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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 05 2013,18:32) Brother EdJ,or is it elder EdJ. wakeup.
Either, neither, your call.Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,21:41) wup Quote Nope, Jesus said: “My Kingdom is not of this world”.
That means God's kingdom is spiritual, rather than physical.is your deduction true
think it over for a little while or sit back ;what you think Christ was thinking wen he said 'MY KINGDOM HIS NOT OF THIS WORLD “was it the earth that he talked about or was it the corrupt powers condition that he was referring to ,and worshiping God in spirit and truth does change the world but does not make us going spirits ,
True, Ter.He didn't say, “My Kingdom is not of this Earth”.
But that it was not of this world.Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 05 2013,16:26) Hi 2Besee. I am snarling at the spirit that is blocking you guys
from seeing the truth.
Sure there re many good people in all those churches,but they are deceived by their shepherds.
Their oppressors.
But that does not mean that they are without guild.
Because they let themselves to be deceived.
How is that possible?
It is because of lack of passion for the tuth.Anyone that will not accept scriptures straight out of the bible; he/she is being blocked.
I am snarling just to shake them up; to get the blood pumping.Some scriptures I have presented so simple;and yet,they can not understand. There must be some interference from outside.The air is full of them.
,like eagles gathering.Thank you Besee,Ill take it easier next time.
God bless.
wakeup.
Thank you Wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,22:42) The saints will be kings and priests and rule with Christ.
BUT RULE OVER WHOM? you say the earth will be destroyed,only the saints left. WHO WILL THEY BE RULING OVER.And what about the remnants of the jews; what about the 7000 reserved 1kings 19:18.
What about the reserved in pauls time? Rom.11:4.5.Where would you fit them in your doctrine?
Wakeup,
Who will the Saints be ruling over in the New Heavens and the New Earth?
'After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands'
'Then I saw a great white throne and him who sat upon it; from his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done.
And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.'Quote (2besee @ Feb. 05 2013,20:46) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,22:42) The saints will be kings and priests and rule with Christ.
BUT RULE OVER WHOM? you say the earth will be destroyed,only the saints left. WHO WILL THEY BE RULING OVER.And what about the remnants of the jews; what about the 7000 reserved 1kings 19:18.
What about the reserved in pauls time? Rom.11:4.5.Where would you fit them in your doctrine?
Wakeup,
Who will the Saints be ruling over in the New Heavens and the New Earth?
'After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands'
'Then I saw a great white throne and him who sat upon it; from his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done.
And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.'
2Besee.That is the white throne judgement;that consist of all people of all generations that died,and of all sorts of religions.There are some good ones amongst them.
That judgement is 1000yrs after,the coming.
The coming is the judgement of the saints and their reward. And at the same time the jews that died of all generations,brought back to live. By choice,not all the jews,but the remnant.The reserved,(1kings 19:18)(Rom.11:4.5).And the saints will rule over them and teach them.
And they will teach the remnant of the gentiles out side the cube.(kingdom). 2240kmx2240kmx2240 km high.
This is a spiritual wall,protected by God.The fallen angels can not come in,satan is in prison.
This means that all people have a second chance to come to the Lord.
God is a righteous judge.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 05 2013,20:46) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,22:42) The saints will be kings and priests and rule with Christ.
BUT RULE OVER WHOM? you say the earth will be destroyed,only the saints left. WHO WILL THEY BE RULING OVER.And what about the remnants of the jews; what about the 7000 reserved 1kings 19:18.
What about the reserved in pauls time? Rom.11:4.5.Where would you fit them in your doctrine?
Wakeup,
Who will the Saints be ruling over in the New Heavens and the New Earth?
'After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands'
'Then I saw a great white throne and him who sat upon it; from his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done.
And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.'
2besee,There is a first resurrection & a second resurrection.
The first resurrection only concerns those who lived & died for Christ…
The second resurrection, after the 1000 years is for the rest of humanity that ever lived…
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 05 2013,14:21) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,21:41) wup Quote Nope, Jesus said: “My Kingdom is not of this world”.
That means God's kingdom is spiritual, rather than physical.is your deduction true
think it over for a little while or sit back ;what you think Christ was thinking wen he said 'MY KINGDOM HIS NOT OF THIS WORLD “was it the earth that he talked about or was it the corrupt powers condition that he was referring to ,and worshiping God in spirit and truth does change the world but does not make us going spirits ,
True, Ter.He didn't say, “My Kingdom is not of this Earth”.
