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Quote (david @ April 09 2010,19:01) Mark 12:1-10 Also, he started to speak to them with illustrations: “A man planted a vineyard, and put a fence around it, and dug a vat for the winepress and erected a tower, and let it out to cultivators, and traveled abroad. 2 Now in due season he sent forth a slave to the cultivators, that he might get some of the fruits of the vineyard from the cultivators. 3 But they took him, beat him up and sent him away empty. 4 And again he sent forth another slave to them; and that one they struck on the head and dishonored. 5 And he sent forth another, and that one they killed; and many others, some of whom they beat up and some of whom they killed. 6 One more he had, a beloved son. He sent him forth last to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 7 But those cultivators said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ 8 So they took him and killed him, and threw him outside the vineyard. 9 What will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the cultivators, and will give the vineyard to others. 10 Did YOU never read this scripture, ‘The stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone.
God is usually portrayed as the owner, and Jesus the heir. (Of course, there are places where Jesus is called our owner of US, Jude 3)
Quote Jesus Himself is our inheritance. GALATIANS 3:29
“Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.”JAMES 2:5
“Listen, my beloved brothers. God chose the ones who are poor respecting the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the KINGDOM, which he promised to those who love him, did he not?”HEBREWS 11:9
“By faith he resided as an alien in the land of the promise as in a foreign land, and dwelt in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the very same promise.”HEBREWS 6:17
“In this manner God, when he purposed to demonstrate more abundantly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of his counsel, stepped in with an oath,”Are they heirs together with Christ (joint heirs) of this promised kingdom, or are they heirs of Christ, meaning they inherit Christ? Which makes sense in view of scriptures?
“and I make a covenant with YOU, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, that YOU may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom,” (LUKE 22:29,30)
MAT 25:34
“Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, YOU who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom “Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? –1 COR 6:9
flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom–1 COR 15:50
David,You commented on each and everyone of the scriptures out of their context. Paul explicitly said that we are heirs OF GOD and OF CHRIST. Is inheriting God and Christ not good enough for you? You want more!
The promises in reference to Abraham had God as the reward. God came to him and said, “I am your exceeding and great reward.” The land promise was just a foreshadow of that. Salvation and God and Christ are the real possession. You expect something in addition to an “exceeding and great reward?”
The correct understanding of some passages you invoked:
Mark 12:1-10: Christ is the Son heir
Galatians 3:29: The promise is salvation. Nothing is said about our sharing in Christ's possessions.
James 2:5: We are “heirs” of the kingdom in the same sense as Abraham was “heir of the world,” that is, the Gentiles.
Rom. 4:13-19:
Quote 13 For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, 15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.”Paul clearly meant in reference to Abraham that he was to be an heir of the world IN the persons of his believing progeny. He became the “father of many nations” (the gentiles). We also will inherit the kingdom IN the persons of our believing progeny.
None of the remaining scriptures you invoked support the idea that we will inherit that which truly and solely belongs to Christ. Again, we are heirs of the kingdom in the same sense that Abraham was heir of the world (the gentiles).We inherit the kingdom NOW and even after we leave this earth IN the persons of our believing progeny. But when we get to heaven we will have the Father and the Son. We will be made into Christ's image. This will be enough!
Christ inherited the kingdom for Himself. We will inherit the kingdom IN the persons of our believing progeny FOR CHRIST!
John said that our hope is to see Him as He is and to be made like Him, 1 John 3
Who would want anything more in this life than to have believing progeny who love God and Christ? Who would want anything more in heaven than to have God and Christ?
You guys will say anything to reduce Jesus to your level even if it means robbing Him of the possessions that are solely His own.
Besides, don't you believe that only 144,000 will gain something?
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ April 10 2010,08:03) Quote (david @ April 09 2010,19:01) Mark 12:1-10 Also, he started to speak to them with illustrations: “A man planted a vineyard, and put a fence around it, and dug a vat for the winepress and erected a tower, and let it out to cultivators, and traveled abroad. 2 Now in due season he sent forth a slave to the cultivators, that he might get some of the fruits of the vineyard from the cultivators. 3 But they took him, beat him up and sent him away empty. 4 And again he sent forth another slave to them; and that one they struck on the head and dishonored. 5 And he sent forth another, and that one they killed; and many others, some of whom they beat up and some of whom they killed. 6 One more he had, a beloved son. He sent him forth last to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 7 But those cultivators said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ 8 So they took him and killed him, and threw him outside the vineyard. 9 What will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the cultivators, and will give the vineyard to others. 10 Did YOU never read this scripture, ‘The stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone.
