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Hi Ed J and All,
I am creating an individual thread that was out of topic on another.
My next post will be ONLY scripture for people to read on the subject that we are “all partakers of that ONE BREAD”.
What does that ONE BREAD that we partake of represent?
1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into ONE BODY, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.
1 Cor 16:17 For we being many are ONE BREAD, and ONE BODY: for we are all partakers of that ONE BREAD. …21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.
Mark 10:39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them,Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:
Ezekiel 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
1 John 3: 7-10 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest.
Matthew 3:5 And Jesus answering said unto him,Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Isaiah 45:11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives,
Hi Ed J,
What does that ONE BREAD that we partake of represent?
1 Cor 16:17 For we being many are ONE BREAD, and ONE BODY: for we are all partakers of that ONE BREAD.
Hi Jodi,
“The Spirit of Christ” (the bread from heaven) was born in Bethlehem (the house of bread). (see Micah 5:2)
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:
and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” (John 6:51)
We (as the church of Christ) partake of that bread becoming the body of Christ. (1 Cor 12:20)Hi Ed J,
Did you not read the passages above, or did they just go over your head?
We partake of the bread and BECOME THE BREAD! We drink of the cup that Jesus drinks of, we are baptized with the baptism that Jesus was baptized with.
We are JOINT heirs with Christ being heirs of God, all Sons being led by God’s Spirit, all children having the Spirit bear witness to our spirit that we are God’s children. We are to be made into the image of His Son that he might be a firstborn of many. There is ONE SPIRIT that we along with Jesus are baptized with, ONE SPIRIT that we with Jesus drink of. For “He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?”, WE ARE GLORIFIED TOGETHER with Christ (Jesus a Son of Man anointed of the ONE SPIRIT given without measure).
1 Cor 16:17 For we being many are ONE BREAD, and ONE BODY: for we are all partakers of that ONE BREAD. …21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.
Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them,Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration (new birth) when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; 30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
20:21 And he said unto her,What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. 22 But Jesus answered and said,Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. 23 And he saith unto them,Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
1 Corinthians 12:12-14 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into ONE BODY, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.
Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Hi Ed J,
Deut 8: 2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. 3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Matthew 4: 1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
To LIVE we must not eat bread, but rather the word of God.
The WORD of God which is Spirit and is Life is the Bread from heaven.
Ed J, you gave verses 49-51, I ask that you read that which comes BEFORE that and APPLY IT.
JOHN 6:
26 Jesus answered them and said,Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. 27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
To live we must eat the word of God where it dwells in our hearts. Do you believe the word of God was made true in Jesus when he was anointed and sent to preach just as God said to Isaiah? Do you believe that Jesus fulfilled God’s word, where he was wounded for our transgressions and then was raised up being given a portion among the mighty and was ordained as the man to judge the world and divide the spoil with the strong?
30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. 32 Then Jesus said unto them,Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Ed J, through Jesus Christ God gave us the WORD OF GOD, the true bread from heaven that we must eat in order to live.
Acts 3: 22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit, and they are life.
Hi Ed J,
YOU:
3 “And no man (Jesus) hath ascended up to heaven, but he (The Spirit of Christ)
that came down from heaven, even the Son of man (Jesus Christ) which is in heaven.” (John 3:13)
(Note: it says which is in Heaven, not will be, as you seem to want it to be saying; but currently is in Heaven)ME:
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he (a man) that came down (Katabaino/also cometh down) from heaven, the Son of man which is in heaven.
NO man BUT he, the Son of man, which is in heaven came down from heaven. No other man but the man Jesus came down from heaven.
There is NO Spirit of Christ that came down from heaven in the text, the text does not say that the Spirit of Christ came down from heaven and became a Son of Man. You are being delusional here wanting so bad to make a scripture fit.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Ed J, is PROPHECY heavenly things that are spoken?
Is verse 14 a PROPHECY?
Is the Son of Man ascending to heaven to sit at God’s right hand PROPHECY?
Is the Son of Man in heaven going to descend from heaven in our Father’s glory and such was a PROPHECY that Jesus gave?
Is the Son of Man descending from heaven to give eternal life to those who believe in him PROPHECY?
