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Quote Maybe they will inspire belief in more worthy gods, like Bacchus Prince, just out of curiousity, you do know the relief that is used to represent Bacchus right? There are at least another 25hundred other gods/goddess you could chose from, perhaps one more of science would better suit you like Hermes or Imhotep. Or just for fun how about Babi, The Dominant Male Baboon God.
Quote (princess @ Sep. 25 2011,06:12) Prince No, not platitude, just selfish. There is a difference. Once you start on a conversation about religion, you mind holds this thought and does not break away from it.
Does this mean you do not have peace within yourself, and therefore brings no balance into your universe?
I do not see you one for chaos Prince, your OCD will deter this in a matter of seconds.[/quote]
A platitude “explained” in terms of platitudes!You could have a brilliant career in the so-called diplomatic service of the Holy See…
…if they were not misogynistic criminals.
Stuart[/quote]
PrinceThere you go again, waving your arms in the air as a defense mechanism, because someone agreed to a sentence that used peace and balance, you really have not caught on, perhaps that is the same reason why I could not be accepted into the Holy Realm of criminals, they have not caught on either.
All accounts, for you not to understand peace and balance, then please refrain from using the word spiritual.
Really, I have no idea what you mean by peace and balance. What are you talking about? What is balanced? What is peaceful? Specifically?Stuart
Quote (princess @ Sep. 25 2011,06:32) Quote Maybe they will inspire belief in more worthy gods, like Bacchus Prince, just out of curiousity, you do know the relief that is used to represent Bacchus right? There are at least another 25hundred other gods/goddess you could chose from, perhaps one more of science would better suit you like Hermes or Imhotep. Or just for fun how about Babi, The Dominant Male Baboon God.
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2011,14:01) Quote (princess @ Sep. 25 2011,06:12) Prince No, not platitude, just selfish. There is a difference. Once you start on a conversation about religion, you mind holds this thought and does not break away from it.
Does this mean you do not have peace within yourself, and therefore brings no balance into your universe?
I do not see you one for chaos Prince, your OCD will deter this in a matter of seconds.
A platitude “explained” in terms of platitudes!You could have a brilliant career in the so-called diplomatic service of the Holy See…
…if they were not misogynistic criminals.
Stuart[/quote]
PrinceThere you go again, waving your arms in the air as a defense mechanism, because someone agreed to a sentence that used peace and balance, you really have not caught on, perhaps that is the same reason why I could not be accepted into the Holy Realm of criminals, they have not caught on either.
All accounts, for you not to understand peace and balance, then please refrain from using the word spiritual.[/quote]
Really, I have no idea what you mean by peace and balance. What are you talking about? What is balanced? What is peaceful? Specifically?Stuart
You have no theory what peace and balance is to me, however you draw conclusion of platitude. How is that possbile?And if you are really really seriously interested in what it means then let me know. However, it will not be easy for you due to there is no physical attachment you can hold onto, it may be a little rough for you.
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2011,14:02) Quote (princess @ Sep. 25 2011,06:32) Quote Maybe they will inspire belief in more worthy gods, like Bacchus Prince, just out of curiousity, you do know the relief that is used to represent Bacchus right? There are at least another 25hundred other gods/goddess you could chose from, perhaps one more of science would better suit you like Hermes or Imhotep. Or just for fun how about Babi, The Dominant Male Baboon God.
PrinceBacchus reliefs are phallic symbols, Bacchus is closely related to Dionysus. So hence the god you represent is a …………., So the raised glass is somewhat symbolic, which in all honesty has had me chuckling most of the morning.
Love you dearly Prince. Cheers.
Quote (princess @ Sep. 26 2011,00:25) You have no theory what peace and balance is to me, however you draw conclusion of platitude. How is that possbile?
Platitude means exactly that.Stuart
Then it is the individual that decides what patitude is. Very well, at time ones needs to understand the rules to be able to play the game. All is fair in love and war.
Quote (princess @ Sep. 26 2011,21:30) Then it is the individual that decides what patitude is. Very well, at time ones needs to understand the rules to be able to play the game. All is fair in love and war.
The statement communicates no specific meaning, but was written to appear grand. It is a platitude, and I don't think it would be just me who would say so.Stuart
Prince,
Your being evasive, peace and balance in ones life is for the betterment of the mind. How can you consider this platitude, or not only do you have a touch of OCD, perhaps ADHD, then I can understand why peace and balance would be hard to attain. It is a well known fact that the first thing that one must do in dangerous situation is to calm down, would this not someway be intertwined with natural selection.
Quote (princess @ Sep. 26 2011,23:15) Prince, Your being evasive, peace and balance in ones life is for the betterment of the mind. How can you consider this platitude, or not only do you have a touch of OCD, perhaps ADHD, then I can understand why peace and balance would be hard to attain. It is a well known fact that the first thing that one must do in dangerous situation is to calm down, would this not someway be intertwined with natural selection.
Things were perfectly balanced for the troops in the trenches in France in 1915. They were not retreating and not advancing. Every time they fired across no man's land, a German fired back. Does that strike you as a balance that would be compatible with peace?I've never visited Saudi Arabia, and have little inclination to do so, but it appears to me that the cities of that state are peaceful, probably much more so than in other countries. According to the statistics the crime rate per capita in Saudi Arabia is about 10% that of the US. This relative peace is the result of extreme unbalance in the Saudi attitude to human rights.
On the other hand, when I have a light beer in one hand and a good book in the other I find that balance a peace-bringing one.
