alpha omega

[Ed J]

Hi Gene,

            Here is the first verse the “Aleph-Tav” is used:

“In the beginning God created את the heaven את and the earth.
 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the
 face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” (Genesis 1:1-2)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

pigs do not have holy pearls

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ July 10 2013,10:48)

pigs do not have holy pearls

Hey, that's not very nice.

[jammin]

ed

im just saying the truth

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ July 10 2013,17:55)

ed im just saying the truth

No, you're just giving your opinion.

[jammin]

ed,

mat 7.6
is that an opinion?|

that is a truth boy.
study hard

[kerwin]

Ed,

He is making a statement that could be applied to him as well as others.

The high priest of Jesus' time made a true statement even as he planned to crucify Jesus.

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ July 12 2013,05:19)

Ed, He is making a statement that could be applied to him as well as others. The high priest of Jesus' time made a true statement even as he planned to crucify Jesus.

Hi Kerwin, are you referring to this:

“And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know
 nothing at all, Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people,
 and that the whole nation perish not. And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest
 that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; And not for that nation only,
 but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.” (John 11:49-53)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

kerwin and ed,

false teachers never win in a battle.
they only use stories and not written word of God.

the best example of this are you guys.
you gave stories and not written word of God.
your doctrine is not in the bible

[Ed J]

Hi Everyone,

“And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God (the “Aleph-Tav”):
 and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying,
 Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God *IN* their foreheads.” (Rev 7:2-3)

               The “Aleph-Tav” *IS* Jesus Christ
             

GOD is: our strong powerful leader(=Aleph)
and the sign signal mark or monument(=Tav) which GOD gave
was Jesus Christ dying on a cross for our sins; does everyone here now agree?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2013,05:08)

Quote (kerwin @ July 12 2013,05:19) Ed, He is making a statement that could be applied to him as well as others. The high priest of Jesus' time made a true statement even as he planned to crucify Jesus. Hi Kerwin, are you referring to this: “And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know  nothing at all, Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people,  and that the whole nation perish not. And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest  that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; And not for that nation only,  but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.  Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.” (John 11:49-53) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed,

Yes.

[terraricca]

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Hi Everyone, “And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God (the “Aleph-Tav”):  and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying,  Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God *IN* their foreheads.” (Rev 7:2-3)                The “Aleph-Tav” *IS* Jesus Christ               GOD is: our strong powerful leader(=Aleph) and the sign signal mark or monument(=Tav) which GOD gave was Jesus Christ dying on a cross for our sins; does everyone here now agree? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

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GOD is: our strong powerful leader(=Aleph) and the sign signal mark or monument(=Tav) which GOD gave was Jesus Christ dying on a cross for our sins; does everyone here now agree?

I disagree with you ,the signal which God gives was in Christ RESURRECTION NOT HIS DEAD .

DEAD WAS MORE LIKE HE ABANDONED HIM WHILE THE RESURRECTION HIS TO GRATIFY HIM AND GLORIFY HIM AND FULFILLMENT OF HIS PROMISES ,………..

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2013,01:56)

Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,23:02) Hi Everyone, “And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God (the “Aleph-Tav”):  and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying,  Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God *IN* their foreheads.” (Rev 7:2-3)                The “Aleph-Tav” *IS* Jesus Christ               GOD is: our strong powerful leader(=Aleph) and the sign signal mark or monument(=Tav) which GOD gave was Jesus Christ dying on a cross for our sins; does everyone here now agree? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj Quote GOD is: our strong powerful leader(=Aleph) and the sign signal mark or monument(=Tav) which GOD gave was Jesus Christ dying on a cross for our sins; does everyone here now agree? I disagree with you ,the signal which God gives was in Christ RESURRECTION NOT HIS DEAD . DEAD WAS MORE LIKE HE ABANDONED HIM WHILE THE RESURRECTION HIS TO GRATIFY HIM AND GLORIFY HIM AND FULFILLMENT OF HIS PROMISES ,………..

Hi Pierre,

Seems like you are always looking for a reason to
disagree, of course the resurrection is included;
the “Gospel” is the sign given to the world.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 23 2013,21:51)

Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2013,01:56) Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,23:02) Hi Everyone, “And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God (the “Aleph-Tav”):  and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying,  Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God *IN* their foreheads.” (Rev 7:2-3)                The “Aleph-Tav” *IS* Jesus Christ               GOD is: our strong powerful leader(=Aleph) and the sign signal mark or monument(=Tav) which GOD gave was Jesus Christ dying on a cross for our sins; does everyone here now agree? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj Quote GOD is: our strong powerful leader(=Aleph) and the sign signal mark or monument(=Tav) which GOD gave was Jesus Christ dying on a cross for our sins; does everyone here now agree? I disagree with you ,the signal which God gives was in Christ RESURRECTION NOT HIS DEAD . DEAD WAS MORE LIKE HE ABANDONED HIM WHILE THE RESURRECTION HIS TO GRATIFY HIM AND GLORIFY HIM AND FULFILLMENT OF HIS PROMISES ,……….. Hi Pierre, Seems like you are always looking for a reason to disagree, of course the resurrection is included; the “Gospel” is the sign given to the world. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ

in my book the truth lays without ambiguities ,

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2013,04:03)

EDJ in my book the truth lays without ambiguities ,

I guess the N.I.V. isn't your book then.  

