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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2012,17:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 25 2012,16:24) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2012,16:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 24 2012,09:34)
Hi BD,Muslims FALSELY believe they are doing God's will
by killing Christians as well; do you deny this truth?B'shem
YHVH
Do Muslims kill Christians? Who am I killing? Stop being so general some people kill other people everyday Christians are killing Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq (Did you not understand that most of our troops consider themselves Christians? I bet you would say there not Christians because part of your belief is choosing who you believe qualifies as a Christian, you are a Hypocrite) So tell me do you think these Christians have killed less people then the Muslims you speak of if so you are wrong and what's worse American Christians dropping bombs have killed far more innocent people but guess what whoever is killing who could very well be God's will. God doesn't have to get your approval does He?
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“if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.” (Sura 2:191)
Seems like YOUR 'al-lah' want's you to do his dirty work; is this not right?Ezekiel 11:21 But as for them(like muslims) whose heart walketh after
the heart of their detestable ('book of fraud') things and their abominations,
I will recompense their [way of death] upon their own heads, saith [The LORD JEHOVAH]..
Exodus 32:27
And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.Is this in the Bible YES or NO
ED you need to refocus on God and get your mind off trying to attack others because you are not even considering what is in the Bible at this point.
Hi BD,
They turned away from YHVH, just like muslims;
so death is what is in store for them as well.
Do you really want to share in their sin?
That is the report for all muslims!Isaiah 28:18-19 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge
shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. From the time that it goeth
forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and
it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. The report is spelled out in Psalm 83:1-18!B'shem
YHVHHi BD,
“Without me they(muslims) shall bow down under the prisoners, and they shall fall under the slain.
For all this (YHVH)his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.” (Isaiah 10:4)Matt.13:15 For this (Arabic) people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and
their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears,
and should understand with their heart, and should be converted (to Christianity), and I should heal them.B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,19:23) Hi BD, They turned away from YHVH, just like muslims;
so death is what is in store for them as well.
Do you really want to share in their sin?
That is the report for all muslims!Isaiah 28:18-19 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge
shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. From the time that it goeth
forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and
it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. The report is spelled out in Psalm 83:1-18!B'shem
YHVH
Hi BD, all the names listed in these verses are ALL under muslim control.Psalms 83:1-18 Keep not thou silence, O [YHVH]: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O [YHVH].
2 For, lo, thine enemies (muslims) make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.
9 Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:
10 Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.
11 Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna: <– See next post!
12 [muslims have said], Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.
13 O my God(YHVH), make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.
14 As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;
15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.
16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O YHVH.
17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and PERISH:
18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
B'shem
YHVHHi BD,
Judges 8:21 21 Gideon arose, and slew Zebah and Zalmunna, and
took away the [moongod crescents] that were on their camels' necks.Ps.83:4,11 They (the muslims) have said, Come, and let us cut them off
from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
But YHVH says: Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes
as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:B'shem
YHVHI think that it is ironic that every negative thing that Ed finds concerning Allah and the koran is identical to what is said about Yhvh and the bible.
I have pointed them out, Bod has pointed them out but Ed does not see them.
Tim
Hi Tim,
Please do post them all one at a time in the atheist thread, and I will address them for you there.
There are worlds of differences, which I will explain to you as you bring up each point; OK?
Or, you can always start a new thread to keep the focus strictly on the bible; alright?Is your avatar the guy in 'the lord of the rings', the fellowship of the ring?
…because it sure does look like one of the main characters.B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,19:23) Hi BD, They turned away from YHVH, just like muslims;
so death is what is in store for them as well.
Do you really want to share in their sin?
That is the report for all muslims!Isaiah 28:18-19 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge
shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. From the time that it goeth
forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and
it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. The report is spelled out in Psalm 83:1-18!B'shem
YHVH
EDYou pointed out that God wanted someone else to do His “dirty work” Then you suddenly rationalize when I point out something similar in the Bible that doing God's “dirty work” is fine. Which is it?