Hi Ed J,
REGARDLESS if you don’t believe that Jesus is speaking heavenly things giving us prophecy in John 3: 13, you need to consider the below passages as your doctrine still is in major error.
John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. …
…16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
Now Ed J, stop being BLIND,
WHO WAS SENT TO DO GOD’S WORK AND HOW WAS HE ABLE TO DO SO?
Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who WENT about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
JOHN 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Hello Ed and All,
Through Jesus Christ God gave us the WORD OF GOD, the TRUE BREAD from heaven that we must eat in order to live.
Luke 4: 4…”Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives.
This makes Jesus the Bread from heaven/the Word of God. He became God’s word of prophecy made true in him, thus he became the Bread made true, and he spoke to us the Bread that we must eat in order to have life.
1 Cor 16:17 For we being many are ONE BREAD, and ONE BODY: for we are all partakers of that ONE BREAD.
We ALL partake of and become ONE BREAD.
The BREAD that we must eat to live, the Word we must believe in to have life, is Jesus died to give us access to that which he likewise received.
The Bread/The Word was that we would be raised from the dead and be begotten of the Spirit and given eternal life.
Jesus was raised a firstborn partaking of this BREAD/ of this Word of God, becoming this BREAD/Word of God fulfilled.
Hi Ed J,
I am hoping that you will discuss the below verse, how it says that we are ONE BREAD.
1 Cor 16:17 For we being many are ONE BREAD, and ONE BODY: for we are all partakers of that ONE BREAD.
Jodi, I believe that the “one bread” reference speaks about there being only one body of Messiah.
I Cor 10:16-17 Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ? 17 Since there is one bread, we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one bread.
It is a reoccurring theme in Scripture that there is only one “people of God”. So the question that comes to mind is what identity does that people have?
Hi Dig4truth,
My understanding,
The body of the Messiah, the body of the anointed one, is the body that has been filled/begotten of the Spirit, to where then that Spirit then causes/leads you to walk in all of God’s ways. If you walk in all of God’s ways you are not worthy of death but of eternal life. If you are led by God’s Spirit in such away you are a Son of God.
When God promised before time began Eternal Life, such was a promise of being begotten of the ONE SPIRIT to be given upon us for eternity, for where the Spirit is there is righteousness and life. If you are righteous walking in all of God’s ways you are thus not deserving of death, only life.
Eternal life and the Spirit go hand in hand, you don’t have one without the other.
We are told that Jesus received the Spirit not by measure, that he was perfected through learning obedience, and that he could not be held to the penalty of death.
Jesus upon his resurrection from the dead is said to have received the promised Holy Spirit. Jesus upon his resurrection was said to have been begotten by God. Ezekiel tells us that we will be given a new heart of flesh and God will place His Spirit upon us causing us to walk in all of God’s ways. Jesus is to sit on the throne of his father David according to the flesh, where he is declared to be a Son of God according to the Spirit by His resurrection from the dead.
There is but ONE BODY that God had in mind for us from the beginning, the body of Christ, the body of a human being that has been anointed with the Spirit to which it causes you to walk in all of God’s ways.
I think that the term “body” in 1 Cor 10 is a collective body. This is backed up by the phrase, “we who are many are one body”.
The question that came to my mind was what is the identity of this “one body”? I’m sure you have hit on a very important aspect of this body, having the Holy Spirit within them. Also, walking in the ways of God are another integral aspect of being a member of the body. But is this singular Body of Messiah identified in the scriptures? Is their identity clearly spelled out and verified by multiple scriptural witnesses?
Hi Dig4truth,
Thank you for your post! I woke up this morning thinking similarly to what you said.
My understanding is that the body of Christ Jesus is a body that has the fullness of God’s Spirit and power, by such he on earth had taught God’s word, he gave prophecy, he healed, and he performed other signs and miracles.
After he had ascended to sit at God’s right hand, God needed the work that Christ Jesus did to continue on earth, so at Pentecost God’s Spirit came upon many where they were given measures of the Spirit. Some were made prophets, some teachers, some healers, some performed other signs and miracles. Together as many members each with their own gifts of the One Spirit, they were as the one body of Christ who had received all the gifts.
1 Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the fellowship of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the fellowship of the body of Christ? 17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
1 Corinthians 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: 25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are allprophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
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