Answering jodi lee's nonsense

[Is 1:18]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 12 2010,06:05)

Hi Paul, You said: Quote In some senses they are equal, in some they are not. By affirming this I am conforming to scripture. To me, equality is equality.  If Jesus is God Almighty, he is not just equal in “some senses”. You said: Quote The Father is greater in the sense that the president is greater than the vice president. He has a higher rank/position/station but He is not greater in His being, Hebrews 1:3, Philippians 2:6 and Colossians 2:9 make this plain. It's important you understand this distinction Mike. You say that all three are equal, but one “outranks” another?  Does that really make sense to you?  And let's look at the Scriptures you mention. Heb 1:3 says, Quote 3The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. To me, this says: 1.  The Son radiates the glory of his God, just as all of God's creations do. 2.  A representation is not the original. 3.  Jesus' word is powerful because he speaks not of his own initiative, but God's words. 4.  He is now sitting at the right hand of his God, not a position of equality. Phil 2:6 says, Quote 6Who, being in very form of God,      did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 1.  Jesus was a spirit creature before coming as a man. 2.  Jesus didn't consider himself equal to God. Col 2:9 says, Quote 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 1.  The fullness of God (a being who is not Christ) dwells in Christ ( a being who is not God) You are undecided as to whether or not Paul wrote Hebrews.  To me, he seems the most sensible choice, especially considering the way Timothy is talked about toward the end.  But we agree that Paul wrote Phillipians and Colossians.  And wasn't it Paul who wrote the following Scriptures? Quote Romans 3:30 NIV since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 1 Corinthians 8:6 NIV yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. Ephesians 4:6 NIV one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. 1 Timothy 2:5 NIV For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, I don't understand how anyone can read these Scriptures and still be blind to the fact that only the Father is God, and Jesus is someone besides God.   So even if at the outset, you like the “did not consider it robbery to be equal with God” translation of Phil 2:6, after reading what else the author wrote, you would have to be dishonest with yourself to insist that translation is what Paul meant to convey. You said: Quote These comments of mine would not surprise you if you knew the doctrine as well as you should. You continue to demonstrate to me (and others) that you do not understand the doctrine of the trinity very well at all. Let's see how the inventers of the doctine put it: Quote “The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion . . . Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: ‘the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.’ In this Trinity . . . the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent.”—The Catholic Encyclopedia That pretty much sounds like my understanding of it – the one I posted for you earlier.  Yet you say I don't understand the doctrine.  Well how could I?  No one else seems to either. Quote The Encyclopedia Americana notes that the doctrine of the Trinity is considered to be “beyond the grasp of human reason.” Quote Monsignor Eugene Clark said: “God is one, and God is three. Since there is nothing like this in creation, we cannot understand it, but only accept it.” Quote Cardinal John O’Connor stated: “We know that it is a very profound mystery, which we don’t begin to understand.” Quote And Pope John Paul II spoke of “the inscrutable mystery of God the Trinity.” Quote A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge says: “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves.” You said: Quote Go and study it, if you still think it's implausible at least you have an educated opinion. Do you give me that much credit?  Can I understand what even the inventers and experts cannot? You said: Quote Let’s take this back one step. Tell me something Mike, do you acknowledge that Psalm 102:25 was written in reference to the Most High God? “ In the beginning thou, O Lord, didst lay the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.” (Ps 102:25, LXX, Brenton) Yes.  But does that mean that Jesus is now God?  No.  Now your turn.  Does Heb 1:5 apply something originally said of Solomon to Jesus?  Does that mean that Jesus is now actually Solomon? You said: Quote I did not admit an exception, I wrote “without exception”, which of course means the opposite. But then you immediately paste the quote where you admitted the exception: Quote I assert that #1 cannot be legitimate in light of the many NT verses where the Father is spoken as being “greater than” (i.e. superior in office) to the Son. After a bunch of stuff I've already answered clearly to, you said: Quote If this still isn’t clear enough for you let me know and I’ll go through your quoted passages one at a time. Please do.  Start with the ones I posted today.  One by one, explain how Paul could have wrote these and still thought Jesus was God Almighty. You said: Quote Your bolded and CAPPED “answer” was not in reality an answer at all but an excuse not to. BTW, I'm still waiting on your answer. You still haven't given me one. In what sense is the Son “LORD” to the Father? Jehovah can call Jesus Lord, because he is Lord.  And Jehovah should know, He is the One that set him up as Lord.  Clear enough yet?  Not God, not YHVH, but Lord. peace and love, mike

I'm not going to have time to answer this post before I go on holiday with my family. I'll try to get it done when I return…

Hopefully someone can continue Mike's Bible lessons in my absence? – Thethinker?, WJ?, Lightenup?

