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WJ,
By your accounts your deity came in human form, mine however has not. My divine is spirit, takes on no form of human flesh.
Christ was given the logos, pistis and Sophia in his human form.
Triads are not calling him Emanuel, they call him just god. This statement is profound throughout triad's post.
Changing from human form to a god form is a very ancient practice. Zeus for example.
Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,05:29) Marty said to WJ: Quote Of course, he is not just any man but the Son of the living God, but you said it and the scriptures confirm it, he is a man.
Marty,You speak as if God and man are totally other. Don't forget that man is in the image of God. So for God to become a man is not a problem. He took human form several times in the old testament.
thinker
Hi TT,
Almighty God in heaven took the form of puny men?
You are confused and give too much glory to vain men.
His angels came in His name at times but God is in heaven.Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 27 2010,05:59) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,05:29) Marty said to WJ: Quote Of course, he is not just any man but the Son of the living God, but you said it and the scriptures confirm it, he is a man.
Marty,You speak as if God and man are totally other. Don't forget that man is in the image of God. So for God to become a man is not a problem. He took human form several times in the old testament.
thinker
Thinker, what reasoning can you portray that the divine almighty would need to come to earth?We all are sons and daughters, we are not the begotten, we will not sit at his right, we do have our place within the kingdom.
Portraying(*) the divine as you do, human at times not at other times, is not logically whatsoever. He does not change.
t,
God walked in the garden and communed with Adam and Eve. It says that they heard the “sound” of His walk which means that they were familiar with it and that God had human form.Jacob wrestled with a “man” which he later realized was God. Jacob called the place where he wrestled with God “Peniel” because he had seen God “face to face.”
The anti-trinitarian God is too high and mighty to come down to us. But the God of the scriptures often “stooped down” to be with His people as afather would stoop down to be with his child.
Your God is no earthly good to anyone.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2010,06:18) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,05:29) Marty said to WJ: Quote Of course, he is not just any man but the Son of the living God, but you said it and the scriptures confirm it, he is a man.
Marty,You speak as if God and man are totally other. Don't forget that man is in the image of God. So for God to become a man is not a problem. He took human form several times in the old testament.
thinker
Hi TT,
Almighty God in heaven took the form of puny men?
You are confused and give too much glory to vain men.
His angels came in His name at times but God is in heaven.
Nick,You are making some progress. At one time you adopted Bildad's theory that man is a “worm” and concluded that God could not take human form. But now you admit that God took the form of “puny men.” So you have stepped man up enough so God could come down. Not too bad but you have a ways to go yet.
thinker
Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 26 2010,14:18) Triads are not calling him Emanuel, they call him just god. This statement is profound throughout triad's post.
The interpretation is “God with us”. I do not hear anti-trinitarians say Jesus is “God with us” or Emmanuel!The Prophets and Apostles called him God and so do we.
Try again.
WJ
Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,06:21) Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 27 2010,05:59) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,05:29) Marty said to WJ: Quote Of course, he is not just any man but the Son of the living God, but you said it and the scriptures confirm it, he is a man.
Marty,You speak as if God and man are totally other. Don't forget that man is in the image of God. So for God to become a man is not a problem. He took human form several times in the old testament.
thinker
Thinker, what reasoning can you portray that the divine almighty would need to come to earth?We all are sons and daughters, we are not the begotten, we will not sit at his right, we do have our place within the kingdom.
Portraying(*) the divine as you do, human at times not at other times, is not logically whatsoever. He does not change.
t,
God walked in the garden and communed with Adam and Eve. It says that they heard the “sound” of His walk which means that they were familiar with it and that God had human form.Jacob wrestled with a “man” which he later realized was God. Jacob called the place where he wrestled with God “Peniel” because he had seen God “face to face.”
The anti-trinitarian God is too high and mighty to come down to us. But the God of the scriptures often “stooped down” to be with His people as father would stoop down to be with his child.
Your God is no earthly good to anyone.
thinker
Thinker,Does the wind make sound Thinker? How could we possibly image what Eden was like? This was pure spiritual. Why does the passage state their eyes were opened after?
How can you proclaim Jacob wrestled with god then throw out the command that came afterwards? Do you really believe a man could look face to face with the divine and walk away unscathed.
Yes, the divine is too mighty to come down to earth, Praise be. He loves us enough to send someone down to us, to let us know what he really wants from us.
