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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,12:34) Hi t,
It takes time and patience as we build, and pull down and rebuild according to new given light.
Carnal insights and speculations slowly give way to what aligns in Scripture.
nickthis is her comment;We do not define Christ as the One True God, but the MAN of the promise who came in the FLESH. When we take a verse or chapter that is speaking specifically of Christ Jesus and we define that person as something other then a MAN in the FLESH, we create an ANTICHRIST doctrine. The scripture above is speaking of the MAN Christ, it is not speaking about a God who temporarily gave up his life as a God to became a man. The above is speaking about a man who was given God's powers, and as such he was seen by people as being a god in a man's body. The man who was in the form of God but was truly a man, did not use the powers of God that were given to him for himself. Instead he was a SERVANT, even dying on the cross for us. The MAN Jesus who had even been given the powers to raise the dead, did not use his powers ONCE for his own gain. Let this mind that was in the MAN Jesus also be in those who receive the great gifts of God's Spirit.
correct me if i see it wrong;she denys the preexistance of Christ by her comment yes or no???
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,15:19) Hi t,
Yes strong opinions abound in this murky area.
nicki would have no problem if they would say “i believe “that and that.
but if you show scriptures otherwise even Christ himself says it ,
this is a rejection of what scriptures are saying ,and by doing this it is denying that Christ is the son of God,
because the message is not ours it is Christ message if we change it, it is now ours we proclaim to others, and so Christ will not recognize your message as his.
read ;PAUL
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2010,16:57) Hi Irene,
She loves the Word and like all of us is right in some of what she aligns.
Nobody is perfect.
NHStop being partial!
You never give credit to Jack or myself for anything ever!
WJ
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,21:40) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,18:10) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,01:47) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,17:22) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,00:54) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,16:27)
EdWho is the “I” here…?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:11
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,It's obviously the “I” is the “HolySpirit” because of verse 9…
Rev.3:9 Behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.Notice the similarity to this verse…
Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee;
and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet;
and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.Rev 3:9 is further indemnified by Psalm 110:1-2
Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD(יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord(יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),
Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength(HolySpirit) out of Zion:
rule thou(HolySpirit) in the midst of thine enemies.OK; do you now see “I” in Rev.3:11 is refering to the “HolySpirit”?
If you still don't than ask a follow up question regarding Rev.3:11.Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDSo the Holy Spirit is coming quickly?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God“, and he shall go no more out: and “I” will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and my new name. Rev 3:12
Who is speaking here ED? How can the “I” in verse 11 be the Holy Spirit?
You are in outer space man! Tell you what. I choose not to dialogue any longer with you because your are so far out there I do not want to waste my time.
So please do not waste your time on me!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,I took the liberty of cutting out the irrelevance to our discussion.
As long as you are willing to engage me in a “serious” dialog it's NOT a waste of my time!Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 21 2010,15:49) I have extended this offer to BOTH you and Katjo before,
but you seem to drop the ball and discontinue the dialog with me?
Do you want to continue our discussion, with me addressing Rev.3:12 or no?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdNo I do not want to discuss verse 12 with you for I am sure I will not agree.
But thanks for your time and for the link to Melissa Scott.
I like her! I am sure she would not agree with your view of the Holy Spirit!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,Glad you enjoy Mellisa. Her late husband (Dr. Gene Scott) was an even better teacher. Click here
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDHe may be a good teacher, but I remember when I first seen him on TV years ago, probably in the early 80s, he was sitting in a chair smoking cigars and using vulgar language.
He told one caller that if his wife didnt agree with him to tithe that he should dump her.
Heard it with my own ears and was shocked! I have also heard teaching of his using the F word like a sailor.
His wife seems to be totally different and definatly is a very knowledgable and gifted teacher of the word!
Blessings WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,00:11) Hi WJ,
Which God do you serve?
NHWhich God does Jodi, or anyone else on this board serve, do you know? Can you see their hearts and lives?
I serve the Lord Jesus Christ.
How about you?
WJ
Mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2010,13:13) Now don't you feel bad for degrading me because I'm not a Bible scholar?
And have you found any flaws in the NWT translations I've used yet?