[Ed J]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 14 2010,21:12)

I'm not going to have time to answer this post before I go on holiday with my family. I'll try to get it done when I return… Hopefully someone can continue Mike's Bible lessons in my absence? – Thethinker?, WJ?, Lightenup?

Hi Isaiah 1:18,

Are you trying to 'teach Mike Boll a lesson'?

Ed J

[terraricca]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 14 2010,21:12)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 12 2010,06:05) Hi Paul, You said: Quote In some senses they are equal, in some they are not. By affirming this I am conforming to scripture. To me, equality is equality.  If Jesus is God Almighty, he is not just equal in “some senses”. You said: Quote The Father is greater in the sense that the president is greater than the vice president. He has a higher rank/position/station but He is not greater in His being, Hebrews 1:3, Philippians 2:6 and Colossians 2:9 make this plain. It's important you understand this distinction Mike. You say that all three are equal, but one “outranks” another?  Does that really make sense to you?  And let's look at the Scriptures you mention. Heb 1:3 says, Quote 3The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. To me, this says: 1.  The Son radiates the glory of his God, just as all of God's creations do. 2.  A representation is not the original. 3.  Jesus' word is powerful because he speaks not of his own initiative, but God's words. 4.  He is now sitting at the right hand of his God, not a position of equality. Phil 2:6 says, Quote 6Who, being in very form of God,      did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 1.  Jesus was a spirit creature before coming as a man. 2.  Jesus didn't consider himself equal to God. Col 2:9 says, Quote 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 1.  The fullness of God (a being who is not Christ) dwells in Christ ( a being who is not God) You are undecided as to whether or not Paul wrote Hebrews.  To me, he seems the most sensible choice, especially considering the way Timothy is talked about toward the end.  But we agree that Paul wrote Phillipians and Colossians.  And wasn't it Paul who wrote the following Scriptures? Quote Romans 3:30 NIV since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 1 Corinthians 8:6 NIV yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. Ephesians 4:6 NIV one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. 1 Timothy 2:5 NIV For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, I don't understand how anyone can read these Scriptures and still be blind to the fact that only the Father is God, and Jesus is someone besides God.   So even if at the outset, you like the “did not consider it robbery to be equal with God” translation of Phil 2:6, after reading what else the author wrote, you would have to be dishonest with yourself to insist that translation is what Paul meant to convey. You said: Quote These comments of mine would not surprise you if you knew the doctrine as well as you should. You continue to demonstrate to me (and others) that you do not understand the doctrine of the trinity very well at all. Let's see how the inventers of the doctine put it: Quote “The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion . . . Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: ‘the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.’ In this Trinity . . . the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent.”—The Catholic Encyclopedia That pretty much sounds like my understanding of it – the one I posted for you earlier.  Yet you say I don't understand the doctrine.  Well how could I?  No one else seems to either. Quote The Encyclopedia Americana notes that the doctrine of the Trinity is considered to be “beyond the grasp of human reason.” Quote Monsignor Eugene Clark said: “God is one, and God is three. Since there is nothing like this in creation, we cannot understand it, but only accept it.” Quote Cardinal John O’Connor stated: “We know that it is a very profound mystery, which we don’t begin to understand.” Quote And Pope John Paul II spoke of “the inscrutable mystery of God the Trinity.” Quote A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge says: “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves.” You said: Quote Go and study it, if you still think it's implausible at least you have an educ ated opinion. Do you give me that much credit?  Can I understand what even the inventers and experts cannot? You said: Quote Let’s take this back one step. Tell me something Mike, do you acknowledge that Psalm 102:25 was written in reference to the Most High God? “ In the beginning thou, O Lord, didst lay the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.” (Ps 102:25, LXX, Brenton) Yes.  But does that mean that Jesus is now God?  No.  Now your turn.  Does Heb 1:5 apply something originally said of Solomon to Jesus?  Does that mean that Jesus is now actually Solomon? You said: Quote I did not admit an exception, I wrote “without exception”, which of course means the opposite. But then you immediately paste the quote where you admitted the exception: Quote I assert that #1 cannot be legitimate in light of the many NT verses where the Father is spoken as being “greater than” (i.e. superior in office) to the Son. After a bunch of stuff I've already answered clearly to, you said: Quote If this still isn’t clear enough for you let me know and I’ll go through your quoted passages one at a time. Please do.  Start with the ones I posted today.  One by one, explain how Paul could have wrote these and still thought Jesus was God Almighty. You said: Quote Your bolded and CAPPED “answer” was not in reality an answer at all but an excuse not to. BTW, I'm still waiting on your answer. You still haven't given me one. In what sense is the Son “LORD” to the Father? Jehovah can call Jesus Lord, because he is Lord.  And Jehovah should know, He is the One that set him up as Lord.  Clear enough yet?  Not God, not YHVH, but Lord. peace and love, mike I'm not going to have time to answer this post before I go on holiday with my family. I'll try to get it done when I return… Hopefully someone can continue Mike's Bible lessons in my absence? – Thethinker?, WJ?, Lightenup?

