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Quote There will be peace in the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, You will attack a people living undisturbed, quite and undefended…. and in Eze 39:26 My people living in their homeland …free from terror…
KerasI will go through all your scriptures with you.
Isaiah 61:1 For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth.
Isaiah 61:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
Israel will be called by a new name, because their name has been polluted, and they have shamed God with that name.Isaiah 61:3 Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.
Israel will be a model nation. God will consider them as one of his jewels.Isaiah 61:4 Thou shall no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.
Israel shall be called Hephzibah, and the kingdom area Beulah.Isaiah 61:5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoices over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
This can only happen during the millennium.
Quote the prophecy about Gog attacking proves it – Ezekiel 38:11
Ezekiel 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,This is after the 1000 years, when Satan is let out of prison. He will chose a man again, Gog to lead and attack the holy camp, where the Jews are living, Beulah (the kingdom area)
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.Ezekiel chapters 38 & only part 39 fill in the gaps regarding this time, after the thousand years.
They will attack the kingdom, but will not prevail. God will rain brimstone and fire on Gog and his armies (Magog).
Satan will be destroyed then and thrown into the lake of fire after this last battle.Quote How is it logical for Jesus to clear the holy Land as the prophesies I quote at His Return? He destroys the armies of the AC at Armageddon, but why wipe out those in J,lem who say: Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord?
Sorry what scripture are you quoting?Journey 42, I disagree that Isaiah 62 can only happen during the Millennium. The whole end times story is about the great 2nd exodus of the Lord's people, they gather and go to live in all of the holy Land, Ezekiel 20:34-38, where they 'display His glory, Eze 39:27, and become a 'light to the nations'. They consist of every tribe race and language, Rev 7:9 and they send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus.
Try to look at it that way and then you will find how much better all the prophesies fit and make sense.The Gog/Magog attack will occur when Beulah is settled and prosperous in the Land. The ref to Gog in Rev 20:8 is merely an allegory to describe another vast army.
Matthew 23:37-39 says there will be people in J,lem to say; Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord.
keras,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Journey 42, I disagree that Isaiah 62 can only happen during the Millennium. The whole end times story is about the great 2nd exodus of the Lord's people, they gather and go to live in all of the holy Land,
Hi KerasLook at this verse again. It doesn't fit into your scenario.
Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
I'm confused with your comment? Great 2nd Exodus?
There was only one great exodus, and it took them forty years to reach Israel. God was not completely happy with Israel the whole time, even though he fought their battles for them.
Isaiah was prophesying future for them. The gentiles back then did not see Israel's righteousness, for Israel were always hated, and even Isaiah prophesied against them constantly.
Israel were not given a new name. The land was never called Beulah, nor were the Israelites, or the hebrews ever called Hepzibar. This is future. God says he will punish them first, then give mercy.Christ brings that mercy on his return. He will end their oppression which God will cause for them. Christ will be their saviour, and they will know it. Then they will be known for their righteousness, and all the kings will bring their glory into the kingdom, during the millennium.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honor of the nations into it.Quote they gather and go to live in all of the holy Land, Ezekiel 20:34-38, where they 'display His glory, If you start from the beginning of the chapter, you can see God is not happy with them, but I'll start from here so you can see.
Ezekiel 20:21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.
Ezekiel 20:22 Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth.
Ezekiel 20:23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;
Ezekiel 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
Ezekiel 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
Ezekiel 20:26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.
Ezekiel 20:27 Therefore, son of man, speak unto the house of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Yet in this your fathers have blasphemed me, in that they have committed a trespass against me.
Ezekiel 20:28 For when I had brought them into the land, for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to them, then they saw every high hill, and all the thick trees, and they offered there their sacrifices, and there they presented the provocation of their offering: there also they made their sweet savour, and poured out there their drink offerings.Ezekiel 20:29 Then I said unto them, What is the high place whereunto ye go? And the name thereof is called Bamah unto this day.