But that it was not of this world.
many also get mix with the leaders and the kingdom ,for some reason they believe that the kingdom are the leaders ,but this is not so ,
Wakeup,
Regarding 'Born Again', I was doing my bible study today and look what I found that proves you wrong:
1st John 3:7-10.
Little children, don’t let anyone deceive you. The person who practices righteousness is righteous, just as the Messiah is righteous. The person who practices sin belongs to the evil one, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason that the Son of God was revealed was to destroy what the devil has been doing. No one who has been BORN FROM GOD practices sin, because God’s seed abides in him. Indeed, he cannot go on sinning, because he has been BORN FROM GOD. This is how God’s children and the devil’s children are distinguished. No person who fails to practice righteousness and to love his brother is from God.
————
And as for my saying that we do not need teachers because the Holy Spirit is our teacher and you say that people need you three as teachers?
1st John 2:26-27,
The message that the Son himself declared to us is eternal life. I have written to you about those who are trying to deceive you. The anointing you received from God abides in you, and YOU DO NOT NEED ANYONE TO TEACH YOU. Instead, because GODS ANNOINTING TEACHES YOU ABOUT EVERYTHING AND IS TRUE AND NOT A LIE, abide in him, as he taught you to do.
Devo and Wakeup,
Regarding your other two posts, you were trying to confuse me by asking who the Saints would be ruling over in eternity, as if I should know everything. I do not know everything. I only what what I am shown as I am shown. I am not a teacher.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 06 2013,08:21) Wakeup, Regarding 'Born Again', I was doing my bible study today and look what I found that proves you wrong:
1st John 3:7-10.
Little children, don’t let anyone deceive you. The person who practices righteousness is righteous, just as the Messiah is righteous. The person who practices sin belongs to the evil one, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason that the Son of God was revealed was to destroy what the devil has been doing. No one who has been BORN FROM GOD practices sin, because God’s seed abides in him. Indeed, he cannot go on sinning, because he has been BORN FROM GOD. This is how God’s children and the devil’s children are distinguished. No person who fails to practice righteousness and to love his brother is from God.
————
And as for my saying that we do not need teachers because the Holy Spirit is our teacher and you say that people need you three as teachers?
1st John 2:26-27,
The message that the Son himself declared to us is eternal life. I have written to you about those who are trying to deceive you. The anointing you received from God abides in you, and YOU DO NOT NEED ANYONE TO TEACH YOU. Instead, because GODS ANNOINTING TEACHES YOU ABOUT EVERYTHING AND IS TRUE AND NOT A LIE, abide in him, as he taught you to do.
Thank you 2Besee.Please answer truly:
1.Do you celebrate christmas?2.Are you one that can not sin? (1John 3:9).
3. What is the difference between born of God and begotten of God?
4.What is the difference between born again, and the renewing of the mind?
5.Do you believe the bible speaks of the physical and the spiritual?
6.How many times can one be born, according the scriptures?To be honest.
To be suspicious is a must today; but if whole scriptures
are presented,and not seriously regarded;then there is someting wrong with the spirit,and that is a great problem today. For all scriptures are from God for guidance.To deny whole scriptures is lack of love for the word.
I have no doctrine of myself to teach,for I only have the scriptures,and I show whole scriptures. Not bits here and there.The world has ignored the true teachings of the bible so far. As I have posted whole scriptures of isaiah 32 to you, and you have so far turned a blind eye to it.
God is telling us his feelings toward the daughters of Zion,and he is far from pleased. And you have just ignored it. It doesnt bother you a bit.
Where is your true love for the word? That spirit definitely missing.
wakeup.
2besee,Feb. wrote:[/quote]
Quote And as for my saying that we do not need teachers because the Holy Spirit is our teacher and you say that people need you three as teachers? 2Besse
If you don't like war, then why are you trying to cause one with divisions?
One thing is for sure, Us THREE are in unity. We believe and understand the same. You guys are all over the place, and whilst disagreeing with us, you even disagree with each other. Where's the unity there? We preach Christ, and the Word, that is our goal. The truth of the sriptures.
We don't preach ourselves. You on the other hand claim you have had visions from God.You search the scriptures to prove us three wrong, but that is good, at least you are going into the scriptures and you are all stirred up.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 06 2013,08:27) Devo and Wakeup, Regarding your other two posts, you were trying to confuse me by asking who the Saints would be ruling over in eternity, as if I should know everything. I do not know everything. I only what what I am shown as I am shown. I am not a teacher.
2BesseThen why are you acting as the expert?
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2013,10:04) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 06 2013,08:21) Wakeup, Regarding 'Born Again', I was doing my bible study today and look what I found that proves you wrong:
1st John 3:7-10.