Is 1;18

if this is a bible study ,you may do me a favor cansel this study there is nothing in there that is needed to recieve Gods aproval.

this will save you;Heb 12:14 Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

[KangarooJack]

Mikeboll said:

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Jehovah can call Jesus Lord, because he is Lord.  And Jehovah should know, He is the One that set him up as Lord.  Clear enough yet?  Not God, not YHVH, but Lord.

The Messenger who appeared to Moses in the burning bush is Jehovah God. He claimed to be the “God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.” Moses asked Him His name and He said, “I am that I am” (Exodus 3).

Jacob vowed a vow to Jehovah at Bethel (Gen. 28:20-22) and the Messenger later came to Jacob and said, “I am the God of Bethel where you anointed the pillar and made a vow TO ME” (31:11-13).

The Messenger who said that His name is, “I am that I am” and who claimed to be the “God of Bethel” TO WHOM Jacob vowed was our Lord Jesus Christ.

So it is written. so let all men obey.

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
Does it confuse you when God visits earth in His servants?
None of them become Him by such use.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,11:41)

Hi TT, Does it confuse you when God visits earth in His servants? None of them become Him by such use.

Nick,
Why did the angel Gabriel say, “The Most High will do this or that” but the Messenger who appeared to Moses said, “I am that I am?”

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
God manifests in different ways in men and angels.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,11:51)

Hi TT, God manifests in different ways in men and angels.

Nick,

You make the Messenger out to be a poor communicator. Gabriel gets it right and says to Mary that “the power of the MOST HIGH will overshadow thee.” But the Messenger that came to Sarah botches it up by saying, “I will multiply your seed.”

Why didn't God send a more compotent communicator? That Messenger must have gotten into big trouble for that. He even fooled Moses because He thought the Messenger was Jehovah (Gen. 16:13).

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
The messenger is sometimes required to be a direct conduit of God's words.
Why would you correct God's ways?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 14 2010,21:12)

I'm not going to have time to answer this post before I go on holiday with my family. I'll try to get it done when I return… Hopefully someone can continue Mike's Bible lessons in my absence? – Thethinker?, WJ?, Lightenup?

Hi Paul,

I wondered where you ran off to.

The thinker is busy educating me on the fine points of “begotten doesn't mean begotten”, “firstborn doesn't mean firstborn” and “all creation doesn't mean all creation”.

WJ is busy teaching me how “no one has understood God at any time, but God, who is at God's side, has explained God.”

And Lightenup believes the Father to be greater than – not equal to – the Son, like the Scriptures teach.

So I guess I'll have to wait for you.  Have a nice holiday.

peace and love,
mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (thethinker @ April 15 2010,11:37)

The Messenger who appeared to Moses in the burning bush is Jehovah God. He claimed to be the “God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.” Moses asked Him His name and He said, “I am that I am” (Exodus 3).

Hi Thinker,

Do you think it was really the angel doing the talking?  The disciple Stephen didn't.  Remember the guy who was only able to see the glory of Jehovah because, as Jehovah says in Exodus 33:20, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”?  The same guy who WAS able to see Jesus, which proves that Jesus is not Jehovah.

But Stephen is going to help you with this Exodus problem you've been having, too.  He says in Acts 7:30-32,

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30 “After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush in the desert near Mount Sinai. 31 When he saw this, he was amazed at the sight. As he went over to look more closely, he heard the Lord's voice: 32 'I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.' Moses trembled with fear and did not dare to look.