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,20:41) Hi BD, Judges 8:21 21 Gideon arose, and slew Zebah and Zalmunna, and
took away the [moongod crescents] that were on their camels' necks.Ps.83:4,11 They (the muslims) have said, Come, and let us cut them off
from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
But YHVH says: Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes
as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:B'shem
YHVH
Why do you keep adding text to the meaning of the Bible?Are you claiming these as future prophesies?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 27 2012,03:24) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,20:41) Hi BD, Judges 8:21 21 Gideon arose, and slew Zebah and Zalmunna, and
took away the [moongod crescents] that were on their camels' necks.Ps.83:4,11 They (the muslims) have said, Come, and let us cut them off
from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
But YHVH says: Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes
as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:B'shem
YHVH
Why do you keep adding text to the meaning of the Bible?Are you claiming these as future prophesies?
Psalm 83:11 Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb:
yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:Gideon arose, and slew Zebah and Zalmunna
Hi BD,
Do you not watch the news?
B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2012,19:43) . allah the deceiver …allah is Satan
B'shem
YHVH
EDWhy do you keep posting videos of Walid Shoebat when I keep telling you he has no idea of what he is talking about and constantly misleads people purposely I have tried to debate him but he will not because he knows I know that he is a complete fraud and liar and your association with him only serves to make you look worse not better.
On July 13, 2011, CNN's “Anderson Cooper 360” reported an investigative piece into Walid Shoebat's claim to authority based on being a former terrorist. The report found that according to Israeli government officials, the bank that Walid Shoebat claimed to have attacked, and his own relatives, no record of his supposed terrorist history existed. A two-week prison term in an Israeli jail, another of Shoebat's claims was also unsubstantiated, with Israel having no record he was ever jailed. His cousin, interviewed in the report, stated that he had never known Shoebat to have ties to any movement, and that his claims of being a former terrorist were “for his own personal reasons”.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,03:41) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2012,18:53)
Hi BDGal 3:13-14 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:
for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might
come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
You're spinning your wheels, BD; drop the 'book of fraud', it has only turned you away from (YHVH) the true God!Jesus has taken away ‘the curse’ from Christians!
The verse doesn't say that he is accursed, it means that he took the curse away. (See Rev.22:3)
Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb
shall be in [the HolyCity]; and his servants shall serve him(YHVH): (see Isaiah 60:14)B'shem
YHVH
I am glad that you can't manage to say Jesus is cursed for hanging from a tree
because your heart won't let you say it because deep down you don't want Jesus on that Cross
any more than I did but don't worry ED because Jesus was/is not cursed because he was not killed or crucified
Hi BD,Proving ‘islam is FALSE’ …the Crucifixion account explained
islam rejects vicarious salvation,
but accepts it at the same time. …WHAT HYPOCRISY!
B'shem
YHVHQuote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,04:30) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2012,19:43) . allah the deceiver …allah is Satan
B'shem
YHVH
EDWhy do you keep posting videos of Walid Shoebat when I keep telling you he has no idea of what he is talking about and constantly misleads people purposely I have tried to debate him but he will not because he knows I know that he is a complete fraud and liar and your association with him only serves to make you look worse not better.
Hi BD,Why don't you go debate “Christian_Prince”,
he has an internet chat-room; he WILL debate YOU!B'shem
YHVHQuote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,04:30) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2012,19:43) . allah the deceiver …allah is Satan
B'shem
YHVH
EDWhy do you keep posting videos of Walid Shoebat when I keep telling you he has no idea of what he is talking about and constantly misleads people purposely I have tried to debate him but he will not because he knows I know that he is a complete fraud and liar and your association with him only serves to make you look worse not better.
On July 13, 2011, CNN's “Anderson Cooper 360” reported an investigative piece into Walid Shoebat's claim to authority based on being a former terrorist. The report found that according to Israeli government officials, the bank that Walid Shoebat claimed to have attacked, and his own relatives, no record of his supposed terrorist history existed. A two-week prison term in an Israeli jail, another of Shoebat's claims was also unsubstantiated, with Israel having no record he was ever jailed. His cousin, interviewed in the report, stated that he had never known Shoebat to have ties to any movement, and that his claims of being a former terrorist were “for his own personal reasons”.