My almighty divine is no earthly good to anyone is right. It is not a physical in any way, the earth could pass and spiritually I will continue to live.
Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,06:21) Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 27 2010,05:59) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,05:29) Marty said to WJ: Quote Of course, he is not just any man but the Son of the living God, but you said it and the scriptures confirm it, he is a man.
Marty,You speak as if God and man are totally other. Don't forget that man is in the image of God. So for God to become a man is not a problem. He took human form several times in the old testament.
thinker
Thinker, what reasoning can you portray that the divine almighty would need to come to earth?We all are sons and daughters, we are not the begotten, we will not sit at his right, we do have our place within the kingdom.
Portraying(*) the divine as you do, human at times not at other times, is not logically whatsoever. He does not change.
t,
God walked in the garden and communed with Adam and Eve. It says that they heard the “sound” of His walk which means that they were familiar with it and that God had human form.Jacob wrestled with a “man” which he later realized was God. Jacob called the place where he wrestled with God “Peniel” because he had seen God “face to face.”
The anti-trinitarian God is too high and mighty to come down to us. But the God of the scriptures often “stooped down” to be with His people as father would stoop down to be with his child.
Your God is no earthly good to anyone.
thinker
ttTHE ONLY ONE I SEE WHO IS CLOSE TO YOU TRINITARIANS HIS THE GOD OF THIS WORLD,
IN FACT YOU COULD KISS HIM SO CLOSE HE IS,YOU HAVE IMBRACED HIS DOCTRINE ,I AM SURE HE LIKES YOU FOR IT,YOU ARE HIS DEFFENDERS,
THE TRUTH OF THE SCRIPTURES ARE ONENESS GOD (DEUT 6)
THIS CAN NOT BE BROCKEN ,IF YOU BREAK IT YOU DO IT AGAINST GOD SPIRIT ,Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,06:28) Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 26 2010,14:18) Triads are not calling him Emanuel, they call him just god. This statement is profound throughout triad's post.
The interpretation is “God with us”. I do not hear anti-trinitarians say Jesus is “God with us” or Emmanuel!The Prophets and Apostles called him God and so do we.
Try again.
WJ
What is meant by try again?You proclaim that you have the truth (ie. triad worship, god in human form) so your jesus god is within you, which by your preachings in turn brings your god amoung us.
Not very hard to understand now is it.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2010,07:28) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,06:21) Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 27 2010,05:59) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,05:29) Marty said to WJ: Quote Of course, he is not just any man but the Son of the living God, but you said it and the scriptures confirm it, he is a man.
Marty,You speak as if God and man are totally other. Don't forget that man is in the image of God. So for God to become a man is not a problem. He took human form several times in the old testament.
thinker
Thinker, what reasoning can you portray that the divine almighty would need to come to earth?We all are sons and daughters, we are not the begotten, we will not sit at his right, we do have our place within the kingdom.
Portraying(*) the divine as you do, human at times not at other times, is not logically whatsoever. He does not change.
t,
God walked in the garden and communed with Adam and Eve. It says that they heard the “sound” of His walk which means that they were familiar with it and that God had human form.Jacob wrestled with a “man” which he later realized was God. Jacob called the place where he wrestled with God “Peniel” because he had seen God “face to face.”
The anti-trinitarian God is too high and mighty to come down to us. But the God of the scriptures often “stooped down” to be with His people as father would stoop down to be with his child.
Your God is no earthly good to anyone.
thinker
ttTHE ONLY ONE I SEE WHO IS CLOSE TO YOU TRINITARIANS HIS THE GOD OF THIS WORLD,
IN FACT YOU COULD KISS HIM SO CLOSE HE IS,YOU HAVE IMBRACED HIS DOCTRINE ,I AM SURE HE LIKES YOU FOR IT,YOU ARE HIS DEFFENDERS,
THE TRUTH OF THE SCRIPTURES ARE ONENESS GOD (DEUT 6)
THIS CAN NOT BE BROCKEN ,IF YOU BREAK IT YOU DO IT AGAINST GOD SPIRIT ,
ttplease disregard my capitals letters, i was not yelling at you ,it will adjust my self to not let my capitals on.
Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 26 2010,15:51) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,06:28) Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 26 2010,14:18) Triads are not calling him Emanuel, they call him just god. This statement is profound throughout triad's post.