Who's voice?  The messenger's?  No, the Lord's.  Besides, if Jesus teaches that a messenger is not as great as the one who sent him, how could that messenger be an equal member of the godhead?  

Now go and apply what you've learned to the other Scripture you posted, and you'll see that the words come from Jehovah, even if He is not the one directly talking.  It is the same way the Scriptures work.  The Scriptures are God's words said through many different persons.  Only one of them, however, is Jehovah.

peace and love,
mike

[Lightenup]

Hi Mike,

I don't think that you ever gave me your answer as to who Abraham is talking to that is named Jehovah in this chapter. All the bolded “Lord” words are Strong's #3068-Jehovah.

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Gen 18 18:1 Now the Lord appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 When he lifted up his eyes and looked, behold, three men were standing opposite him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth, 3 and said, “My Lord, if now I have found favor in Your sight, please do not pass Your servant by. 4 “Please let a little water be brought and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree; 5 and I will bring a piece of bread, that you may refresh yourselves; after that you may go on, since you have visited your servant.” And they said, “So do, as you have said.” 6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah, and said, “Quickly, prepare three measures of fine flour, knead it and make bread cakes.” 7 Abraham also ran to the herd, and took a tender and choice calf and gave it to the servant, and he hurried to prepare it. 8 He took curds and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and placed it before them; and he was standing by them under the tree as they ate. 9 Then they said to him, “Where is Sarah your wife?” And he said, “There, in the tent.” 10 He said, “I will surely return to you at this time next year; and behold, Sarah your wife will have a son.” And Sarah was listening at the tent door, which was behind him. 11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in age; Sarah was past childbearing. 12 Sarah laughed to herself, saying, “After I have become old, shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?” 13 And the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh, saying, 'Shall I indeed bear a child, when I am so old?' 14 “Is anything too difficult for the Lord? At the appointed time I will return to you, at this time next year, and Sarah will have a son.” 15 Sarah denied it however, saying, “I did not laugh”; for she was afraid. And He said, “No, but you did laugh.” 16 Then the men rose up from there, and looked down toward Sodom; and Abraham was walking with them to send them off. 17 The Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do, 18 since Abraham will surely become a great and mighty nation, and in him all the nations of the earth will be blessed? 19 “For I have chosen him, so that he may command his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice, so that the Lord may bring upon Abraham what He has spoken about him.” 20 And the Lord said, “The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave. 21 “I will go down now, and see if they have done entirely according to its outcry, which has come to Me; and if not, I will know.” 22 Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, while Abraham was still standing before the Lord. 23 Abraham came near and said, “Will You indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 “Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city; will You indeed sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous who are in it? 25 “Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?” 26 So the Lord said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare the whole place on their account.” 27 And Abraham replied, “Now behold, I have ventured to speak to the Lord, although I am but dust and ashes. 28 “Suppose the fifty righteous are lacking five, will You destroy the whole city because of five?” And He said, “I will not destroy it if I find forty-five there.” 29 He spoke to Him yet again and said, “Suppose forty are found there?” And He said, “I will not do it on account of the forty.” 30 Then he said, “Oh may the Lord not be angry, and I shall speak; suppose thirty are found there?” And He said, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.” 31 And he said, “Now behold, I have ventured to speak to the Lord; suppose twenty are found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it on account of the twenty.” 32 Then he said, “Oh may the Lord not be angry, and I shall speak only this once; suppose ten are found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it on account of the ten.” 33 As soon as He had finished speaking to Abraham the Lord departed, and Abraham returned to his place. NASU

What do you think?

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
God in an angelic vessel.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 16 2010,13:12)

I don't think that you ever gave me your answer as to who Abraham is talking to that is named Jehovah in this chapter. All the bolded “Lord” words are Strong's #3068-Jehovah.

Hi Kathi,

I think the same thing that Stephen thought. The words of Jehovah coming through a messenger. Think about it. If Jesus is also Jehovah, then no man can see him and live, either. Because no man can see the face of Jehovah and live. But because Abraham saw these men's faces, they could not possibly have been Jehovah in person.

peace and love,
mike

[Lightenup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2010,23:39)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 16 2010,13:12) I don't think that you ever gave me your answer as to who Abraham is talking to that is named Jehovah in this chapter.  All the bolded “Lord” words are Strong's #3068-Jehovah. Hi Kathi, I think the same thing that Stephen thought.  The words of Jehovah coming through a messenger.  Think about it.  If Jesus is also Jehovah, then no man can see him and live, either.  Because no man can see the face of Jehovah and live.  But because Abraham saw these men's faces, they could not possibly have been Jehovah in person. peace and love, mike