God is usually portrayed as the owner, and Jesus the heir. (Of course, there are places where Jesus is called our owner of US, Jude 3)
Quote Jesus Himself is our inheritance. GALATIANS 3:29
“Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.”JAMES 2:5
“Listen, my beloved brothers. God chose the ones who are poor respecting the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the KINGDOM, which he promised to those who love him, did he not?”HEBREWS 11:9
“By faith he resided as an alien in the land of the promise as in a foreign land, and dwelt in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the very same promise.”HEBREWS 6:17
“In this manner God, when he purposed to demonstrate more abundantly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of his counsel, stepped in with an oath,”Are they heirs together with Christ (joint heirs) of this promised kingdom, or are they heirs of Christ, meaning they inherit Christ? Which makes sense in view of scriptures?
“and I make a covenant with YOU, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, that YOU may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom,” (LUKE 22:29,30)
MAT 25:34
“Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, YOU who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom “Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? –1 COR 6:9
flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom–1 COR 15:50
David,You commented on each and everyone of the scriptures out of their context. Paul explicitly said that we are heirs OF GOD and OF CHRIST. Is inheriting God and Christ not good enough for you? You want more!
The promises in reference to Abraham had God as the reward. God came to him and said, “I am your exceeding and great reward.” The land promise was just a foreshadow of that. Salvation and God and Christ are the real possession. You expect something in addition to an “exceeding and great reward?”
The correct understanding of some passages you invoked:
Mark 12:1-10: Christ is the Son heir
Galatians 3:29: The promise is salvation. Nothing is said about our sharing in Christ's possessions.
James 2:5: We are “heirs” of the kingdom in the same sense as Abraham was “heir of the world,” that is, the Gentiles.
Rom. 4:13-19:
Quote 13 For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, 15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.”Paul clearly meant in reference to Abraham that he was to be an heir of the world IN the persons of his believing progeny. He became the “father of many nations” (the gentiles). We also will inherit the kingdom IN the persons of our believing progeny.
None of the remaining scriptures you invoked support the idea that we will inherit that which truly and solely belongs to Christ. Again, we are heirs of the kingdom in the same sense that Abraham was heir of the world (the gentiles).We inherit the kingdom NOW and even after we leave this earth IN the persons of our believing progeny. But when we get to heaven we will have the Father and the Son. We will be made into Christ's image. This will be enough!
Christ inherited the kingdom for Himself. We will inherit the kingdom IN the persons of our believing progeny FOR CHRIST!
John said that our hope is to see Him as He is and to be made like Him, 1 John 3
Who would want anything more in this life than to have believing progeny who love God and Christ? Who would want anything more in heaven than to have God and Christ?
You guys will say anything to reduce Jesus to your level even if it means robbing Him of the possessions that are solely His own.
Besides, don't you believe that only 144,000 will gain something?
thinker
TTif it is written you do not believe it ,you challenge it .
if it is not written you teach it TRINITY ,so whats the point all your argument end up in oxymorons
Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2010,09:41) Quote (thethinker @ April 10 2010,08:03) Quote (david @ April 09 2010,19:01) Mark 12:1-10 Also, he started to speak to them with illustrations: “A man planted a vineyard, and put a fence around it, and dug a vat for the winepress and erected a tower, and let it out to cultivators, and traveled abroad. 2 Now in due season he sent forth a slave to the cultivators, that he might get some of the fruits of the vineyard from the cultivators. 3 But they took him, beat him up and sent him away empty. 4 And again he sent forth another slave to them; and that one they struck on the head and dishonored. 5 And he sent forth another, and that one they killed; and many others, some of whom they beat up and some of whom they killed. 6 One more he had, a beloved son. He sent him forth last to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 7 But those cultivators said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ 8 So they took him and killed him, and threw him outside the vineyard. 9 What will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the cultivators, and will give the vineyard to others. 10 Did YOU never read this scripture, ‘The stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone.
