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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,07:02) Hi TT,
God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten son.
Jesus died for us because he loves his God.
You did not exist.
Nick,Thank you. You prove exactly what I am saying. Paul said:
20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
and,
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Rom. 8:35
and,
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her Eph. 5:25
and John said:
21 Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.” Mark 10:21
and,
Then the Jews said, “See how He (Jesus) loved him!” John 11:36
and,
1 Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that His hour had come that He should depart from this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end. John 13:1
and,
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. John 13:34
and,
As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. John 15:9
Note: Jesus loved His disciples as His Father loved Him!
And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.
Thank you Nick for helping me expose Jodi Lee's foolishness.
thinker
Hi TT,
Do you not long to get beyond trivail wars of words and to come into the kingdom too?
Jesus revealed WHO our God is and the door is still open.
Drop your other gods at the door.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,07:44) Hi TT,
Indeed Paul and the brothers enjoyed the love of the Lord.
They had found the kingdom.
Your point being…? Ephesians 5:25 says that Christ loved the Church and gave Himself for her. Keep it up Nick. You're helping me expose Jodi Lee's nonsense. If I were her reading this I would send you a pm and ask you to put a sock in it.thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,07:46) Hi TT,
Do you not long to get beyond trivail wars of words and to come into the kingdom too?
Jesus revealed WHO our God is and the door is still open.
Drop your other gods at the door.
Jesus revealed to us that he loves us and you deny it.thinker
Hi TT,
Paul and his brothers were of the church.
Your love of carnal battles against individuals reveals your natureNick,
Your last two posts above are not worthy of a reply. Again, thanks for helping me expose Jodi Lee's nonsense.
thinker
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 19 2010,06:35) Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 18 2010,06:26) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 18 2010,17:37) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2010,00:03)
The Bible does not teach a trinity God, men do. Don't try to make your doctrine “true” by insinuating that true believers deny what is due to Jesus Christ.peace and love,
mike
MikeSo you say, but millions of believers disagree with you who know far more about the scriptures than you do!
WJ
You sound a bit catholicity there WJ, any reason for such a comment.
POKActually I was referring to the majority of non-Catholic Christianity.
Most Protestant Christianity are Trinitarian. But even if you count the Catholics, your statement makes no sense because believing in the Trinity doesn't make you Catholic or related to the Catholics any more than believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus does.
The Catholics believe that also. Do you?
If you do then you must be Catholic right?
Blessings Keith
You are going by stats and majority, not by wisdom.I would have to say WJ, as you travel through space and time to another dimension…………………
Your thoughts are more in line with the:
Augsburg Confession
Article I: Of God.
Our Churches, with common consent, do teach that the decree of the Council of Nicaea concerning the Unity of the Divine Essence and concerning the Three Persons, is true and to be believed without any doubting; that is to say, there is one Divine Essence which is called and which is God: eternal, without body, without parts, of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness, the Maker and Preserver of all things, visible and invisible; and yet there are three Persons, of the same essence and power, who also are coeternal, the Father the Son, and the Holy Ghost. And the term “person” they use as the Fathers have used it, to signify, not a part or quality in another, but that which subsists of itself.
They condemn all heresies which have sprung up against this article, as the Manichaeans, who assumed two principles, one Good and the other Evil- also the Valentinians, Arians, Eunomians, Mohammedans, and all such. They condemn also the Samosatenes, old and new, who, contending that there is but one Person, sophistically and impiously argue that the Word and the Holy Ghost are not distinct Persons, but that “Word” signifies a spoken word, and “Spirit” signifies motion created in things.
Would you not say?
Thanks for the blessing WJ, take care yourself.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 18 2010,17:37) Mike So you say, but millions of believers disagree with you who know far more about the scriptures than you do!
WJ
Hi WJ,John 12 says:
Quote 42Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not confess their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue; 43for they loved praise from men more than praise from God. How many of your “millions” do you think fit into this category?
I want you to know that I really appreciate you and thethinker. That's the truth and I've stated as much to others in PM's. I admit that my knowledge of the Scriptures is dismal, but I am gaining a much deeper understanding of the Scriptures day by day because of you two. Don't go away!
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,06:23) Hi TT,
Yes he could have asked his God for that.
His God is greater.