First of all why would you try to make me feel bad for something I have not done, or at least am not aware of? Please show me where I have “degraded” you because you are not a scholar.My comments to you are about you thinking you know more than scholars is a matter of fact and not meant to degrade you but to help you see your error for rejecting something you may not understand.
Secondly, are you trying to prove the NWT has no errors? I have already explained to you that every thing the devil says may have some truth. It is a fact that the NWT is rejected by the Christian world and by most Biblical Hebrew and Greek Scholars as being a total whack job as far as Translation.
Now lets get to the subject at hand. This is a short answer for lack of time!
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2010,13:13) Revelation 21 NWT says: Quote And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. You are mistaken, my friend. Jehovah Himself is coming to dwell among mankind. And Rev 21:5-8 is Jehovah talking. In the rest of 21 and the beginning of 22, the angel talks and shows John New Jerusalem. Then Jehovah talks again. Jesus doesn't talk again until 22:16.
The scripture says …coming down out of heaven from God…Do you see that the New Jerusalem is coming down from God.
The Father is already here dwelling in his people.
God is already here by his Spirit. Our Bodies are the Temple of God, or the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor 6:16, 19, 20
Both the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit have come to make residence in us. Matt 28:19, John 14:23, John 14:7, 2 Cor 13:5
The scriptures you quote is the future after the “physical” return of Jesus when he shall subject the Kingdom and himself back to the Father (for this reason) that God may be all in all! 1 Cor 15:24-28
I challenge you to show just one NT scripture that says the Father will physically return to this earth. The passages you quote does not say the Father is coming but that Gods tent dwell with them. Its already the end after Jesus Physical return to the earth.
“And, behold, I come quickly“; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Rev 22:13, 14
What you are saying is the Father is returning quickly with rewards for Gods people. Clearly this is Jesus speaking because of the language.
The language is identical to the language here…
“Behold, I come quickly“: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:11
We know this is Jesus speaking.
You yourself have said that “Alpha and Omega”, “First and Last” can apply to Jesus and the Father, I agree for they are one.
So believe as you will about the passage, but the evidence IMO tells us it is Jesus speaking in Rev 22:13, 14
After all Jesus said “all judgment” is given to him. John 5:22, 27
Jesus will give the rewards…
“For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels“; and then **HE SHALL REWARD EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS**. Matt 16:27
Compare…
“And, behold, I come quickly“; **AND MY REWARD IS WITH ME, TO GIVE EVERY MAN ACCORDING AS HIS WORK SHALL BE**. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Rev 22:13, 14
Jesus is the one we look for, he is our Blessed Hope!
”while we wait for the blessed hope-the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ”, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and “to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good”. Tit 2:13, 14
By the way, this is one of those verses that the JWs totally corrupted.
So believe as you will about the passage, but the evidence IMO tells us it is Jesus speaking in Rev 22:13, 14
Blessings WJ
BTW Mike, the last verse in the chapter also puts the nail in the coffin…
He which testifieth these things saith, “SURELY I COME QUICKLY. Amen. “EVEN SO, COME, LORD JESUS”. Rev 22:20
Checkmate!
Blessings WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2010,13:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,14:35) I am still waiting for an attribute the Father has that Jesus doesn't have?
Hi WJ,I already gave you the Almighty attribute, which Jesus doesn't share. Here's some more.
1. God has no beginning and no end. Jesus was caused to exist and he died. Now I know you are going to twist Scriptures about Jesus' beginning, so don't bother. Deal with the fact that Jesus died. Jehovah never died.
2. God can place Jesus' enemies under his feet. Can Jesus place Jehovah's enemies under His feet?
3. Jesus was begotten. Even if you follow your brother Jack and think that begotten means placed in a certain “office” or “position”, can you tell me where the Scriptures say Jehovah was begotten?
4. Jehovah is Jesus' Father. Is Jesus Jehovah's Father?
5 Everything Jesus has was given to him by the Father. Did Jesus give Jehovah everything He has?
I've got lots more, but we'll start with these. Happy Scripture hunting, Keith.
peace and love,
mike
MikeDo you know what “Attributes” mean?