God is usually portrayed as the owner, and Jesus the heir. (Of course, there are places where Jesus is called our owner of US, Jude 3)
Quote Jesus Himself is our inheritance. GALATIANS 3:29
“Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.”JAMES 2:5
“Listen, my beloved brothers. God chose the ones who are poor respecting the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the KINGDOM, which he promised to those who love him, did he not?”HEBREWS 11:9
“By faith he resided as an alien in the land of the promise as in a foreign land, and dwelt in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the very same promise.”HEBREWS 6:17
“In this manner God, when he purposed to demonstrate more abundantly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of his counsel, stepped in with an oath,”Are they heirs together with Christ (joint heirs) of this promised kingdom, or are they heirs of Christ, meaning they inherit Christ? Which makes sense in view of scriptures?
“and I make a covenant with YOU, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, that YOU may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom,” (LUKE 22:29,30)
MAT 25:34
“Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, YOU who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom “Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? –1 COR 6:9
flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom–1 COR 15:50
David,You commented on each and everyone of the scriptures out of their context. Paul explicitly said that we are heirs OF GOD and OF CHRIST. Is inheriting God and Christ not good enough for you? You want more!
The promises in reference to Abraham had God as the reward. God came to him and said, “I am your exceeding and great reward.” The land promise was just a foreshadow of that. Salvation and God and Christ are the real possession. You expect something in addition to an “exceeding and great reward?”
The correct understanding of some passages you invoked:
Mark 12:1-10: Christ is the Son heir
Galatians 3:29: The promise is salvation. Nothing is said about our sharing in Christ's possessions.
James 2:5: We are “heirs” of the kingdom in the same sense as Abraham was “heir of the world,” that is, the Gentiles.
Rom. 4:13-19:
Quote 13 For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, 15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.”Paul clearly meant in reference to Abraham that he was to be an heir of the world IN the persons of his believing progeny. He became the “father of many nations” (the gentiles). We also will inherit the kingdom IN the persons of our believing progeny.
None of the remaining scriptures you invoked support the idea that we will inherit that which truly and solely belongs to Christ. Again, we are heirs of the kingdom in the same sense that Abraham was heir of the world (the gentiles).We inherit the kingdom NOW and even after we leave this earth IN the persons of our believing progeny. But when we get to heaven we will have the Father and the Son. We will be made into Christ's image. This will be enough!
Christ inherited the kingdom for Himself. We will inherit the kingdom IN the persons of our believing progeny FOR CHRIST!
John said that our hope is to see Him as He is and to be made like Him, 1 John 3
Who would want anything more in this life than to have believing progeny who love God and Christ? Who would want anything more in heaven than to have God and Christ?
You guys will say anything to reduce Jesus to your level even if it means robbing Him of the possessions that are solely His own.
Besides, don't you believe that only 144,000 will gain something?
thinker
TTif it is written you do not believe it ,you challenge it .
if it is not written you teach it TRINITY ,so whats the point all your argument end up in oxymorons
t,My post was addressed to David who is educated.
thinker
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 09 2010,23:12) Kerwin………Jesus plainly dealt with what bodies we will have when resurrected a body just like the body he had and has, when accused of being a Ghost or Spirit , after he came through the door unto the Apostles he replied he was NOT a SPIRIT because he said a Spirit does not Have FLESH AND BONE, as HE HAD. Jesus with this body appeared and disappeared and went up into the heavens with it. I also believe we shall be resurrected with physical Bodies of some kind Like the Angles. A soul without a body can not exist, A soul is a Body + Spirit in it. Jesus said don't fear them that can kill the body and after that can do nothing else, but fear him who can destroy (BOTH) Body and Soul (Where) in the GRAVE (hell). See how a Soul consists of (BOTH) a BODY and a SPIRIT. You can nit be a LIVING SOUL without a BODY and SPIRIT. IMO peace and love…………..gene
Since you believe a soul cannot exist without a body then what is you explanation of the phantasm of Samuel that the Witch of Endor summoned up to speak to King Saul, 1Samuel 28:19-28?The body and soul are destroyed in Gehenna which is called the lake of fire and not in Hades which is called the grave. I looked at the Greek since translators mistaken translate both to hell; which I believe is the Norse equivalent to Greek Tartartas.
Do you know anything different?
