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Quote (Stu @ Sep. 29 2011,18:31) I put my trust in gravity. That is the higher power that produced everything, in the way I have explained. You have neither explained how my explanation is wrong, and you have not produced an alternative explanation. It is pretty clear that you have nothing useful to add, because I have already answered you to a great level of detail at least twice.
Science says put up or shut up. It is brutal like that. I did put up, and you didn't.
On the other hand, it looks like christianity says “Whining on endlessly with nothing to say? Whine on!”
Stuart
Oh so you do trust in the Gravity God after all.
Oh Gravity who art above all, hallowed by thy name.
Thy law be done on Earth as it is in the heavens.BTW, all laws have a law giver. Guess what God is? He is the great law giver.
He gave laws to man such as the Ten Commandments and before man, he spoke the physical laws into existence so that all creation obeys his word. How else did you think God could make everything, with hammer and nails and a bit of super glue?
No matter what obstacle you try to place before God, you cannot run away from him Stu. As the Psalmist wrote:
Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?God gave all the laws. The Law of Gravity is one of God's laws. Even the one who was the first to explain it (approximately three centuries ago), knew that gravity was one of God's laws by which he framed the heavens. His name was Sir Isaac Newton.
Three centuries later, Stu a follower of prophet Hawking appears on the scene and preaches that Gravity is God and has always been. And Gravity has no awareness nor intelligence because that would be too God-like. Gravity is the true God according to Stu, but no proof has been offered to date, just a statement of faith so far.
I think Newton not only blew all you Atheists away regarding intelligence, but he was also much wiser than you all put together.
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 04 2011,11:38) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 29 2011,18:31) I put my trust in gravity. That is the higher power that produced everything, in the way I have explained. You have neither explained how my explanation is wrong, and you have not produced an alternative explanation. It is pretty clear that you have nothing useful to add, because I have already answered you to a great level of detail at least twice.
Science says put up or shut up. It is brutal like that. I did put up, and you didn't.
On the other hand, it looks like christianity says “Whining on endlessly with nothing to say? Whine on!”
Stuart
Oh so you do trust in the Gravity God after all. Oh Gravity who art above all, hallowed by thy name.
Thy law be done on Earth as it is in the heavens.BTW, all laws have a law giver. Guess what God is? He is the great law giver.
He gave laws to man such as the Ten Commandments and before man, he spoke the physical laws into existence so that all creation obeys his word. How else did you think God could make everything, with hammer and nails and a bit of super glue?
No matter what obstacle you try to place before God, you cannot run away from him Stu. As the Psalmist wrote:
Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?God gave all the laws. The Law of Gravity is one of God's laws. Even the one who was the first to explain it (approximately three centuries ago), knew that gravity was one of God's laws by which he framed the heavens. His name was Sir Isaac Newton.
Three centuries later, Stu a follower of prophet Hawking appears on the scene and preaches that Gravity is God and has always been. And Gravity has no awareness nor intelligence because that would be too God-like. Gravity is the true God according to Stu, but no proof has been offered to date, just a statement of faith so far.
I think Newton not only blew all you Atheists away regarding intelligence, but he was also much wiser than you all put together.
Two logical fallacies, the usual false analogy (gravity as religion) and the appeal to authority (Newton was brilliant therefore we should believe in Imaginary Friends). Your glass is empty of anything, no explanation, no logic, no understanding of Einstein or Hawking or probably Newton.Just in case it is still a bit challenging for you t8, I don't keep any gods. You will note that I did not say gravity is a god. I did suggest that Einstein might have agreed that gravity could be a name for Spinoza's god, but that is not how I view the world.
So while it is well established that gravity is the principle creative and organising force for the entire universe, do tell us on what basis you would disagree. You could try evidence, or logic, or both, and perhaps link the former to the latter with logic. I realise that is asking you for three new things at once.
Stuart
Quote the usual false analogy (gravity as religion)
Stu you BELIEVE this. It is a belief and a belief that has a supporting system of beliefs such as Atheism is a belief system.
With any belief system, you take some things by blind faith and more often than not, adherents to blind faiths cannot admit that they are adherents of blind faith.Let's list some of the main pitfalls with your faith.
- lack of proof
- belief alone
- blind faith
- Atheist system
Yep, that is a religion mate. Albeit not a very good one IMO.
It is fair to say that religion is the collection of belief systems and world views. Even Wikipedia says as much. Yes religion is often associated with spirituality, and that is because most people's world view is based on that. It is the default. But a world view that has no spirituality and is based say on physicality alone is still a world view. A belief in no God is blind faith. i.e., taken to be truth, but with no actual proof. A sort of hope with no proof.