What the Father does may be because of his attributes but they are not attributes.
Attributes
a quality or characteristic that someone or something has…Eternal
Faithfulness
Foreknows
Good
Holy
Immutable
Impartial
Incomprehensible
Infinite
Justice
Longsuffering
Love
Omnipotent
Omnipresent
OmniscientRighteous
Self-existent
Self-sufficient
Sovereign
Transcendent
Truth
Wise
WrathThese are a few, and while we as humans share some of these though mostly in a limited way, God has all of these and more in an infinite way.
Infinite in Love, infinite in Power, infinite in Truth, etc.
Again, I ask you, can you give me an attribute of God the Father that Jesus does not have? Then prove it with scripture!
It has to be scripturally unambiguous!
In other words, if it looks like a horse and smells like a horse and runs like a horse and sounds like a horse, then it is a horse!
The question is an attribute that the “Father has” not what Jesus has, seeing that he came in the likeness of sinful flesh!
Try again.
Blessings WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 22 2010,17:22) Mike Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2010,13:13) Now don't you feel bad for degrading me because I'm not a Bible scholar?
And have you found any flaws in the NWT translations I've used yet?
First of all why would you try to make me feel bad for something I have not done, or at least am not aware of? Please show me where I have “degraded” you because you are not a scholar.My comments to you are about you thinking you know more than scholars is a matter of fact and not meant to degrade you but to help you see your error for rejecting something you may not understand.
Secondly, are you trying to prove the NWT has no errors? I have already explained to you that every thing the devil says may have some truth. It is a fact that the NWT is rejected by the Christian world and by most Biblical Hebrew and Greek Scholars as being a total whack job as far as Translation.
Now lets get to the subject at hand. This is a short answer for lack of time!
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2010,13:13) Revelation 21 NWT says: Quote And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. You are mistaken, my friend. Jehovah Himself is coming to dwell among mankind. And Rev 21:5-8 is Jehovah talking. In the rest of 21 and the beginning of 22, the angel talks and shows John New Jerusalem. Then Jehovah talks again. Jesus doesn't talk again until 22:16.
The scripture says …coming down out of heaven from God…Do you see that the New Jerusalem is coming down from God.
The Father is already here dwelling in his people.
God is already here by his Spirit. Our Bodies are the Temple of God, or the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor 6:16, 19, 20
Both the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit have come to make residence in us. Matt 28:19, John 14:23, John 14:7, 2 Cor 13:5
The scriptures you quote is the future after the “physical” return of Jesus when he shall subject the Kingdom and himself back to the Father (for this reason) that God may be all in all! 1 Cor 15:24-28
I challenge you to show just one NT scripture that says the Father will physically return to this earth. The passages you quote does not say the Father is coming but that Gods tent dwell with them. Its already the end after Jesus Physical return to the earth.
“And, behold, I come quickly“; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Rev 22:13, 14
What you are saying is the Father is returning quickly with rewards for Gods people. Clearly this is Jesus speaking because of the language.
The language is identical to the language here…
“Behold, I come quickly“: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:11
We know this is Jesus speaking.
You yourself have said that “Alpha and Omega”, “First and Last” can apply to Jesus and the Father, I agree for they are one.
So believe as you will about the passage, but the evidence IMO tells us it is Jesus speaking in Rev 22:13, 14
After all Jesus said “all judgment” is given to him. John 5:22, 27
Jesus will give the rewards…
“For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels“; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Matt 16:27
Compare…
“And, behold, I come quickly“; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Rev 22:13, 14
Jesus is the one we look for, he is our Blessed Hope!
”while we wait for the blessed hope-the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ”, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and “to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good”. Tit 2:13, 14
By the way, this is one of those verses that the JWs totally corrupted.
