Angels mixed with men

[Elizabeth]

terraricca

Rev 7:9 ¶ After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Right after John was told about the 144000, 12000 from every tribe of Israel, he was shown this great multitude from all nations. Now watch what is being said in the next two verses.

Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

These are all the martyrs, the saints, every one of them had come out of great tribulation, they all had given their live for Jesus, washed their ropes in his blood, and made them white; white symbolizing the righteousness of Christ. They are the once that were persecuted first by the Romans, and then by Antichrist.
They stand in front of the throne, they are the priests, they will serve in the temple of God while the 144000 will sit on thrones and judge with Christ, Rev. 20:4.

But you still haven't answered my question, so I will put it up again.

So, how will the rest of the world be judged if they are worthy to receive eternal life?
You and Nick insist by their works, or by the grace of God. Is that what Paul is teaching?

Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law (works).

Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

The only way we can receive grace (undeserved forgiveness for our sins) is through our faith in Jesus Christ; and that is the only way any one else can receive grace.
So, I ask you again, how can all those being resurrected in the second resurrection, find forgiveness without repentance?
and how will they repent without faith?
and how can they have faith in some one they don't know?
and how will they know him unless someone teaches them? because that is exactly what Paul is saying.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Georg

[terraricca]

Quote (Elizabeth @ May 03 2010,09:09)

terraricca Rev 7:9 ¶ After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;   Right after John was told about the 144000, 12000 from every tribe of Israel, he was shown this great multitude from all nations. Now watch what is being said in the next two verses. Rev 7:13   And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?   Rev 7:14   And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.   These are all the martyrs, the saints, every one of them had come out of great tribulation, they all had given their live for Jesus, washed their ropes in his blood, and made them white; white symbolizing the righteousness of Christ. They are the once that were persecuted first by the Romans, and then by Antichrist. They stand in front of the throne, they are the priests, they will serve in the temple of God while the 144000 will sit on thrones and judge with Christ, Rev. 20:4. But you still haven't answered my question, so I will put it up again. So, how will the rest of the world be judged if they are worthy to receive eternal life? You and Nick insist by their works, or by the grace of God. Is that what Paul is teaching? Rom 4:4   Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.   Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law (works).   Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:   The only way we can receive grace (undeserved forgiveness for our sins) is through our faith in Jesus Christ; and that is the only way any one else can receive grace. So, I ask you again, how can all those being resurrected in the second resurrection, find forgiveness without repentance? and how will they repent without faith? and how can they have faith in some one they don't know? and how will they know him unless someone teaches them? because that is exactly what Paul is saying. Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.   Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?   Georg

georg

the struggle will be for the second resurrection not for the first resurrection,

but the preaching will be from the righteous, the righteous will be well establish by the time the second resurrection will take place,

i do believe the judgment will be the same;accepting Christ redemption or dead,live or dead situation ,only the time we do not know,then wen time is up,Satan released for test and final destruction for all wickedness .

it is by the same grace that they will be saved but the works are the works of the faith in God what is the renewal of the spirit and producing the fruits of that faith.

all they other scriptures you quote say the same thing

[Elizabeth]

terraricca

You know that not all the dead will be resurrected at once, 1 Cor. 15:23, how does that fit in with your idea?
And you are still avoiding given me an answer as to how the dead will get to know Jesus, so that they can have faith in him.
Who are the righteous, and who are the “great multitude”?
How much time is given to the resurrected to learn, and repent?
If, as you say, the resurrection is “after” the millennium, it has to make sense.

Georg

[terraricca]

Quote (Elizabeth @ May 04 2010,01:24)

terraricca You know that not all the dead will be resurrected at once, 1 Cor. 15:23, how does that fit in with your idea? And you are still avoiding given me an answer as to how the dead will get to know Jesus, so that they can have faith in him. Who are the righteous, and who are the “great multitude”? How much time is given to the resurrected to learn, and  repent? If, as you say, the resurrection is “after” the millennium, it has to make sense. Georg

georg

1CO 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming,
1CO 15:24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.