Quote (kerwin @ April 09 2010,16:56) Angels are not human beings but seem instead to be a variety of different beings.
Hi Kerwin,I'm not an expert and can't say I know for sure, but are angels men? I think they are spirit creatures and will look into it. Do they have bodies? Please show scriptures that supports both.
And I don't understand how Deut that you quoted has anything at all to do with seeing God. Please explain your point.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (WorshippingJesus @ April 10 2010,05:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 08 2010,22:34) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 09 2010,13:54) Any subject, the Holy Spirit is my favorite.
Hi WJ,Why not put your two cents in the “why two thrones” topic, then?
peace and love,
mike
MikeWe already have a debate, when we are done I will take it up with you!
WJ
Hi WJ,Our debate hasn't stopped you from putting in your two cents anywhere else. Why now?
peace and love,
mikeQuote (thethinker @ April 10 2010,07:17) Mike, You are asking me to do your research for you. I don't have the time to look up the word “Christ” in every instance when it is genetive and see how it is translated. Come on! It is clearly genetive in Romans 8 as also the word “God” is genetive. I gave you two literal translations. What more do you want?
Hi Thinker,That's great news!
I know you enough now to know that means:1. There are other instances.
2. You know about them.
3. You don't want to share because it will deflate you current stand on who inherits what.
Don't worry, I was going to do the research anyway. I just thought I'd give you a chance to be honest. I apologize for that last comment in advance if I find nothing, but I don't think that will be the case, do you?
Peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2010,11:36) Quote (thethinker @ April 10 2010,07:17) Mike, You are asking me to do your research for you. I don't have the time to look up the word “Christ” in every instance when it is genetive and see how it is translated. Come on! It is clearly genetive in Romans 8 as also the word “God” is genetive. I gave you two literal translations. What more do you want?
Hi Thinker,That's great news!
I know you enough now to know that means:1. There are other instances.
2. You know about them.
3. You don't want to share because it will deflate you current stand on who inherits what.
Don't worry, I was going to do the research anyway. I just thought I'd give you a chance to be honest. I apologize for that last comment in advance if I find nothing, but I don't think that will be the case, do you?
Peace and love,
mike
Mike,What are you talking about? I don't know about all other instances because I have not delved into the name “Christ” everywhere it is used in the genetive. Why would it matter? Paul says nothing about our inheriting anything Christ owns in Romans 8.
Chapters 5-8 are about salvation.
thinker
MikeBoll64,
Genesis 19:1-3(NIV) reads:
Quote The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.” But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate.As you can see they ate and so passed one of the tests that Jesus proposed to prove they were not phantasms, i.e. spirits with no physical reality.
Genesis 19:9-11(NIV) reads:
Quote “Get out of our way,” they replied. And they said, “This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door. But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.
I reaching out and pulling Lot back into the house they passed another test Jesus proposed to determine they has a physical presence. That was the test of touch.
Genesis 19:12-13(NIV) reads:
Quote The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”
Scripture calls these two angels, who passed the tests Jesus proposed to prove they have a physical presence, men.
I doubt these two angels are human beings but rather they only resemble human beings. Angels come in other forms and varieties so it appears angels is a generic class of being that seems to include many races that are each equivalent to the human race. The Cerebrum are an example of a non-manlike angel.
I can also show you where an angel with a physical reality is still unseen by a human being. In that case the Ass does see the angel even though the humans do not. The is the case of Balaam of Beor.
The passage I quoted from God appears to be where you obtained the idea that no human being can see God and live. The passage does not actually speak of seeing God but of hearing him and dying because of ones sins.
Another possibility is Exodus 19:20-24 but even in it there are exceptions to the rule.
Quote (thethinker @ April 10 2010,12:14) What are you talking about? I don't know about all other instances because I have not delved into the name “Christ” everywhere it is used in the genetive. Why would it matter?
Hi Thinker,My thought is this…. If there are other instances that Christ was genetive, but is translated as “with” to make sense of the Scripture, I want to know. I want to find an example of the genetive form of Christ where the word “of” would make absolutely no sense at all. I think there might be something in the Greek language – some kind of rule like the Hebrew “plural of majesty” thing- that says the word Christ, while being genetive, is not correctly translated as “of”. If there is, that means you knew about it, and purposely withheld it for selfish reasons.