The interpretation is “God with us”. I do not hear anti-trinitarians say Jesus is “God with us” or Emmanuel!The Prophets and Apostles called him God and so do we.
Try again.
WJ
What is meant by try again?You proclaim that you have the truth (ie. triad worship, god in human form) so your jesus god is within you, which by your preachings in turn brings your god amoung us.
Not very hard to understand now is it.
POKNo I proclaim what the scritpures say, and not pick and choose.
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name “Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matt 1:23
while we wait for the blessed hope–the glorious appearing of “our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ“, Tit 2:13
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that “Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?“ 2 Cor 13:5
So whatever you think that means it is not God with a little “G”!
WJ
WJ,
Numina:
The word was also used in the imperial cult of ancient Rome, to refer to the guardian-spirit, 'godhead' or divine power of a living emperor—in other words, a means of worshiping a living emperor without literally calling him a god. (wiki)
Closer?
Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 26 2010,16:58) WJ, Numina:
The word was also used in the imperial cult of ancient Rome, to refer to the guardian-spirit, 'godhead' or divine power of a living emperor—in other words, a means of worshiping a living emperor without literally calling him a god. (wiki)
Closer?
POKNot at all!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,08:52) Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 26 2010,15:51) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,06:28) Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 26 2010,14:18) Triads are not calling him Emanuel, they call him just god. This statement is profound throughout triad's post.
The interpretation is “God with us”. I do not hear anti-trinitarians say Jesus is “God with us” or Emmanuel!The Prophets and Apostles called him God and so do we.
Try again.
WJ
What is meant by try again?You proclaim that you have the truth (ie. triad worship, god in human form) so your jesus god is within you, which by your preachings in turn brings your god amoung us.
Not very hard to understand now is it.
POKNo I proclaim what the scritpures say, and not pick and choose.
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name “Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matt 1:23
while we wait for the blessed hope–the glorious appearing of “our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ“, Tit 2:13
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that “Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?“ 2 Cor 13:5
So whatever you think that means it is not God with a little “G”!
WJ
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said to him, `Well, Teacher, in truth thou hast spoken that there is one God, and there is none other but HeTeacher then you cannot be, yes?
1Co 8:4 Concerning the eating then of the things sacrificed to idols, we have known that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God except one; for even if there are those called gods, whether in heaven, whether upon earth–as there are gods many and lords many– yet to us is one God, the Father, of whom are the all things, and we to Him; and one Lord, Christ, through whom are the all things, and we through Him;
Scripture tells me that others will believe in so called gods (little g used, by the most noted scholars)
Fire and brimstone teachings WJ, been through it very young, over it, degrading comments by using scripture, done it myself, try a little harder there WJ.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,09:06) Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 26 2010,16:58) WJ, Numina:
The word was also used in the imperial cult of ancient Rome, to refer to the guardian-spirit, 'godhead' or divine power of a living emperor—in other words, a means of worshiping a living emperor without literally calling him a god. (wiki)
Closer?
POKNot at all!
WJ
The Capitoline Triad represents the union of the three major Roman deities, who shared a temple on the Capitoline Hill, the Temple of Jupiter Capitolinus. In the earliest period of the Roman Kingdom the triad consisted of Jupiter, Mars and Quirinus, but later, probably as a result of the Etruscan influence in archaic Rome, the triad became Jupiter, Minerva and Juno Regina.How about now WJ.
pok said:
Quote Does the wind make sound Thinker? How could we possibly image what Eden was like? This was pure spiritual.
The narrative says that they heard the sound of “the Lord God” WALKING in the garden.pok:
Quote How can you proclaim Jacob wrestled with god then throw out the command that came afterwards?
It was MOSES who proclaimed that Jacob wrestled with God.pok:
Quote Do you really believe a man could look face to face with the divine and walk away unscathed .
This is why it was necessary for God to take human form so He would not harm Jacob. You do not believe the scriptures.pok:
Quote Yes, the divine is too mighty to come down to earth,
Glad to see one of you admit it.pok:
Quote He loves us enough to send someone down to us,
But He does not love us enough to come down HIMSELF. Do you think that He made us in His image because He wants to keep His distance from us?thinker
pok said:
Quote Mar 12:32 And the scribe said to him, `Well, Teacher, in truth thou hast spoken that there is one God, and there is none other but He
You forget that they were referring to the shema inwhich the word for “God” was “Elohim” which is PLURAL. Why didn't Moses choose a singular word for God?Moses said, “Hear O Israel, the Lord your Elohim (plural) is one Lord.”