Ahhh…but what if the Son was given that name from His Father, Jehovah? Maybe only the Father as Jehovah hasn't been seen. Two called Jehovah?? read this:

John 17:11-12
11 “I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.
12 “While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
NASU

Ps 118:19-29
19 Open to me the gates of righteousness; I shall enter through them, I shall give thanks to the Lord.
20 This is the gate of the Lord; The righteous will enter through it.
21 I shall give thanks to You, for You have answered me, And You have become my salvation.
22 The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief corner stone.
23 This is the Lord's doing; It is marvelous in our eyes.
24 This is the day which the Lord has made; Let us rejoice and be glad in it.
25 O Lord, do save, we beseech You; O Lord, we beseech You, do send prosperity!
26 Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord; We have blessed you from the house of the Lord.
27 The Lord is God, and He has given us light; Bind the festival sacrifice with cords to the horns of the altar.
28 You are my God, and I give thanks to You; You are my God, I extol You.
29 Give thanks to the Lord, for He is good; For His lovingkindness is everlasting.
NASU

Matt 21:9
9 The crowds going ahead of Him, and those who followed, were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David; BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Hosanna in the highest!”
NASU

John 5:43
43 “I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him.
NASU

Another thought that I had on the giving of the name was regarding when two persons made a covenant, they would exchange names in some way.

Read this about the exchange of a name and the union it creates when making a blood covenant:

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The exchange of names: Each participant takes the other's name on himself. A person's name represents his individuality. This exchange of names demonstrated a death to being an “individual.” Remember that covenant is the union of two people. In covenant you are no longer concerned only with yourself. Your concern now includes your blood covenant brother. You care for your blood brother the same as you care for yourself because the two of you are now one.

From here: http://www.rockofoffence.com/myst4.html

Just something (else) to think about

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Jesus spoke and acted in his Father's name and authority.
Do you agree?

[Ed J]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 16 2010,16:45)

Ahhh…but what if the Son was given that name from His Father, Jehovah?  Maybe only the Father as Jehovah hasn't been seen.  Two called Jehovah??  read this: John 17:11-12 11 “I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. 12 “While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. NASU

Hi LightenUp,

It's about time you (LightenUp) learn “Bible Truth”=117…

Jesus’ authentic Name [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă has a direct connection to GOD’s name [יה]
in that YÄ is the first part of Jesus’ “REAL” name. GOD’s name is not vocalized
in the English translation of the name Jesus and therefore misses the precise exactness
and direct authentic connection to God’s Hebrew name [יה] YÄ. Jesus’ Name in Hebrew
יהשוע means: (“YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע]) the salvation of “GOD the Father”.
[יהשוע] “Jesus” REAL name authentically establishes [יהוה] “JEHOVAH” as the highest Name. (Psalm 83:18)

(Phil. 2:9,11: Wherefore [Holy Spirit] has highly exalted [Jesus] giving Him a name
which is above every name, to the glory of [GOD The Father].) Neither is there salvation
in any other name: for there is no other name given among men (יהשוע), whereby we must be
saved. (Acts 4:12) People speaking fluent Hebrew know that in essence, [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă
means: “YÄ is Savior”. The Name of [GOD=26] is [“יהוה”=26] spoken as [YÄ=26]; and “YÄ-hä-vā”!

“The Savior”=117 is “GOD The Father”=117, (117=”יהוה האלהים” YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL- ō-Hêêm)!
And He is Savior to all who walk the ground! “JEHOVAH GOD”; and there is ‘NO’ other! (Isaiah 43:11)
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, YHVH; and beside me (117=יהוה האלהים) there is no savior.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Lightenup]

Thanks EdJ,
I can see some truth in what you say about the “Yah” in Jesus' name.

But who do you think is talking to Abraham in Gen. 18?

[Lightenup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2010,01:48)

Hi LU, Jesus spoke and acted in his Father's name and authority. Do you agree?

Nick,
Yes, I agree and I think He did this before His birth too but not as an angel.

[Ed J]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 16 2010,18:14)

Thanks EdJ, I can see some truth in what you say about the “Yah” in Jesus' name. But who do you think is talking to Abraham in Gen. 18?

Hi LightenUp,

What does Gen.18 have to do with God's Name being the first part of Jesus' name?

Ed J

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