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- December 5, 2014 at 12:45 pm#785791WakeupParticipant
We have come to a stage to label all interpretations of scripture, and prophesies that does not agree
with own believe, as false.
Because of the many false interpretations: own doctrine included.
We should not do this. We should know the difference, by comparing scriptures and prophesies.
If any interpretation is in harmony with scriptures it should be accepted as truth. Not false.
I mean in harmony with the scriptures; not with own doctrine.
Use the scriptures as foundation to judge any interpretation; don’t use own doctrine.
This is a big problem going on today.
If any interpretation can be proven false using scriptures; than it is false indeed. Period.
We should put aside own doctrine; and go back to use the scriptures to proof all things.Accept own doctrine as faulty, if can be proven wrong with scriptures.
Or we don’t love the truth, but own doctrine rather than the truth. God’s Word is truth.
Anything that is contra to God’s Word is false. Even own beloved doctrine.
If we can adopt this policy, than we are on the right track. We shall find the truth.
Hear anyone that teach different to accepted doctrine; compare and see if it is in harmony with scriptures.
Do not judge without any investigation done first. Scriptures don’t change; but doctrines do change.
The excuse given: We are learning as we go. Yeah for ever learning, never coming to the truth.
Use scriptures and prophesies as the foundation of truth. So we will not be blowing with the wind; but steady as a rock.Shalom.
wakeup.December 5, 2014 at 1:15 pm#785793NickHassanParticipantHi WU,
You would only say this if you believed you are infallible.
You certainly are not.
It is just that you close your ears when we advise you where you have failed.
December 5, 2014 at 3:00 pm#785798ProclaimerParticipantNick is right WU.
You preach and teach as if you are the standard for truth. You then make posts regarding other views as being inferior and even mock the rest of us with our so-called lack of prophetic understanding.
I said earlier that you suffer from the I am right and everyone else is wrong disease.
I personally have advocated that we should all be open minded on topics so that we can remain teachable.
e.g., I use to believe that the Trinity was true and that the EU was the beast to come. But I remained open minded and when new evidence came to light I was able to change my view. I am still able to change my view if new evidence comes to light that seems point to something else.
Of course, I remain steadfast in the gospel of Yeshua, salvation, the Kingdom of God.
December 5, 2014 at 4:08 pm#785825journey42ParticipantWakeup
I absolutely agree with you. They see you as a know it all. They despise what you are showing them.
For instance, we have known for 27 years that the false prophet is coming from “the north”.
We found in Daniel that God called “Rome” the king of the North back then.
We read that in the latter day of their kingdom they would rise again.
We know the King of the North is in the Europe area.
We have shown this to them, but they say, no our own interpretation.
We knew back then and were shown from God through the scriptures where the king of the north is coming from.
But they are all over the place, and judge not from the scriptures, but from current events. They are looking for signs in the world, and we are watching the North right now. Waiting for them to make their move.
We know their agenda. We know their every move. We know the committees they design such as the EU, or UN are run under them.
We know their tactics and how they hide in the shadows. We know their wealth and power, and have exposed their dark schemes.
We showed them here that these are the ones pushing for “A new world order” and that the Muslem countries are against this.
We have shown them how the West divides and conquers nations, then goes in as peace keepers, lending the nations money, and bringing them under the world debt that they control.
We have showed them so many things, and yet they still refuse, saying it is your own opinion.
You are on a rock Wakeup. They don’t like that you cannot be shaken. Why do we even bother with them?
Maybe it’s time to go and leave them to their endless debates and unfruitful conversations. They despise these treasures.
Let them blow in the wind. Let them keep mocking us. Let them be confounded. Let them protect the wicked, and put down a righteous man.
Our Lord comes soon and the land is desolate indeed.December 6, 2014 at 3:03 am#785999WakeupParticipantSeekingtruth.
I see your picture But very silent.
Are you learning in silence, and comparing scriptures?
Which is a very wise thing to do. Learning in silence absorbing all that is good.
May God’s blessings be upon you. And fill your belly with living waters.wakeup.
December 6, 2014 at 10:10 am#786001CamilliaParticipantAn evening of eschatology. The three major views throughout church history are Premillennialism (defended here by Jim Hamilton), Postmillennialism (defended here by Doug Wilson), and Amillennialism (defended here by Sam Storms). The discussion is moderated by John Piper.