Moses did not say, “Hear O Israel, the Lord your Eloah (singular) is one Lord.”
Did Moses have too many beers before writing the scriptures? I guess the reason why trinitarianism has been the MAJOR teaching of the christian church is because Moses had too much to drink.
thinker
Thinker,
Narrative: presence, voice, sound is used………….don't you tend to put those more of spiritual then physical.
When the spirit speaks to you Thinker, does it come in human form?
Regarding Jacob, you still deny the command that is given after the wrestling match, not familiar with Moses claiming it was the divine, if you could ref: the passage it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
So when your god comes in human form it limits his strength, will have to look that reference up, believe it is asian decent of ancient religion, not sure though.
What his love for us is not good enough for you for him to send someone down for us?
Why must your god be physical, flesh. This has to be somewhat connected with man's own ego. Would you not agree.
I am the only one that has ever told you that the divine is above all.
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in you all,
Someone else has spoken this also.
Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,09:40) pok said: Quote Mar 12:32 And the scribe said to him, `Well, Teacher, in truth thou hast spoken that there is one God, and there is none other but He
You forget that they were referring to the shema inwhich the word for “God” was “Elohim” which is PLURAL. Why didn't Moses choose a singular word for God?Moses said, “Hear O Israel, the Lord your Elohim (plural) is one Lord.”
Moses did not say, “Hear O Israel, the Lord your Eloah (singular) is one Lord.”
Did Moses have too many beers before writing the scriptures? I guess the reason why trinitarianism has been the MAJOR teaching of the christian church is because Moses had too much to drink.
thinker
Thinker,Easy on the mockery of Mosheh. Sometimes our own guilt can reflect onto another.
I am not trying to convert you Thinker, when one believes as they do, with steadfast, cornering them does not really do any good now does it.
They that trust in him, shall understand the truth: and they that are faithful in love shall rest in him: for grace and peace is to his elect. Book of Wisdom
Thinker,
If you would like start a thread on Etymology, for origins of Words and their meanings, I would encourage this. The discussion that are held with you always come down to triad teachings, which I have no use for, personally I get bored with it quickly.
Anything else you have been studing other than the triad that may be of some interest?
Quote (princess of the king @ Mar. 27 2010,10:06) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,09:40) pok said: Quote Mar 12:32 And the scribe said to him, `Well, Teacher, in truth thou hast spoken that there is one God, and there is none other but He
You forget that they were referring to the shema inwhich the word for “God” was “Elohim” which is PLURAL. Why didn't Moses choose a singular word for God?Moses said, “Hear O Israel, the Lord your Elohim (plural) is one Lord.”
Moses did not say, “Hear O Israel, the Lord your Eloah (singular) is one Lord.”
Did Moses have too many beers before writing the scriptures? I guess the reason why trinitarianism has been the MAJOR teaching of the christian church is because Moses had too much to drink.
thinker
Thinker,Easy on the mockery of Mosheh. Sometimes our own guilt can reflect onto another.
I am not trying to convert you Thinker, when one believes as they do, with steadfast, cornering them does not really do any good now does it.
They that trust in him, shall understand the truth: and they that are faithful in love shall rest in him: for grace and peace is to his elect. Book of Wisdom
pok,My point in the “mockery” was to show you that you have no good and reasonable explanation as to why Moses chose the plural “Elohim” instead of the singular “Eloah” in referencing God.
So you may as well just say that Moses' hand was not steady when he wrote his words because he was drunken with too much wine.
Do you believe in verbal inspiration? This means that every word was inspired by God. Moses was inspired by God to write “Elohim”(plural) and not “Eloah” (singular).
Paul paid attention to the use of words in their grammatical number. Paul identified the promised “seed” as Christ because the singular was used instead of the plural:
16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,”who is Christ.
Paul paid attention to the singular and plural form of words. You should pay attention too. Moses said, “Hear O Israel, for the Lord your Elohim (plural) is one.”
Trinitarianism will always remain because God has honored those who are true to His word. You anti-trinitarian, disobedient sons and daughters will always live as outsiders on the fringe. You will always be non-relevant in your world because your god was too high and mighty to stoop down to men.
thinker
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