So, what you claim appears not to be a predictive theory of any kind. The two ideas of peace and balance are independent. Thus, since there is no theory of peace and balance that gives meaningful results, and the statement is meant to sound grand, it is a platitude.
Stuart
Quote On the other hand, when I have a light beer in one hand and a good book in the other I find that balance a peace-bringing one Prince, then call it platitude.
Quote Things were perfectly balanced for the troops in the trenches in France in 1915. They were not retreating and not advancing. Every time they fired across no man's land, a German fired back. Does that strike you as a balance that would be compatible with peace? I've never visited Saudi Arabia, and have little inclination to do so, but it appears to me that the cities of that state are peaceful, probably much more so than in other countries. According to the statistics the crime rate per capita in Saudi Arabia is about 10% that of the US. This relative peace is the result of extreme unbalance in the Saudi attitude to human rights.
I had fully intended to let this go, as I tell my son, who are you trying to convince more, you or me?
As for the war reference, how many of those soldiers had some form of ritual that they held onto to bring them some what of peace, perhaps it was prayer, a relic of some sort, a thought.
You consider anyone that believes in a god to be foolish, perhaps one of those soldiers fully believe that god had gotten them through the experience against all odds, perhaps one thought that his relic saved him. Perhaps you are one to be able to tell these men/woman/children that if they find peace within themselves with either a ritual or god, that they are just acting out of genetics or evolution and it really means nothing at all.
Who are we as humans to take away another's thought of how they attain peace in situations as such, and degrade it to platitude. That in itself is the greatest platitude there could be.
Quote (princess @ Sep. 27 2011,23:49) You consider anyone that believes in a god to be foolish,
That leaves him with everything coming from nothing, which is impossible because if that were the case, there would be nothing now.Or
Everything came from something, but the something had to have no awareness and no IQ. Even though it caused a universe so amazing that not even the combined intelligence of the human race could replicate it digitally.
So he is promoting a much greater foolishness than belief in God.
This sums it up, because Stu puts his trust in no higher power than man:
For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.No T8, it leaves us with today.
What I have begin to notice is that science and religion both hold each other in contempt. With each having their own rule book. Thoughts cannot be seen, however it does not mean they do not exists. However, both science and religion take them away, and replace them with what thoughts they think one should have, and when disagreement becomes apparent, then science or religion will both tell you either your a fool or an idiot.
I think therefore I am, should be replaced tell me what to think so I know what I am.
Not sure what you mean by your first sentence, but I see foolishness and blindness on both sides.
Religious people who insist that the universe is 6000 years old for example, when scripture makes no such claim, and some scientists who say that is no God, but cannot offer an alternative explanation. Even worse than that, they haven't even thought deep enough to realise that the remaining 2 options (after discounting God) are truly silly, yet they are the only options left.
But at least some have it in balance. Some of the greatest scientists who ever lived also had great faith and made great strides in understanding the universe. We also know that a wise person can understand something of the character of God by glancing at the glorious creation before them, while another man could be totally blind to that, even though he has great understanding of the mechanics that drive the universe.
There is a difference between intelligence and wisdom. It is good to have both, but certainly of the two, wisdom is much more important in the big picture.
Quote (princess @ Sep. 27 2011,23:49) Quote Things were perfectly balanced for the troops in the trenches in France in 1915. They were not retreating and not advancing. Every time they fired across no man's land, a German fired back. Does that strike you as a balance that would be compatible with peace? I've never visited Saudi Arabia, and have little inclination to do so, but it appears to me that the cities of that state are peaceful, probably much more so than in other countries. According to the statistics the crime rate per capita in Saudi Arabia is about 10% that of the US. This relative peace is the result of extreme unbalance in the Saudi attitude to human rights.
I had fully intended to let this go, as I tell my son, who are you trying to convince more, you or me?
As for the war reference, how many of those soldiers had some form of ritual that they held onto to bring them some what of peace, perhaps it was prayer, a relic of some sort, a thought.
You consider anyone that believes in a god to be foolish, perhaps one of those soldiers fully believe that god had gotten them through the experience against all odds, perhaps one thought that his relic saved him. Perhaps you are one to be able to tell these men/woman/children that if they find peace within themselves with either a ritual or god, that they are just acting out of genetics or evolution and it really means nothing at all.
Who are we as humans to take away another's thought of how they attain peace in situations as such, and degrade it to platitude. That in itself is the greatest platitude there could be.
There is some feeling of peace in heavy drinking too. Is that the best solution? Is mindless ritual a better one?Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 28 2011,07:40) Quote (princess @ Sep. 27 2011,23:49) You consider anyone that believes in a god to be foolish,
That leaves him with everything coming from nothing, which is impossible because if that were the case, there would be nothing now.Or
Everything came from something, but the something had to have no awareness and no IQ. Even though it caused a universe so amazing that not even the combined intelligence of the human race could replicate it digitally.
So he is promoting a much greater foolishness than belief in God.
This sums it up, because Stu puts his trust in no higher power than man:
For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.
I put my trust in gravity. That is the higher power that produced everything, in the way I have explained. You have neither explained how my explanation is wrong, and you have not produced an alternative explanation.It is pretty clear that you have nothing useful to add, because I have already answered you to a great level of detail at least twice.
Science says put up or shut up. It is brutal like that. I did put up, and you didn't.
On the other hand, it looks like christianity says “Whining on endlessly with nothing to say? Whine on!”
Stuart
Quote (princess @ Sep. 30 2011,00:52) Prince, Remember, the glass is half full.
t8 points to his empty glass and claim that all other glasses have less water than his.Stuart
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