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2013,04:56)

Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2013,04:03) EDJ in my book the truth lays without ambiguities , I guess the N.I.V. isn't your book then.

edj

I was talking about you this time

[tigger2]

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What this thread is about is *WHY* Jesus referred to himself as the “Aleph-Tav”. – Ed J – July 7, 2013.

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Here is the first verse the “Aleph-Tav” is used: “In the beginning God created את the heaven את and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” (Genesis 1:1-2) – Ed J – July 10, 2013.

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A. Jesus never referred to himself as the ‘Aleph Tau’ nor the ‘Alpha and Omega.’ –  
http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2009….on.html " class="bbcode-link"> http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2009….on.html

B. I have seen references to the “Aleph Tau” (‘Tav’ in modern Hebrew) found in OT Hebrew manuscripts and left 'untranslated' in all Bibles. Some Trinitarians have selected a verse where this usage is found in connection with God or the Messiah and claim that this is falsely left untranslated and should be translated as “the Alpha and the Omega” or the “first and the last” or “Jesus,” etc.

“[Aleph Tau], the definite direct object indicator, is never translated. When standing independently, it is rendered [in this source] with three asterisks (***, e.g., Gen. 1:1).” – p. xxvii, The NIV Interlinear Hebrew-English Old Testament , Vol. 1, Zondervan Publ., 1979.

It is found numerous times through all the Hebrew Scriptures and is often used with someone other than God or the Messiah! For example, in Gen. 13:11 it is associated with Lot (and indicates that he chose the whole plain). At Gen. 14:16 it is used with Abram (not God). Gen. 17:26 uses this same indicator with Ishmael (not God). And so it goes throughout the Hebrew scriptures.

'Aleph Tau' as used in this manner has absolutely nothing to do with “first and last,” “alpha and Omega,” “beginning,” etc., and any serious Hebrew OT scholar (even beginners) is aware of this!

“In view of the fundamental grammatical use of the ‘aleph tav’ no wonder the ‘aleph tav’ is found on every page of the Hebrew Scriptures, without ‘aleph tav’ one would not know who is doing what!

“A flaw in the ‘aleph tav’ (את) revelations of the Christian and Messianic movements is that close to 2000 years of scholarship has not made any connection between the ‘aleph tav’ (את) and the Alpha (Α) and the Omega (Ω).” –
" target="_blank">http://menashedovid1.wordpress.com/aleph-%D7%90-tav-%D7%AA/[/url]  

Since ‘Aleph Tau’ is used simply as an indicator that a definite direct object follows, it is not translated into other languages.  Not even the translators of the ancient Greek Septuagint translation of the OT translated this indicator into their translation.

[Wakeup]

Tigger2.

Do you have to go through all that to proof
that Jesus is not the Word of God,but an angel
or some other creature?

Scriptures are clear saying; that *ALL* things were made
by God *UTTERING* His command.(His Word).
Micha'el also was made by God's command.

When Jesus said: I am Alpha And Omega.
Who was speaking? Was it not God's own Word?
All words spoken by Jesus on earth; was it not God speaking?
Jesus was God's mouth piece.

One more thing.
The light bearer was lucifer,He is now called satan;
the prince of darkness.
Jesus is The light.

wakeup.

[tigger2]

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What this thread is about is *WHY* Jesus referred to himself as the “Aleph-Tav”. – Ed J – July 7, 2013.

More on the topic of this thread:

“In this article, we’re going to look at a part of Hebrew grammar that beginning students often want to know. There’s a particle in Hebrew (אֵת) that isn’t translated into English. This particle indicates that a ‘direct object’ is ahead in that sentence.” –
http://blogs.transparent.com/hebrew….-object " class="bbcode-link"> http://blogs.transparent.com/hebrew….-object

‘Aleph Tau’ is also transliterated as ‘et’ by some:
http://www.uvm.edu/~gbavly/lsn9/lsn9.html " class="bbcode-link"> http://www.uvm.edu/~gbavly/lsn9/lsn9.html

And

“Other parts of the Hebrew sentence are the direct object (‘musa’), and complements to any noun (‘levai’). Unlike English, complements follow the noun, rather than precede it, and also like the verb they follow the subject's gender, person and article. Thus, “Ha-chatul ha-qatan akhal et ha-gvinah”, “The small cat ate the cheese”, the subject is “ha-chatul”, “the cat”, the complement is “ha-qatan”, “the small”, the predicate is “akhal”, “ate” (3rd person masculine past of the root A-K-L in Pa`al), and “ha-gvinah”, “the cheese” is the object. Note that both the words for “cat” and for “small” received the definite article.” [direct object indicator is underlined and emphasized by me.] –
http://www.fact-index.com/h/he/hebrew_grammar.html " class="bbcode-link"> http://www.fact-index.com/h/he/hebrew_grammar.html

[Wakeup]

Tigger2.

Do we all need to be experts in a foreign language
to find the truth?
Is the truth not found in the scriptures?
Are the scriptures not written by the inspiration of God?
Can the internet give everlasting life?

Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; **Cursed** be the man that
***trusteth in man***, and ***maketh flesh his arm***,
and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

wakeup.

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