1) first fruit
2)those who are Christ's this is the first resurrection.including the great multitude
3)then comes the end ,this is the second resurrection.
4)when he hand over the kingdom……..

[Elizabeth]

Quote (terraricca @ May 04 2010,08:40)

Quote (Elizabeth @ May 04 2010,01:24) terraricca You know that not all the dead will be resurrected at once, 1 Cor. 15:23, how does that fit in with your idea? And you are still avoiding given me an answer as to how the dead will get to know Jesus, so that they can have faith in him. Who are the righteous, and who are the “great multitude”? How much time is given to the resurrected to learn, and  repent? If, as you say, the resurrection is “after” the millennium, it has to make sense. Georg georg 1CO 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, 1CO 15:24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 1) first fruit 2)those who are Christ's this is the first resurrection.including the great multitude 3)then comes the end ,this is the second resurrection. 4)when he hand over the kingdom……..

and that is supposed to make sense?

Georg

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ May 04 2010,08:40) Quote (Elizabeth @ May 04 2010,01:24) terraricca You know that not all the dead will be resurrected at once, 1 Cor. 15:23, how does that fit in with your idea? And you are still avoiding given me an answer as to how the dead will get to know Jesus, so that they can have faith in him. Who are the righteous, and who are the “great multitude”? How much time is given to the resurrected to learn, and  repent? If, as you say, the resurrection is “after” the millennium, it has to make sense. Georg georg 1CO 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, 1CO 15:24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 1) first fruit 2)those who are Christ's this is the first resurrection.including the great multitude 3)then comes the end ,this is the second resurrection. 4)when he hand over the kingdom…….. and that is supposed to make sense? Georg

georg

you say;and that is supposed to make sense?

if that does not make sense to you georg can you explain it

with more sense??

[Elizabeth]

terraricca

According to you; Jesus will resurrect all the righteous, rule them for a 1000 years, resurrect all the unrighteous as he releases Satan, and turns the kingdom over to the Father, and during all of this the unrighteous are being judged.
Have I got it right?

Georg

[terraricca]

Quote (Elizabeth @ May 05 2010,00:55)

terraricca According to you; Jesus will resurrect all the righteous, rule them for a 1000 years, resurrect all the unrighteous as he releases Satan, and turns the kingdom over to the Father, and during all of this the unrighteous are being judged. Have I got it right? Georg

georg

in a nut shell yes.

[Elizabeth]

Quote (terraricca @ May 05 2010,01:52)

Quote (Elizabeth @ May 05 2010,00:55) terraricca According to you; Jesus will resurrect all the righteous, rule them for a 1000 years, resurrect all the unrighteous as he releases Satan, and turns the kingdom over to the Father, and during all of this the unrighteous are being judged. Have I got it right? Georg georg in a nut shell yes.

How can that make any sense?
How can Jesus have died for all, and then not give all a chance to be saved?
Did the world before Jesus knew about Jesus?
How long after Jesus, did it take for the world to know about Jesus? for that matter, does the “whole world”, I mean everybody, know about Jesus today? There are people living in jungles that have not heard about Jesus, he died for them too. They have to except his sacrifice too, before they can be saved; does that not mean they first have to get to know who Jesus is?

This is what I mean when I say, it has to make sense what you say when you claim something to be true.

Georg

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Quote (terraricca @ May 05 2010,01:52) Quote (Elizabeth @ May 05 2010,00:55) terraricca According to you; Jesus will resurrect all the righteous, rule them for a 1000 years, resurrect all the unrighteous as he releases Satan, and turns the kingdom over to the Father, and during all of this the unrighteous are being judged. Have I got it right? Georg georg in a nut shell yes. How can that make any sense? How can Jesus have died for all, and then not give all a chance to be saved? Did the world before Jesus knew about Jesus? How long after Jesus, did it take for the world to know about Jesus? for that matter, does the “whole world”, I mean everybody, know about Jesus today? There are people living in jungles that have not heard about Jesus, he died for them too. They have to except his sacrifice too, before they can be saved; does that not mean they first have to get to know who Jesus is? This is what I mean when I say, it has to make sense what you say when you claim something to be true. Georg

First off Jesus will not come back till the Gospel is preached to all 4 corners of the world.