Maybe I'm wrong, but wish me happy hunting, won't you?
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 09 2010,19:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 10 2010,05:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 08 2010,22:34) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 09 2010,13:54) Any subject, the Holy Spirit is my favorite.
Hi WJ,Why not put your two cents in the “why two thrones” topic, then?
peace and love,
mike
MikeWe already have a debate, when we are done I will take it up with you!
WJ
Hi WJ,Our debate hasn't stopped you from putting in your two cents anywhere else. Why now?
peace and love,
mike
MikeBecause I am not bound to respond to anything and everything, and I do not require that of anyone else.
I have put no time limits on you in the debates thread and I hope you do not expect that of me. Is that alright with you?
There are hundreds of post we have to respond to and it can be very time consuming trying to answer all of these false teachers! Jack and Paul and I are at least out numbered two to one here.
It would be a lot more productive if we didn't have to defend ourselves against the lame accusations and immature diatribe coming at us like an annoying badger with no substance or dialogue of any value!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 10 2010,12:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 09 2010,19:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 10 2010,05:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 08 2010,22:34) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 09 2010,13:54) Any subject, the Holy Spirit is my favorite.
Hi WJ,Why not put your two cents in the “why two thrones” topic, then?
peace and love,
mike
MikeWe already have a debate, when we are done I will take it up with you!
WJ
Hi WJ,Our debate hasn't stopped you from putting in your two cents anywhere else. Why now?
peace and love,
mike
MikeBecause I am not bound to respond to anything and everything, and I do not require that of anyone else.
I have put no time limits on you in the debates thread and I hope you do not expect that of me. Is that alright with you?
There are hundreds of post we have to respond to and it can be very time consuming trying to answer all of these false teachers! Jack and Paul and I are at least out numbered two to one here.
It would be a lot more productive if we didn't have to defend ourselves against the lame accusations and immature diatribe coming at us like an annoying badger with no substance or dialogue of any value!
WJ
MikeWJ just calls you false teacher ,read is quote
Quote It would be a lot more productive if we didn't have to defend ourselves against the lame accusations and immature diatribe coming at us like an annoying badger with no substance or dialogue of any value! Does anyone esle find humor in this statement.
POK,
Absolutely right. Yes, it would be great for them.I asked WJ why he doesn't just post less, select the topic more judiscously and ignore the, um, temptation, to join in even a juicy looking anti-trinitarian rant.
Hey, let yourself be wronged rather than lose your soul debating with an inconsistent adversary.
When I did that with Is 1:18, he claimed I was running away from Is1's mastery [of false doctrine].
Quote (terraricca @ April 08 2010,20:23) Quote (kerwin @ April 08 2010,21:02) The Thinker & MikeBolt, Romans 8:17 does not appear to be the best scripture to solve a debate as experts in Greek disagree on the exact wording. Arguing over it will get you nowhere. Why don't you look elsewhere for a solution to your disagreement if there is one.
For example I agree with The Thinker that Jesus is still a human being since 1 Timothy 2:5 states just that. I would anyways as scriture states Jesus was resurected and not transformed into a different type of being.
Resurected means returned to life.
KWJesus is no longer a human being.that is a fact.
wen his purpose to fulfill the works of God on earth was done he stopped to be a human ,he only became human for that purpose.
after dead he regain his position that he ad before he came as human.read the scriptures and understand them.
That is what you state but you have yet to provide scripture that actually states that.Kerwin………I agree with you on this Jesus plainly said He had flesh and bone after he was resurected and was seen going up into heaven with this same body. A Soul (individual Person) can not exist with out a Body with Spirit (IN) it. Even angles have bodies and God creates their Spirits and gives it to them. The teaching that we will continue to exist without a body is simply pagan teachings and can not be proven from scriptures. IMO
peace and love……………………gene
Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2010,13:08) Mike WJ just calls you false teacher ,read is quote
Hi Terra,I don't think that was meant toward me, but I could be wrong. Anyway, I don't want the title of teacher at all. I'm an infant barely getting ready for solid food at this point. It is the Scriptures that teach, especially the words of our Wonderful Counselor, Jesus Christ and the words of his Father, our only true God.
peace and love,
mike
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