December 6, 2014 at 10:40 am#786005kerwinParticipantTo whomever it may concern,
All interpretations should not labeled false is a true statement as at least one interpretation is correct. God is quite able to use one prophecy to foretell more than one event so it is possible that some prophecies have more than 1 correct interpretations.
In some cases we lack required information. For example the people of the time John wrote the book of Revelations of did not even know of the rise of Islam and so if a passage of Revelations spoke of that people they would not understand it did. Any interpretation they made would lack that knowledge.
I have seen where many who interpret that same book presume that they have all knowledge they need and yet according to the example gave before those Christians that came before did not. This has been happening down through the ages as more things are revealed as history advances. Few consider they may not have all the information as time advanced.
Why should we of this time consider we understand the book of Revelations better than John himself or one of those that read it of his time?
December 6, 2014 at 11:41 am#786168WakeupParticipantKerwin.
Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
This is the reason why the 144000 are alive today. They are of the last generation.
Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.[/color]
wakeup.
December 6, 2014 at 11:45 am#786191WakeupParticipantKerwin.
Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
This is the reason why the 144000 are alive today. They are of the last generation.
Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.wakeup.
December 6, 2014 at 1:12 pm#786222kerwinParticipantWakeup,
The 144000K may be those Jews that are or will become Christians that are alive today. I just do not see any evidence one way or another. This lack of evidence of a precise time has been in existence since the writing of Revelations though many have testified that it was there time. Those who may that claim and whose time is now past have been revealed to be presumptuous. Scripture state this about such people.
Deuteronomy 18:20Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
December 6, 2014 at 4:46 pm#786323princessParticipantThis is the reason why the 144000 are alive today. They are of the last generation.
Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.wake up, you need to wake up, the 144 are gone. The earth, the sea and the land are all hurting as I write this, anyone that cares for this earth knows that.
You have never heard a seal being broken, have you.
December 6, 2014 at 5:03 pm#786324princessParticipantThe one scripture that comes to mind on your comments Wake up is the one where kepha is shown the sheets and all the unclean animals and is told to eat, and kepha being who he was tested that dream time and again three to be exact because kepha knew that you didn’t eat those foods, mind you HE KNEW.
then along comes a tribe that was not to be taught the word and kepha KNEW then that was what the dream meant.You would teach that verse has everything to do with eating foods. Not standing fast in what you know to be true.
Don’t tell me you take the word of god and eat of it. you are spoon fed & raised by the hand of man.
and by the by wake up, using the phrase like birds of a feather, is not scriptural. if you are going to talk the talk walk the walk. there should be no reason for you to bring birds into this, birds are the messengers.
Curse not the king, no not even in your thought; and curse not the rich in your bedchamber: for a bird of the air shall carry the voice, and that which has wings shall tell the matter.
Ecclesiastes 10:20 (since you don’t know the word when you hear it)Plus I just adore birds…
December 6, 2014 at 5:18 pm#786326NickHassanParticipantHi WU,
You need not worry about having MORE KNOWLEDGE.
You have little.
December 6, 2014 at 8:04 pm#786334kerwinParticipantWakeup,
]John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
knowledge varnishes but righteousness endures.
December 6, 2014 at 8:30 pm#786337WakeupParticipantKerwin.
Are you going to blot that verse out of your life?
And change it to your own believe system?wakeup.
December 6, 2014 at 8:34 pm#786338WakeupParticipantPrincess.
You have seen nothing yet.
God himself is going to hurt the earth.
See the 7 trumpets and vials.wakeup.
December 6, 2014 at 8:56 pm#786339NickHassanParticipantHi J42,
I do not think anyone thinks WU is a know it all.
Rather he is deceived and yet enamoured with his false understandings.
December 6, 2014 at 8:58 pm#786340WakeupParticipantPrincess.
I understood that Peter is to teach all kinds of people that seek, and ask questions.
Nothing to be refused that God had sanctified.
Here is one in scripture that is similar to birds of a feather.
Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.wakeup.
December 6, 2014 at 9:15 pm#786341NickHassanParticipantHi WU,
Similar words.
Totally dissimilar in meaning
December 7, 2014 at 2:50 pm#786448kerwinParticipantWakeup,
Are you going to blot that verse out of your life?
And change it to your own believe system?knowledge vanishes is a q point made in 1 Corinthians 13:8 and I said those words because you appear to put knowledge before seeking righteousness.
The meat that endures unto eternal life is to be righteous as God is righteous.
Knowledge is the meat that perishes.
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