So believe as you will about the passage, but the evidence IMO tells us it is Jesus speaking in Rev 22:13, 14
Blessings WJ
WJ
i have to say what is true and you right it is Jesus in Rev22but were i disagree with you it still is the trinity,
but apart of that you do not understand i believe ;Mt 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Mt 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mt 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”it is understood in the scriptures that God is all power and spirit,
Jesus is his Son and THE WORD OF GOD, IT EVEN LOOKS LIKE HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAVE SEEN GOD,
the holy spirit is not a being but a characteristic of God spirit compered to our spirit who is not holy but should become holy in time and with the knowledge given by Jesus and is apostles,THIS IS WHY IT SAYS TO BAPTISE IN TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD THE FATHER AND OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE SON AND OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF HOLY SPIRIT, BECAUSE THIS IS THE KNOWLEDGE THAT BRING US TO BE SEEN A LIVE IN THE EYES OF GOD.
IT IS ALL ABOUT TO KNOW GOD AND THE ONE HE AS SEND,
SO THAT AT THE END GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.
THERE ARE MORE SCRIPTURE BUT IT IS LATE SO IF YOU WANT MORE WE CAN CONTINUE LATER.
Hi WJ,
It's late and I'm tired, so this will be short.
You said:
Quote Please show me where I have “degraded” you because you are not a scholar. Please! “Millions who know more about Scripture than you.”
“You're just mad because Jack's cleaning your clock with his superior Scriptural knowledge” (These are paraphrases)You said:
Quote Secondly, are you trying to prove the NWT has no errors? I'm showing you that the Scriptures are translated to mean the same thing as your favorite Bible, with very few exceptions. And even in the ones that differ, how do you know which translation is the correct one? Much from the Hebrew and Greek can be translated various ways. I see footnotes saying, “or, it could mean…..” all the time in various Bibles.
Quote And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he WILL reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself WILL be with them. Why the word “will” if God already resides on earth with us? And do you see the “with that”? It is when New Jerusalem descends to earth that God “moves into” His city. He doesn't reside on earth now, sir. He has so distanced Himself from mankind that we can't even approach Him in prayer unless we go through His mediator, Jesus Christ.
I very much respect the IMO's on your part. Kudos. But IMO, the fact that the speaker refers to Himself as Alpha and Omega, etc. is enough proof for me that it is Jehovah. Jesus is not God, but His “right hand man”.
Hi WJ,
Would you like me to word them as “attributes” for you?
1. The attribute of being from everlasting to everlasting.
2. The attribute of the enormous power it would take to put all enemies under both His Son and Himself.
3. The attribute of being the only being in existence that wasn't created or begotten.
4. The attribute of having an only begotten Son.
5. The attribute of being the only being in existence who never needed anything to be given to Him.
Stop playing word games and start showing me the Scriptures.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2010,01:17) Hi WJ, It's late and I'm tired, so this will be short.
You said:
Quote Please show me where I have “degraded” you because you are not a scholar.
Please! “Millions who know more about Scripture than you.”
“You're just mad because Jack's cleaning your clock with his superior Scriptural knowledge” (These are paraphrases)
MikeCome on, there is nothing in my words that shows me degrading you for not being a scholar. Do you see the word scholar? Here is what happened, you originally posted…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2010,00:03) Hi Thinker,
The Bible does not teach a trinity God, men do. Don't try to make your doctrine “true” by insinuating that true believers deny what is due to Jesus Christ.peace and love,
mike
Remember that statement? So I said…Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 18 2010,01:37)
MikeSo you say, but millions of believers disagree with you who know far more about the scriptures than you do!
WJ
Then later after some exchange about the corrupted NWT and how none of the Translators could read a single Hebrew or Greek sentence you inferred that I was worshipping the world renowned Greek Scholar AT Robertson and making him a fourth person of the Godhead. You said…Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 20 2010,12:56) Hi WJ, Listen to you!
You sound like someone who “worships” the great AT Robertson. He is a man, not a fourth in your Godhead! “A bunch of unknowns”? What are you, a groupie of AT Robertson or something? Is he the only man on the planet that speaks Greek and Hebrew?
In which I responded…Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 20 2010,13:02) Mike I only use AT Robertson as an example of the many thousands because he is a renowned Greek Scholar world wide.
Why do you defend the NWT that was translated by a bunch of no names that could not read a single Hebrew or Greek sentence?
None of the Translating committee had a single degree in Biblical Hebrew or Greek! Hello!