Ezekiel 20:30 Wherefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Are ye polluted after the manner of your fathers? and commit ye whoredom after their abominations?Ezekiel 20:31 For when ye offer your gifts, when ye make your sons to pass through the fire, ye pollute yourselves with all your idols, even unto this day: and shall I be enquired of by you, O house of Israel? As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will not be enquired of by you.
Ezekiel 20:32 And that which cometh into your mind shall not be at all, that ye say, We will be as the heathen, as the families of the countries, to serve wood and stone.
Ezekiel 20:33 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
DISCIPLINE YOU (ISRAEL)Ezekiel 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
God is going to gather them again/round them up; he is so furious.Ezekiel 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
This happened in 1948. Israel given their own state. Gathered in the one place now.Ezekiel 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you[/b], saith the Lord GOD.
They will have no choice, because Jacob's trouble is coming upon them.Ezekiel 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
God is going to punish them.
Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
Proverbs 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.Ezekiel 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
This will happen at the coming of Christ.You can see quite clearly Israel are not displaying God's glory here, but instead will face his wrath.
keras,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Eze 39:27, and become a 'light to the nations'. They consist of every tribe race and language, Keras,
This battle is different, and I mentioned that earlier. No one is putting the “AFTER SATAN IS RELEASED FROM PRISON” and should go out to DECEIVE THE NATIONS which are GOG AND MAGOG, to gather them together to battle: the number who is the sand as the sea (Israelites living in the kingdom) Rev 20:7-9.
Not one person on any internet forum can accept this. I wonder why? It says in Rev GOG and MAGOG, after the 1000 years when Satan is released…and will decieve the nations in the 4 quarters of the earth GOG AND MAGOG.
Ezekiel 38 & 39 IS ABOUT GOG AND MAGOG
Something is connecting here….WE CAN PLACE IT NOW IN THE FULL PICTURE.Need to start from here.
The following verse is wrapping up what happens after that Gog and Magog battle. (this prophecy is way way into the future. A thousand years after Christ's return.
Gog and his multitude will be buried at the Valley of HamonGog. It will take 7months to bury all the dead, and 7 years to burn all their weapons. (ezekiel 39:9-10)
Their weapons are made of WOOD because after the 2nd coming, all factories and machinery are destroyed. Man goes back to tools of wood, houses of wood, etc, and in this case weapons of wood.Ezekiel 39:15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.
Ezekiel 39:16 And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land.
There's a lot of dead bodies thereEzekiel 39:17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
ANOTHER FEAST/SACRIFICEEzekiel 39:18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
Ezekiel 39:19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
Ezekiel 39:20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
DURING THE THOUSAND YEARS THERE WILL BE REST. AFTER THE THOUSAND YEARS, SATAN IS RELEASED FROM PRISON. HE ROUNDS UP GOG, AND MAGOG AND USES THEM TO ATTACK THE HOLY CAMP/KINGDOM (BEULAH) WHERE THE JEWS ARE LIVING.
SATAN STARTS TROUBLE STRAIGHT AWAY, JUST LIKE HE DID IN THE BEGINNING. THOSE THAT FOLLOW HIM, ARE NOT SERVING GOD, THEY ARE THOSE AT THE END OF THAT 1000 YEAR GENERATION WHO HAVE NOT RESPECTED CHRIST'S LAWS.Ezekiel 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
THIS IS IT. ALL THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS IN THE KINGDOM WILL SEE GOD'S POWER AND HOW HE WILL PROTECT THEM FROM THE ENEMY THIS TIME.Ezekiel 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
THIS WILL BE HISTORY FOR THEM. BUT FOR US IT'S FUTURE. THEY WILL BE TAUGHT HISTORY OF WHAT HAPPENED TO ISRAEL 1000 YEARS BEFORE AS A LESSON.Ezekiel 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
GOD IS RECOUNTINGEzekiel 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
GOD IS SAYING HE IS GOING TO PERFORM ALL THIS.Ezekiel 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
ONLY AFTER GOD PUNISHES THEM, WILL HE BRING THEM BACK INEzekiel 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
GOD IS STILL SAYING, WHEN HE DOES THIS.Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
AGAIN, GOD EXPLAINING, ONLY THEN WHEN HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO WITH THE ROD, WILL ISRAEL UNDERSTAND WHY HE HAD TO DO ITEzekiel 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
Keras. My bolding capitals is not me shouting. I just want it to stand out. To catch the eye.