Hi Nick,Beautifully said, brother!
I love it.peace and love,
mikeQuote (thethinker @ Mar. 19 2010,03:58) Because no anti-trinitarian here talks about the love of Jesus unless pushed to talk about it. Your otherwise silence betrays you.
Hi Thinker,Why do you try to show your love for Jesus by going against the things he taught? He was sent to preach the good news about his Father's kingdom, not his own. But you have elevated him to God – something he never asked of us.
And IMO he's got to be sitting at the right hand of God right now saying, “I'm so sorry Father that these knuckleheads have totally misintepreted everything I did for you. I never told them I was God – all I did was point them to you, the ONLY TRUE GOD.”
I love Jesus very deeply, Jack. I love him enough to follow what he taught, not what some men in the second century concocted.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,06:24) Hi TT,
You suggest Jodi is limited yet she expresses wisdom.
You on the other hand do not know WHO God is yet.
Nick……….I totally agree with that statement. Jodi has shown us great understanding of GOD'S Word and Has posted many scriptures that back Her up on what She says. She is without a doubt one of the most Spiritually minded Persons on this site by far. IMOThinker ………Your position on the TRINITY and PREEXISTENCE is the greatest Nonsense, being discussed here by far. IMO
Hi thethinker:
Without Jesus none of us would be saved, and so, we could never do any thing that would re-pay him for all that he went through in our behalf so that we could be reconciled to His God and our God because of him, and so, we show our love for him by obeying His Word. He said, “if you love me keep my commandments”, and so, this is the way that I express my love for him.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (princess of the king @ Mar. 18 2010,19:51) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 19 2010,06:35) Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 18 2010,06:26) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 18 2010,17:37) mikeboll64,Mar. wrote:The Bible does not teach a trinity God, men do. Don't try to make your doctrine “true” by insinuating that true believers deny what is due to Jesus Christ.
peace and love,
mike
MikeSo you say, but millions of believers disagree with you who know far more about the scriptures than you do!
WJ
You sound a bit catholicity there WJ, any reason for such a comment.
POKActually I was referring to the majority of non-Catholic Christianity.
Most Protestant Christianity is Trinitarian. But even if you count the Catholics, your statement makes no sense because believing in the Trinity doesn't make you Catholic or related to the Catholics any more than believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus does.
The Catholics believe that also. Do you?
If you do then you must be Catholic right?
Blessings Keith
Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 18 2010,19:51) You are going by stats and majority, not by wisdom. POK
No, I am simply making a statement in response to your silly statement.
Can you not see the wisdom in my statement compared to your silly statement…?
Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 18 2010,06:26) You sound a bit catholicity there WJ, any reason for such a comment.
And my response…Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 19 2010,06:35) But even if you count the Catholics, your statement makes no sense because believing in the Trinity doesn't make you Catholic or related to the Catholics any more than believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus does. The Catholics believe that also. Do you?
If you do then you must be Catholic right?
Do you care to acknowledge how silly your comment is seeing that you believe much of what the Catholic Church does, or are you a believer?As far as numbers goes, I am not implying the majority is always right or wrong.
Jesus said…
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and “BROAD” is the road that leads to destruction, and “many enter through it“. But “SMALL” is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a “few find it. Matt 7:13
So it can be a matter of perspective. I believe that there are saved people in probably every Christian Church. The Lord knows them that are his.
So if that is true and Jesus statement is about the Saved and Unsaved then obviously even counting all the Christian Churches in the world in comparison to the 6 or 7 billion people in the world then Jesus statement is true and as you know the majority of the Christians in the world which are “the few that find it” are Trinitarian.
Maybe that doesn't mean anything to you but to me it speaks loudly, especially being that the majority of the saved, healed, and the ministering to the poor and the homeless, the Fatherless and the widows in this world is done through Trinitarians and their Churches. That my friend speaks loudly.
My words are probably like a p-r-i-c-k in the heart of those who claims the Father and Jesus as theirs yet do not lift a finger to help another in need, or give a single dime of their money or a minute of their time to their fellow man.
Most of the time it is those who went out from among us who have no church that do nothing at all, but isolate themselves from the “diseased Trinitarians” and their Churches (though Jesus and the Apostles were found in the Synagogues teaching the word of God to the Pharisees and Sadducees!), not that I am saying the Trinitarians are Pharisees but that they are perceived so by the elite that seperate themselves.