Second, People before Jesus 'knew' him. It was prophesied even in adams time, that the Lord will come down and die for our sins.

So the people of those days were to look forward to the coming of Jesus…in the same respect we now look back at Jesus.

The ones who did so, and repented for their sins were held in a part of hell called “Abraham's Bosom” where they did not suffer, and were comforted.

Jesus took them to heaven after his ressurection.

People now a days die, and if they believe…they go straight to heaven.
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I personally believe in re-incarnation.
I don't know the rules and qualifications to be re-incarnated…but I do not believe it is an option for Christians or unbelieves who reject the gospel.

So maybe the people who never hear the gospel are given another chance at life through re-incarnation.

Aparently the jews of Jesus' day believed in it, and Jesus vaguely touched the subject in reference to Elijah coming back.

I don't know…but maybe this post gives you the seeds you need to begin an understanding.

[terraricca]

Quote (Elizabeth @ May 05 2010,18:28)

Quote (terraricca @ May 05 2010,01:52) Quote (Elizabeth @ May 05 2010,00:55) terraricca According to you; Jesus will resurrect all the righteous, rule them for a 1000 years, resurrect all the unrighteous as he releases Satan, and turns the kingdom over to the Father, and during all of this the unrighteous are being judged. Have I got it right? Georg georg in a nut shell yes. How can that make any sense? How can Jesus have died for all, and then not give all a chance to be saved? Did the world before Jesus knew about Jesus? How long after Jesus, did it take for the world to know about Jesus? for that matter, does the “whole world”, I mean everybody, know about Jesus today? There are people living in jungles that have not heard about Jesus, he died for them too. They have to except his sacrifice too, before they can be saved; does that not mean they first have to get to know who Jesus is? This is what I mean when I say, it has to make sense what you say when you claim something to be true. Georg

georg

after the 1000years the second ressurection take place and all of them will receive witnessing from the first resurection,and after a time Satan will be released and those who will have refuse Christ sacrifice will go in judgement;
;Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire,, with Satan and the wickets be destroyed by fire.
now there is no wicketness on the planet,so Christ can finish his mission and ……..
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
Rev 21:5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
Rev 21:6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.
Rev 21:7 He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
Rev 21:9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”

[Elizabeth]

Quote (terraricca @ May 06 2010,08:28)

Quote (Elizabeth @ May 05 2010,18:28) Quote (terraricca @ May 05 2010,01:52) Quote (Elizabeth @ May 05 2010,00:55) terraricca According to you; Jesus will resurrect all the righteous, rule them for a 1000 years, resurrect all the unrighteous as he releases Satan, and turns the kingdom over to the Father, and during all of this the unrighteous are being judged. Have I got it right? Georg georg in a nut shell yes. How can that make any sense? How can Jesus have died for all, and then not give all a chance to be saved? Did the world before Jesus knew about Jesus? How long after Jesus, did it take for the world to know about Jesus? for that matter, does the “whole world”, I mean everybody, know about Jesus today? There are people living in jungles that have not heard about Jesus, he died for them too. They have to except his sacrifice too, before they can be saved; does that not mean they first have to get to know who Jesus is? This is what I mean when I say, it has to make sense what you say when you claim something to be true. Georg georg after the 1000years the second ressurection take place and all of them will receive witnessing from the first resurection,and after a time Satan will be released and those who will have refuse Christ sacrifice will go in judgement;

Can you not see that that makes no sense at all?
How can Satan be released and the second resurrection be taken place? Besides, the second resurrection will with out a doubt take a long time, since not all will be resurrected at once. With Satan on the loose, who would have a chance?
No my friend, the second resurrection is during the millennium.
If it wasn't, who would Christ be ruling over; the righteous? are they the once need saving? or is it the once being resurrected?

Georg

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