Hi BD,Description of Ad Hominem
Translated from Latin to English, “Ad Hominem” means “against the man” or “against the person.”
An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected
on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim
or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character
of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character,
circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is
taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is
making (or presenting). This type of “argument” has the following form:Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not
(in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
Example of Ad HominemBill: “I believe that abortion is morally wrong.”
Dave: “Of course you would say that, you're a priest.”
Bill: “What about the arguments I gave to support my position?”
Dave: “Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong.
Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say.” (Link)Bshem
YHVHYou use that technique all the time and every one of Walid shoebat's videos are Ad hominems and filled with hate speech.
Everytime you post vidoes from a fraud and a liar it just blends in with other incredulous activities because you can't debate religion based on sound reason and scripture.You cannot even state your own beliefs without fear
Who is your One and Only Lord?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,05:34) You use that technique all the time and every one of Walid shoebat's videos are Ad hominems and filled with hate speech.
Everytime you post vidoes from a fraud and a liar it just blends in with other incredulous activities because you can't debate religion based on sound reason and scripture.You cannot even state your own beliefs without fear
Who is your One and Only Lord?
Hi BD,Is your memory that bad, or are you just trying to be deceptive like your false prophet?
You ask this same question in almost every thread you start; so here's my answer again…First: [יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā translates directly into English as YHVH. (AKJV Bible: JEHOVAH)
Secondly: [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă translates directly into English as Joshua. (AKJV Bible: Jesus)[אדני] Âdônây in Hebrew means: “Lord” or “Owner” and is akin to
[Κύριος] kü-rē-ŏs in Greek meaning “The Same”: “Lord” or “Owner”“YOU” CANNOT argue with this “Bible Truth”! (LORD: means Owner)
I will orchestrate my explanation around the term “Owner”.
The AKJV Bible uses: Lord for [יהשוע] & LORD for [יהוה].The Same issue: A Closer Examination
Technically Jesus is: “owner” but NOT “THE OWNER”!
Lord is more easily understood using the word “Owner”!Jehovah is: “The Owner”, and Jesus is: The Son of “The Owner”.
Jehovah CANNOT DIE, so Jehovah will ALWAYS remain “The Owner”!
A Son can 'only' become become fully “The Owner” if the Parent dies,
which in JEHOVAH's case cannot happen; because GOD CANNOT DIE!B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,09:37) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,05:34) You use that technique all the time and every one of Walid shoebat's videos are Ad hominems and filled with hate speech.
Everytime you post vidoes from a fraud and a liar it just blends in with other incredulous activities because you can't debate religion based on sound reason and scripture.You cannot even state your own beliefs without fear
Who is your One and Only Lord?
Hi BD,Is your memory that bad, or are you just trying to be deceptive like your false prophet?
You ask this same question in almost every thread you start; so here's my answer again…First: [יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā translates directly into English as YHVH. (AKJV Bible: JEHOVAH)
Secondly: [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă translates directly into English as Joshua. (AKJV Bible: Jesus)[אדני] Âdônây in Hebrew means: “Lord” or “Owner” and is akin to
[Κύριος] kü-rē-ŏs in Greek meaning “The Same”: “Lord” or “Owner”“YOU” CANNOT argue with this “Bible Truth”! (LORD: means Owner)
I will orchestrate my explanation around the term “Owner”.
The AKJV Bible uses: Lord for [יהשוע] & LORD for [יהוה].The Same issue: A Closer Examination
Technically Jesus is: “owner” but NOT “THE OWNER”!
Lord is more easily understood using the word “Owner”!Jehovah is: “The Owner”, and Jesus is: The Son of “The Owner”.
Jehovah CANNOT DIE, so Jehovah will ALWAYS remain “The Owner”!
A Son can 'only' become become fully “The Owner” if the Parent dies,
which in JEHOVAH's case cannot happen; because GOD CANNOT DIE!B'shem
YHVH
S who does Jesus teach you is lord?
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