Little children, don’t let anyone deceive you. The person who practices righteousness is righteous, just as the Messiah is righteous. The person who practices sin belongs to the evil one, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason that the Son of God was revealed was to destroy what the devil has been doing. No one who has been BORN FROM GOD practices sin, because God’s seed abides in him. Indeed, he cannot go on sinning, because he has been BORN FROM GOD. This is how God’s children and the devil’s children are distinguished. No person who fails to practice righteousness and to love his brother is from God.
————
And as for my saying that we do not need teachers because the Holy Spirit is our teacher and you say that people need you three as teachers?
1st John 2:26-27,
The message that the Son himself declared to us is eternal life. I have written to you about those who are trying to deceive you. The anointing you received from God abides in you, and YOU DO NOT NEED ANYONE TO TEACH YOU. Instead, because GODS ANNOINTING TEACHES YOU ABOUT EVERYTHING AND IS TRUE AND NOT A LIE, abide in him, as he taught you to do.
Thank you 2Besee.Please answer truly:
1.Do you celebrate christmas?2.Are you one that can not sin? (1John 3:9).
3. What is the difference between born of God and begotten of God?
4.What is the difference between born again, and the renewing of the mind?
5.Do you believe the bible speaks of the physical and the spiritual?
6.How many times can one be born, according the scriptures?To be honest.
To be suspicious is a must today; but if whole scriptures
are presented,and not seriously regarded;then there is someting wrong with the spirit,and that is a great problem today. For all scriptures are from God for guidance.To deny whole scriptures is lack of love for the word.
I have no doctrine of myself to teach,for I only have the scriptures,and I show whole scriptures. Not bits here and there.The world has ignored the true teachings of the bible so far. As I have posted whole scriptures of isaiah 32 to you, and you have so far turned a blind eye to it.
God is telling us his feelings toward the daughters of Zion,and he is far from pleased. And you have just ignored it. It doesnt bother you a bit.
Where is your true love for the word? That spirit definitely missing.
wakeup.
WakeupSo many question?
You will be making 2Besse 2Busy
Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 06 2013,10:20) Wakeup So many question?
You will be making 2Besse 2Busy
I hate that when I spell wrong.QUESTIONS
Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 06 2013,10:26) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 06 2013,10:20) Wakeup So many question?
You will be making 2Besse 2Busy
I hate that when I spell wrong.QUESTIONS
Hi Journey.You shall not hate your own spelling.
wakeup.Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2013,10:33) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 06 2013,10:26) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 06 2013,10:20) Wakeup So many question?
You will be making 2Besse 2Busy
I hate that when I spell wrong.QUESTIONS
Hi Journey.You shall not hate your own spelling.
wakeup.
That's right. My spelling has not sinned against me, for I was the one that mishandled it!
Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 06 2013,12:18) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 06 2013,08:21) Quote And as for my saying that we do not need teachers because the Holy Spirit is our teacher and you say that people need you three as teachers? 2Besse
If you don't like war, then why are you trying to cause one with divisions?
One thing is for sure, Us THREE are in unity. We believe and understand the same. You guys are all over the place, and whilst disagreeing with us, you even disagree with each other. Where's the unity there? We preach Christ, and the Word, that is our goal. The truth of the sriptures.
We don't preach ourselves. You on the other hand claim you have had visions from God.You search the scriptures to prove us three wrong, but that is good, at least you are going into the scriptures and you are all stirred up.
You three use tactic to pick on people.
You three ignore scriptures.
You three say that the ten commandments were buried with Christ and only apply to the Jews.
You three make up things that are not mentioned by any in the NT.
You add to the book of Revelations.
You deny water baptism, despite verses shown to you that it is a commandment to both the Jew and to the Gentile.
You call obedient people of God of the occult.
You three boast of unity and judge others as not being unified, but you are related to each other, are you not? We are each only voices on the net. Much different.
You three belittle people as if only you know everything, and ignore truth when it is presented to you in scripture.
You mock what people have been shown.
You judge what you do not know, as if you know.You blame all others of causing divisions, when it is you three who start that by insulting other believers!
The message that the Son himself declared to us is eternal life. I have written to you about those who are trying to deceive you. The anointing you received from God abides in you, and YOU DO NOT NEED ANYONE TO TEACH YOU. Instead, because GODS ANOINTING TEACHES YOU ABOUT EVERYTHING AND IS TRUE AND NOT A LIE, abide in him, as he taught you to do.
So, as you can see in the above verse, and others, such as the word of Jesus himself, we do not need Teachers!! Especially not ones who insult.
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