I believe Jude said of them…
But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. “These be they who SEPERATE THEMSELVES, sensual, having not the Spirit“. Jude 1:17-19
But the scriptures also tell us…
Where there is no guidance the people fall, “But in abundance of counselors there is victory“. Prov 11:14 NASB
They also say…
“not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some“, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near. Heb 10:25 NASB
In light of the whole world the believing Christians are the minority.
But of course that in itself is not proof of anything, so we must look for the fruit.
“You will know them by their fruits“. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? Even so “every good tree bringeth forth good fruit“; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. Matt 7:15, 16
God gave Abraham a promise…
Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and “all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him“? Gen 18:18
At this time it is not through the “Unitarians”, the “Arians” or “anti-Trinitarians” that the Nations of the earth are being blessed, but the majority of Christianity which is the true Israel of God is blessing the earth by bringing salvation, food, clothes and money for the feeding of the poor and homeless, and much more.
All you have to do is a google search and see for yourself!
I know this post will be a “st
ick in someone’s craw” but the truth is the truth and if this post doesn't bother you then welcome to the ranks of the faithful who brings forth fruit in their Generation!Love in Christ Keith
Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 18 2010,19:51) I would have to say WJ, as you travel through space and time to another dimension………………… Your thoughts are more in line with the:
Augsburg Confession
Article I: Of God.
Our Churches, with common consent, do teach that the decree of the Council of Nicaea concerning the Unity of the Divine Essence and concerning the Three Persons, is true and to be believed without any doubting; that is to say, there is one Divine Essence which is called and which is God: eternal, without body, without parts, of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness, the Maker and Preserver of all things, visible and invisible; and yet there are three Persons, of the same essence and power, who also are coeternal, the Father the Son, and the Holy Ghost. And the term “person” they use as the Fathers have used it, to signify, not a part or quality in another, but that which subsists of itself.
They condemn all heresies which have sprung up against this article, as the Manichaeans, who assumed two principles, one Good and the other Evil- also the Valentinians, Arians, Eunomians, Mohammedans, and all such. They condemn also the Samosatenes, old and new, who, contending that there is but one Person, sophistically and impiously argue that the Word and the Holy Ghost are not distinct Persons, but that “Word” signifies a spoken word, and “Spirit” signifies motion created in things.
Would you not say?
Thanks for the blessing WJ, take care yourself.
POKTrue!
Why don't you show me where that confession is not true to the Word of God!
Please be specific using scripture without generalities!
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2010,23:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 18 2010,17:37) Mike So you say, but millions of believers disagree with you who know far more about the scriptures than you do!
WJ
Hi WJ,John 12 says:
Quote 42Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not confess their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue; 43for they loved praise from men more than praise from God. How many of your “millions” do you think fit into this category?
I want you to know that I really appreciate you and thethinker. That's the truth and I've stated as much to others in PM's. I admit that my knowledge of the Scriptures is dismal, but I am gaining a much deeper understanding of the Scriptures day by day because of you two. Don't go away!
peace and love,
mike
MikeMy statement to you was a simple statement of fact. You think you are right, but again, millions that know more about the Bible than you do disagree with you.
You can stick your head in the sand if you like! But you are not some special challenge to the Trinitarian belief.
My point was “don't flatter yourself”!
Your scripture seems to fit the “anti-Trinitarians” here seeing that you guys get all the praise and honour from one another while Jack and I seem to be some sort of disease that many would like to kill!
But thanks for your welcome anyway. I can see how you guys are learning from us!
Blessings WJ
WJ…………..I think it is you who is flattering yourself, I see no one learning to become a (TRINITARIANS ) Here who has already proven the False teachings of the Trinity to themselves by the Spirit of the Living GOD. Wide is the Path that leads to destruction (TRINITY AND PREEXISTENCE), Narrow is the Path that leads to Life (non trinitarians and non preexistences). Nearly all “Christendom” believes in the APOSTATE TRINITY TEACHINGS , only a few do not. But you and Thinker are good for us though it keep those proofs of the fallacy of the Trinity ever before us. Keeps us Sharp As we will have to teach the whole World in the future of those false teachings. IMO
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