See that Stu, faith and hope. Although I would define it even closer as blind faith and false hope.
I should make it clear that I am not arguing for the non-existence of gravity, but the Gravity God theory. I shouldn't really have to spell this out, but will do it just in case people get the wrong idea.
So what is gravity?
Gravity is a law.
A law is what a sovereign commands.
A law is a rule or group of rules in a system.If people want to make a law to be God rather than the product of God, then it comes back to that silly argument of making something God, but it is not allowed to be intelligent, even though it spawns intelligence; it is not allowed to be alive, even though it spawned life; and it is not allowed to be creative, even though it made a universe.
And why? Because it would be too God-like. And that my friends is the belief behind the science of the Gravity God religion. Adherents to that religion will deny just as vehemently as Moonies would deny that they were sucked into false religion.
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 04 2011,19:34) Quote the usual false analogy (gravity as religion)
Stu you BELIEVE this.
Nope.Stuart
I received another email from you friend 'bozo', have to share, since you brought up politics in a very humorous way, I still find it amusing as I did this morning.
Re: Occupy Wall Street
Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.
Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.
Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Demand four: Free college education.
Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.
Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.
Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.
Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.
Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.
Any thoughts?
If this was instituted in the US then New Zealand would suffer economically. We essentially already have Demand Two, although private health insurers do operate here. The UK is similar, and their NHS is still the best health system in the world, I can tell you this from first-hand experience. NZ's isn't quite as good because we don't have the buying power or pharmacology industry they have. We used to have Demand Four.
The party observers one is intriguing. This is obviously about W stealing Florida. You would expect to see that demand somewhere like Afghanistan!
What do you think?
Stuart
I do somewhat agree with America being self efficient. Raising min wage to twenty, really cannot see how the concept will help. Everytime min wage is raised, then everything else goes with it.
The universal health care system seems to do well in other countries, I see no reason why we should not do the same. I think the FDA needs to approve more medications OTC. Private practices, such as plastic surgeons, sports medicine, abortions ect. should not be part of the plan, these services should be paid by the individual.
Free college sounds great especially in regards to my son, however, this thought process should be placed in elementary and secondary schools, where standards of learning need to be upgraded, and these schools should be year round and not only for nine months, only the teachers have advantages to this, they get the summer off paid by unemployment, the children lose due to the first nine weeks of learning in the new school year by reviewing what was taught the year before.
Five, six and seven, I fully support.
Eight sounds great, however you would have to reprogram minds for this, and that is a bit more tricky.
Nine is fine, however, then you have ones stating their jobs are being taken away, and the border patrol would most likely fight this, due to drug trafficking, contraband and the pharmaceutical companies would have a fit.
Ten, I do not see how that could be accomplished.
Forgiving debts, could be a catch twenty two.
Outlaw all collection agencies, all for it. This has caused more people greif then anything. What upsets me it is easy for a debt to go on your credit rating then it is to remove it. I have been through this process and it is one that is maddening. You can go so far and add telemarketes to the list.
I am not one for unions, however I have not taken on employment that would call for such.
One thing I found interesting that was not on the list is goverment assistance changes.
“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
— Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press“The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.”
— Albert Einstein, in a letter responding to philosopher Eric Gutkind, who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt; quoted from James Randerson, “Childish Superstition: Einstein's Letter Makes View of Religion Relatively Clear: Scientist's Reply to Sell for up to £8,000, and Stoke Debate over His Beliefs” The Guardian, (13 May 2008)Quote (Stu @ Oct. 06 2011,10:18) Quote (princess @ Oct. 05 2011,23:08) What was gravity before it was a law?
A political promise?Stuart
Ha Ha Ha Ha!!Excellent!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi David,
NO, but he doesn't come on as often.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Feb. 19 2012,15:38) I was gone a while. Has stu left the building?
Just appreciating your Einstein quotes above…Stuart
You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from religious indoctrination received in youth.
Albert.
Quote (david @ Feb. 19 2012,18:38) I was gone a while. Has stu left the building?
He might have been trying to figure out how to produce a whole number using only zero to start with.If that is not correct, then my next best guess is how infinity can become conscious.
If he did neither, then no point in conversing with him because he will have no answers or evidence for his beliefs.
T8 is absolutely correct.
Stu should just believe that everything is magic.
Then he would not have to fret himself with all that other book lernin' stuff.
Quite silly of him if you ask me.Tim
Thanks TimothyVI.
But I think that he already believes in a kind of magic.
A universe from nothing or something eternal that doesn't possess life which is the very thing it produced.
Everything from nothing or life from no life. Magic at its best.
Right up there with all the numbers from zero alone. Or awareness of numbers from numbers alone.
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