Please consider that maybe God is showing you something here, because if you are a true man of God, and sincere, which I believe may be the case, then he will not continue to let you teach error, but will correct you instead, as we must handle the word of God very carefully.Journey42, thanks for your efforts to correct my error as you see it.
I am familiar with all the scripture that you quote above and I assure that I am very aware of the importance and consequences of teaching error. James 3:1
But from my intensive study of all the Prophetic Word, with the inspiration to write over 500 articles in 4 books on end time Bible prophecy, then I believe that I promote the truth. God is using me, an uneducated person – Matthew 11:25 to inform people who will listen, what is about to happen.
Those who have been taught, or have come to a wrong conclusion about the end times, are told in Isaiah 29:9-12 If you confuse yourself you will stay confused… For the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep stupor… the prophetic Word has become for you like a sealed book.
Therefore, am I right in thinking you have had a seminary or Bible college education? If so that would explain your beliefs.The book of Revelation gives us the sequence of events – the Seals first, then the trumpets and bowls of the Great Tribulation. The first 5 seals are opened, we have experienced war , famines and plague thru the ages and the 5th seal saints were killed since Jesus departed.
So the next event we can expect is the 6th Seal, it IS the Day of the Lord's wrath, it will change the world. Be aware – Isaiah 24
logostelos.infokeras,April wrote:[/quote]
Hi Keras,Quote Therefore, am I right in thinking you have had a seminary or Bible college education? If so that would explain your beliefs. No Keras, none of that. Just started reading at 12 when a relative (Wakeup) gave me my first bible.
I was interested in spiritual things, and started going the wrong way, then Wakeup gave me a good talking to.
Since then, I have studied for 33 years in my own home and often run excitedly to Wakeup's house to discuss the scriptures with him.He helped me a lot, because I would never of been able to put history together. Those old empires. We were not taught about those things in school. He also taught me about the 10 kings, and the false prophet and the NWO 33 years ago. He told me about the elites, the Rothchilds, etc who own all the banks,… and he didn't read books. I didn't read books. We didn't go to church. We didn't have the internet. He just picked up things here and there from the news, and t.v. documentaries and could see the way the world was heading and made the connection with bible prophecy. We didn't even have bar codes in those days. So at 12 I was expecting a cashless society to come about, and when the bar codes came, I knew the world was being prepared.
And it just went from there. I read the gospels first, and Wakeup showed me how important the prophesies were. I didn't like the OT at first because it was overwhelming. I couldn't put things into perspective, but over the years have managed to do that. Have gotten a few minor details wrong along the way, and have been corrected, but the whole foundation and doctrine has been the same from beginning till now.
I could of written 100 books on many topics, but glad I didn't because I would of have to recall if I made even 1 error.
I think you have a lot of knowledge, and I like it when you come on here ….and I consider you a brother but there's just some things that need tidying up, and the scriptures have to harmonise perfectly, because if one piece of the puzzle does not fit, then the picture will go out slightly or even dramatically.
So please understand I am not trying to put you down or make you look bad, but trying to also share what I have been given with you, for the sake of the truth, and we must remember God is no respecter of persons, or status, but choses the humble.
The others here would not know much about what we are talking about, but can learn from our conversations, and our scriptures provided, so I try to keep it simple, for them.
God bless.
Hi J42,
Knowledge is not to prepare us to survive the tribulation as much as to show us the way of salvationHi,
Our God is a consuming fire.
