Jesus. Where is Jesus in this passage?When does his dominion start? Has it started already? Will it start when he returns? The Bible doesn't seem to say but certainly those things that the passage is talking about have not come to pass?
Hi Mandy:Jesus is born of the seed of David after the flesh. God promised David that He would raise up someone from his seed to rule over Israel. Jesus is that person and he is ruling on the throne of David over the house of Israel from the time that he was resurrected even until now.
Quote 1:3
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
1:4
And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:Quote 2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. Quote 1 Chron. 22:9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, F164 and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days. 10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever. Quote 1 Chron. 28:6 And he said unto me, Solomon thy son, he shall build my house and my courts: for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father. 7 Moreover I will establish his kingdom for ever, if he be constant F198 to do my commandments and my judgments, as at this day. Quote Isaiah 11
1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove F64 with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Quote Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. Quote Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Quote Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. 25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. 29 Men and brethren, let me F4 freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that
of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.I hope this helps. God Bless.
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