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Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of the word ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity Doctrine
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity Doctrine
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity Doctrine
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resourcesThe Trinity Doctrine is a major or foundational doctrine for many Christians, so how could it be wrong?
Well history shows us that many Christians have been wrong in the past. The Reformation of the sixteenth century is one proof of this. Martin Luther pointed out that many of the so-called churches doctrines were false and he set out to to show the truth from scripture instead. Some of Martin Luther’s doctrinal corrections included matters that covered faith, salvation, baptisms and many other important subjects. In fact, Luther questioned 95 main points in his thesis, all aimed at the oppressive doctrine of the Roman Church. Of course Luther was anything but perfect himself, but he did challenge some things that needed challenging and the result of this was that some truths were restored back to the Church of God. However, Martin Luther may have preached truth on many subjects pertaining to the Church, but he still preached the Trinity Doctrine and held to this false foundation. So yes Martin Luther like all of us, was not perfect, but God rarely works through one man (except Christ) rather he works through his universal Church to reveal his truth..
As a result of the Reformation that Martin Luther sparked, Christians today freely acknowledge that salvation is a free gift of God and not by works, and many Christians know that we are not required to pay penance. Yet there was a time when salvation came by works and penance was preached, but today we know better.
So what makes us think that we have all the truth today. What gives us the false idea that denominational teachings are beyond question and the foundations of these denominations (creeds) are set forever. As it is written in Ephesians 5:27
That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.So it is clear that our bridegroom is coming back for a bride without blemish. Who are we to think that we are without blemish today? We must realize what Philippians 1:6 is saying:
being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.So we are clearly in a state of change, a state of being perfected. Our wrinkles are being ironed out, our spot and blemishes are being removed and we are being transformed from darkness into God’s glorious light. So yes it is very possible that there maybe some major errors in what we believe and not only does history teach us that this is possible, but scripture warns us of it as well.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;Acts 20:29-31
29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.
30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.So yes, Paul even teaches that there will be a great falling away. This will happen before that great day of Christ’s return. The falling away being spoken of here is taken from the Greek word ‘Apostasy’.
apostasia {ap-os-tas-ee’-ah}
to forsake, falling away, a falling away, defection, apostasy
feminine version of the word apostasion.
Apostasion: divorce, repudiation, a bill of divorce.So the Apostasy/great falling away/divorce is talking about a departing from Christ and we know that Christ is the truth, so a falling away would involve a departure of the doctrine of Christ. After this happens, the Man of Lawlessness is revealed as he is the fulfillment of mans lawlessness. Following that, the great gathering of the faithful to Christ will take place.
Apostasy > Antichrist > Jesus Christ.
So yes, it is not only possible that there will be great deception and a falling away from truth, but it is inevitable. So it shouldn’t be that much of a shock to find that the Trinity Doctrine is a false foundation, so why should we continue to believe it. Why should it remain as the foundation of our faith, when the foundation of true faith is that truth that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God.
Matthew 16:13-17
13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples,
“Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.We (God’s children) are even told in Revelation to come out of Babylon and we know that Babylon was a city that God destroyed because of her idolatry and false religion. Even though she was destroyed her influenced lived on and she made the whole world drunk on her wine. We are warned to not to be influenced by her in Revelation 18:4
Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;So if the scriptures quoted thus far, clearly demonstrate to you that Jesus is not the Most High God, rather his son, then you would do well to believe the truth in scripture and keep away from the wisdom of man and man made teachings and creeds. As it is written in 1 Corinthians 1:20
Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?I encourage all toward a living relationship with God and to be led by his Spirit and to change when he shows you truth. If you resist and continue to follow the words of men, then what reward will you receive for following the words of men over the truth of God? Do you fear God or Man? Are we not recognized by the fact that we are lead by the Spirit and have crucified the flesh. Are we not recognized by the fact that we should be lead by the Spirit of God and not the mind of man. As it is written in Romans 8:14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
It is also written in 1 John 4:2
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,and 2 John 1:7
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.So why is it that Trinitarians teach that God came in the flesh and that we must believe that Jesus is God or we are of the antichrist. Are not such teachings false? The correct confession is that Jesus is the son of God and the Christ, and that every tongue will confess that he is Lord. This Trinity Doctrine teaches to confess that Jesus is God and that God is triune and not one as scripture states. This false doctrine teaches us that God came in the flesh and it teaches us that God became a man and that God died and God took sin on himself. This is not only false, but it is truly stupid. You would do very well to keep away from this false teaching. Instead we should heed the words of the following scripture:
John 14:1
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.Luther did not use Revelations as a proof-text because he thought it was not canonical. The book is last in our Bibles because that’s where Luther’s German translation placed it. No printer would publish his Bible without the book.
The Trinity Doctrine is the Roman Catholic faith and the history of the that organisation is written in the blood of the martyrs.