But use that faulty translation all you want and it will cost you when Jack or myself show you their corruption!
Blessings WJ
By the Way, why is it that the NWT is not found on Biblegateway.com or Blueleterbible.org. You should stick with credible translations!
Now you want me to feel ashamed for degrading you for not being a scholar, when all I was trying to do is to show you that millions disagree with you and especially the JW’s NWT which is rejected by most Hebrew and Greek scholarship! You laugh when I say the NWT translating committee is a “bunch of unknowns” who was in no way eligible to translate scriptures. All this was in response to your circular statement in which you inferred that the Trinitarians were not “True believers” which would mean that the Majority of Christianity that is doing the will of the Father in the earth who are Trinitarians are not “True Believers”! Hello! Go back and read the thread and see who has been degrading!Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2010,01:17) You said: Quote Secondly, are you trying to prove the NWT has no errors?
I'm showing you that the Scriptures are translated to mean the same thing as your favorite Bible, with very few exceptions. And even in the ones that differ, how do you know which translation is the correct one? Much from the Hebrew and Greek can be translated various ways. I see footnotes saying, “or, it could mean…..” all the time in various Bibles.
OK fine, use it. I am glad that you put trust in it!Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2010,01:17) Quote And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he WILL reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself WILL be with them. Why the word “will” if God already resides on earth with us?
Why does it say the “New Jerusalem, is coming down **OUT OF HEAVEN FROM GOD** and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.” if it is God the Father coming down from heaven?
The Body of Christ is the Temple of God, the Temple of his Spirit in which he dwells now. God is Omnipresent my friend. But there is no scripture that says the Father is coming quickly!Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2010,01:17) And do you see the “with that”? It is when New Jerusalem descends to earth that God “moves into” His city. He doesn't reside on earth now, sir. He has so distanced Himself from mankind that we can't even approach Him in prayer unless we go through His mediator, Jesus Christ.
Maybe this is your problem. You say God the Father has so distanced himself from you, but the scriptures tell us the Father, Son and Holy Spirit dwells in us now! And that if you do not have his Spirit you are none of his. Matt 28:18 – John 14:23 – 1 Cor 3:16, 17 – Rom 8:9 – 2 Cor 13:5But we are looking for the physical return of Jesus and not the Father&
#33; Tit 2:13, 14Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2010,01:17) I very much respect the IMO's on your part. Kudos. But IMO, the fact that the speaker refers to Himself as Alpha and Omega, etc. is enough proof for me that it is Jehovah. Jesus is not God, but His “right hand man”.
But you said with your own mouth…Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 20 2010,14:57) So while the Alpha and Omega in Rev can be applied to either Jesus or Jehovah in the context of Rev only, the rest of the Scriptures conclude that it MUST be applied to only Jehovah.
Fine, as I said believe as you will, but why did you ignore my following points…“And, behold, I come quickly“; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Rev 22:13, 14
What you are saying is the Father is returning quickly with rewards for Gods people. Clearly this is Jesus speaking because of the language.
The language is identical to the language here…
“Behold, I come quickly“: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:11
We know this is Jesus speaking.
Jesus said “all judgment” is given to him. John 5:22, 27
Jesus will give the rewards…
“For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels“; and then **HE SHALL REWARD EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS**. Matt 16:27
Compare…
“And, behold, I come quickly“; **AND MY REWARD IS WITH ME, TO GIVE EVERY MAN ACCORDING AS HIS WORK SHALL BE**. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Rev 22:13, 14
Jesus is the one we look for, he is our Blessed Hope!
”while we wait for the blessed hope-the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ”, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and “to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good”. Tit 2:13, 14
By the way, this is one of those verses that the JW’s totally corrupted.
So believe as you will about the passage, but the evidence (no longer my opinion but scriptural fact based on verse 20) tells us it is Jesus speaking in Rev 22:13, 14 and “20“
The last verse in the chapter also puts the nail in the coffin…
He which testifieth these things saith, “SURELY I COME QUICKLY. Amen. “EVEN SO, COME, LORD JESUS”. Rev 22:20
Checkmate!
Blessings WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2010,01:30) Hi WJ, Would you like me to word them as “attributes” for you?