Only the robe of the Son can cover and protect us.heb 12
18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2014,06:24) Hi J42,
Knowledge is not to prepare us to survive the tribulation as much as to show us the way of salvation
NickKnowledge is everything and to preparing us for the Great tribulation to come. To be wise, to know what's coming, to know what to do and what not to do. God has guided us through his holy scriptures, and revealed the things hidden from the non-believers. To accept the Mark of the Beast would be to lose one's salvation, and many Christians will because of lack of knowledge concerning this, for many preachers have not warned the flock.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2014,11:10) Hi J42,
Knowledge without obedience and wisdom and grace is just vanity
NickYou are still preaching the milk. We are not children. Lets move on to solids.
Grace without knowledge is nothing, for knowledge is in the scriptures. Without knowledge, so many christians will perish and be deceived.
Thanks journey 42, we both seek the truth and pray for guidance.
I posted the OP of this thread, it is the end times story in a logical, coherent and scripturally correct sequence. Supported by many verses and there are plenty more that support that scenario. If it does not suit your idea of how the end times will pan out, then refute it, but only with scripture.
One problem we may have with discussing this issue, is your adherence to the KJV Bible. This 400 year old translation causes misunderstandings and for me, using a modern trans, I would constantly have to point out where your KJV is wrong or the old English now means something different.Keras.
J42,has gone away for a few days.
I believe that God has preserved His Word seven times.
He knew that satan will corrupt God's Word to confuse and
divide,with all these new glossy translations.The scribes in charge of translating scriptures for many days
have been antichrists jews. Please take note of that.
It is the truth we must seek and protect;and nothing else.Greetings to you.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2014,23:05) Keras. J42,has gone away for a few days.
I believe that God has preserved His Word seven times.
He knew that satan will corrupt God's Word to confuse and
divide,with all these new glossy translations.The scribes in charge of translating scriptures for many days
have been antichrists jews. Please take note of that.
It is the truth we must seek and protect;and nothing else.Greetings to you.
wakeup.
Wakeup,
Don't you realize how inaccurate and difficult to read the KJV is? Satan is surely happy that he has convinced so many to believe later translations are corrupted.
Absolute rubbish that translators are AC Jews, I trust my REB to be carefully and accurately rendered.
I suggest you google KJV errors and see how bad and mis-leading it really is.Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2014,23:05) Keras. J42,has gone away for a few days.
Hi Wakeup.Our plans to go away are still up in the air at the moment, so I am still here for the time being, busy, but coming on here whenever I get a chance.
Greetings to you.
Quote Thanks journey 42, we both seek the truth and pray for guidance.
I posted the OP of this thread, it is the end times story in a logical, coherent and scripturally correct sequence. Supported by many verses and there are plenty more that support that scenario. If it does not suit your idea of how the end times will pan out, then refute it, but only with scripture.Thank you Keras.
As you can see I have been doing that in my reply's to you. I am happy to expand more and you are welcome to dispute any of my evidence with scriptures also.
Quote One problem we may have with discussing this issue, is your adherence to the KJV Bible. This 400 year old translation causes misunderstandings and for me, using a modern trans, I would constantly have to point out where your KJV is wrong or the old English now means something different.
If you can show me where my interpretation is out because it does not coincide with the wording of your bible, then I am happy to address it. If your problem with my answer is just not understanding the old english, because you are not familiar with the wording, then I will be happy to help you.
This talk of the KJV being corrupt, is just not going to do it for me. I take a strong stance in the position God preserved his Word, not just in the hebrew and greek, but in the translation to english in the KJV.Lets put the issue of Bible translations to one side, any further argument could cause grief.
Please re-read my OP again. It is a dissertation on God's plan and what the next prophesied event will be.
Any part you wish to be clarified or expanded on, just ask.
Or if you have an alternative end time scenario, I would be pleased to look at it.
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