The best Character follows the following teachings of Jesus:
Forgive 7×70 times, Love your neighbour, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, Avoid anger, hatred, revenge, pride and folly. We say such a person has a clean heart and secretes endorphin hormones most of the time (or is filled with holly spirit)and leads a healthy lifestyle. The person who does not follow those teachings of Jesus is said to have an evil heart (or is filled with evil spirit). People with evil hearts tend to misuse adrenaline hormones and can suffer from lifestyle diseases: high blood pressure, diabetes, stroke, cancer, kidney failure etc. and are unhappy most of their life.Following Jesus is following the above teachings. Being washed by the blood of Jesus is removing blood saturated with adrenaline hormones and replacing it with that saturated with endorphin hormones.Denial of the Trinity is the ONE major thread of ALL christian CULT teaching…here is clip of “JESUS” explaining away the doctrine of the trinity (very similar to what is taught on this site)….
That is carnal thinking David.
Denial of the Trinity is the result of the scripture’s denial of the Trinity. This so-called foundation of the faith is not explicitly taught in scripture like the true foundation is, and it is not even inferred. To arrive at the Trinity, one must soak his mind in that Babylonian doctrine first. Then he will see the Trinity in the Bible and everywhere else like 3 leaf clovers.the point I’d make to you t8 is that your anti-trinity belief is more in line with CULT doctrine, than with truth..simply because the very FOUNDATION of your teaching is theological in nature (relying on carnal understanding) instead of revelation-ary… it comes through human endeavors and human reasoning, and NOT from the Spirit of God..
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Paul said to the Galatians, “Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?” Basically we need to look again at HOW we first came to the faith, and realize that it was a Spiritual work – the truth was imparted to our HEARTS (through the Word of God)…it was NOT a work of human intellect..!!
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Please understand.. when we leave off being dependent on the Spirit for enlightenment, we start to lean again on our own understanding..and become deceived – while all the time THINKING *FOR SURE* that we KNOW the truth. (Proverbs 14:12)You need to apply your own words to yourself. I agree with scripture you do not.
For us, there is one God the Father and one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Whereas you say, “for you, there is one God the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. And one Lord the Lord Father, the Lord Son, and The Lord Spirit.
You have neglected to test the spirits and to test teachings. The traditions of men have prevailed and this is why you ignore scripture and replace it with tradition. And for this, you will lack power. But you can still let the Word of God renew your mind. But you steer your ship and it is up to you where you go.
…you THINK your teaching agrees with Scripture – just like EVERY cult thinks THEIR teaching agrees with Scripture…but you are looking ONLY with the eyes of your natural understanding!!
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What you perceive and promote to others as Bible fact is really the product of your own intellectual study and consequent logical conclusions – THEN Scripture is interpreted according to what you’ve ALREADY decided is right…this is the way of our carnal understanding – but we must yield to the guidance of the Spirit, and put no confidence in the flesh..!!Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom HE has sent”. I agree with Jesus and you are trying to take me away from the true faith and simplicity in Christ. However, you may have noticed that I am not budging. Eternal life is really important to me. More important than having unity in man’s wisdom. Even if persecution comes my way, I will follow Jesus and believe his words more than yours DavidL.
no – not trying to take you away from the true faith (lol) or the simplicity that is in Christ.. because sadly you have neither…
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your teaching on the Trinity lines up fair and square with what EVERY CULT TEACHES…Jesus taught that the only true God was the Father and that the Father sent him.
Peter taught that Jesus is the messiah and the son of the living God.
Paul said that for us there is one God the Father and one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ.I agree with them. You can name call all you like, but you are not calling me a cult. You are calling Jesus, Peter, and Paul a cult. Rather, we are of the flock which makes us sheep. If you are not of our flock, then from whence you come?
cults use the words of Scripture to promote their own doctrines…yet they will never admit it, and vehemently deny the charge of ‘cult’ – faithfully committed to their own particular form of religious delusion..!
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You have likewise formed your own understanding on the Trinity based on extra-biblical information..and now shamelessly try to convince us that what you are peddling is the very doctrine of Christ and the Apostles…!?!?
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No I am not of your flock t8, for as Jesus said concerning His sheep, “…they know not the voice of strangers.”The opposite. Cults admit that they use the words of Scripture to promote their own doctrines. It’s just that they are wrong. The RCC uses scripture to promote her Trinity Doctrine and they are open about that. But they twist the scripture to their own destruction.
You said: “You have likewise formed your own understanding on the Trinity based on extra-biblical information.”
That made me laugh. I quote scripture, but the Trinity is clearly extra-biblical. If you do not start with the external Trinity Doctrine, then scripture will teach you that Yeshua is the son of God, the messiah, and the one that God made both Lord and Christ.Oh man – t8…don’t you know that Trinitarians (as you call us) believe “..Yeshua is the Son of God, the Messiah, and the One that God made both Lord and Christ.”..??!!??
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we KNOW that Jesus is the Son of God – the difference is that, like Thomas, we see that He is MORE than just Lord…THIS is the revelation of Scripture THAT YOU DENY – not only was He WITH God – HE WAS GOD..!!How can you believe that he is the son of God in the true sense if you believe that he is the son of himself?
In word you say you believe that he is the son of God, but in deed you deny it by saying that he is the God that he is the son of.
One word for that confusion. Babylon.
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