1. The attribute of being from everlasting to everlasting.
2. The attribute of the enormous power it would take to put all enemies under both His Son and Himself.
3. The attribute of being the only being in existence that wasn't created or begotten.
4. The attribute of having an only begotten Son.
5. The attribute of being the only being in existence who never needed anything to be given to Him.
Stop playing word games and start showing me the Scriptures.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2010,01:30) Stop playing word games and start showing me the Scriptures.
You mean like all the ones you just showed me!Scriptures please! Then I will show you scriptures that prove Jesus has the same attributes as the Father!
Remmeber they have to be an attribute of the Father, something that God is in quality or nature and not just something he did!
Attributes
a quality or characteristic that someone or something has…Blessings WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 24 2010,18:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2010,01:30) Hi WJ, Would you like me to word them as “attributes” for you?
1. The attribute of being from everlasting to everlasting.
2. The attribute of the enormous power it would take to put all enemies under both His Son and Himself.
3. The attribute of being the only being in existence that wasn't created or begotten.
4. The attribute of having an only begotten Son.
5. The attribute of being the only being in existence who never needed anything to be given to Him.
Stop playing word games and start showing me the Scriptures.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2010,01:30) Stop playing word games and start showing me the Scriptures.
You mean like all the ones you just showed me!Scriptures please! Then I will show you scriptures that prove Jesus has the same attributes as the Father!
Remmeber they have to be an attribute of the Father, something that God is in quality or nature and not just something he did!
Attributes
a quality or characteristic that someone or something has…Blessings WJ
WJdo we not have the attribute than God ,are we not made to his image??
if we do so Should Christ,and many others.no??
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 24 2010,18:00) Mike “Behold, I come quickly“: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:11
We know this is Jesus speaking.
Blessings WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 21 2010,16:27)
EdWho is the “I” here…?
Behold, “I” come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:11
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,It's obviously the “I” is the “HolySpirit” because of verse 9; clearly talking NOT about Jesus!
Rev.3:9 Behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
behold, “I”(HolySpirit) will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.Notice the similarity to this verse…
Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee;
and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet;
and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.Rev 3:9 is further indemnified by Psalm 110:1-2
Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD(יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord(יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),
Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength(HolySpirit) out of Zion:
rule thou(HolySpirit) in the midst of thine enemies.I have provided Bible verses as PROOF to you as to why it's the “HolySpirit”!
Why do you revert to telling 'you opinion' with NO PROOF? No checkmate?Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org[/quote]WJ………Are we not told to Hear what the (SPIRIT) is SAYING. Those who have the Mind of GOD (Holy Spirit) Know the sound of the Spirit because they Have that SPIRIT(INTELLECT) IN Them. IMO
peace and love…………………gene
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,02:59) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 24 2010,18:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2010,01:30) Hi WJ, Would you like me to word them as “attributes” for you?
1. The attribute of being from everlasting to everlasting.
2. The attribute of the enormous power it would take to put all enemies under both His Son and Himself.
3. The attribute of being the only being in existence that wasn't created or begotten.
4. The attribute of having an only begotten Son.
5. The attribute of being the only being in existence who never needed anything to be given to Him.
Stop playing word games and start showing me the Scriptures.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2010,01:30) Stop playing word games and start showing me the Scriptures.
You mean like all the ones you just showed me!Scriptures please! Then I will show you scriptures that prove Jesus has the same attributes as the Father!
Remmeber they have to be an attribute of the Father, something that God is in quality or nature and not just something he did!
Attributes
a quality or characteristic that someone or something has…Blessings WJ
WJdo we not have the attribute than God ,are we not made to his image??
if we do so Should Christ,and many others.no??
TI said in an earlier post that we share some of his attributes in a “finite” way.
But Jesus has all the attributes of God in an “Infinite” way!
Blessings WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2010,13:41) Hi WJ,
Since the Jordan Jesus does nothing without the Father[ as Spirit in him] also doing.
NHWell at this time “All authority and Power and Judgment” is in Jesus hands and he is not yet subject to the Father, 1 Cor 15.
Are you still following the servant Messiah?
WJ
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