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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2007,13:40) Hi 94,
Adam died that “day” as we will do. But that is not eternal judgement.
Hi Nick:If God so chooses to save Adam, that would be great, and I hope so, but I have given you my understanding.
God Bless
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2007,14:28) Hi 94,
Adam should not be harshly judged by his children.
Would you have done better?
Hi Nick:If I remember correctly you adhere to the doctrine of Original sin, which essentially blames Adam for your sin.
As I said, I did not judge Adam. The scripture indicates that he sinned, and God judged him.
I believe that I am accountable to God for my own life, and I thank him for forgiving me all of my sins.
God Bless
Hi 94,
Not so.
Adam committed idolatry and his children are separated from God.
But all are obedient to the god of this world, the kingdom of darkness, till they see the light.
If the first death is the only judgement we need to fear then, like Adam, we all are so judged and die.
But all rise to eternal judgement.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2007,14:48) Hi 94,
Not so.
Adam committed idolatry and his children are separated from God.
But all are obedient to the god of this world, the kingdom of darkness, till they see the light.
If the first death is the only judgement we need to fear then, like Adam, we all are so judged and die.
But all rise to eternal judgement.
Hi Nick:Adam had a personal relationship with God, and God gave him the commandment that he could eat from every tree in the garden except from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and he made him aware of the consequence of disobedience.
Unlike him although I had been brought up by Catholic parents and had been taught that there was a God, I did not have a personal relationship with God, and I did not have any direct commandments from him. Nevertheless, I had been taught by my parents what was right and what was wrong. Therefore, I was and am accountable to God for my sin.
Since I have been born again, I do have a personal relationship with him and I do have commandments from him, and in addition, I know that the serpent is in the garden, and so if I decide to sin wilfully after I have this knowledge this is what the scripture states:
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
10:28
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
10:29
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
10:30
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.You say:
If the first death is the only judgement we need to fear then, like Adam, we all are so judged and die.
I have already pasted the following scripture to show that judgment for mankind in the New Testament era is delayed until the last day as the following scripture shows:
Joh 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.And so, unlike Adam those who die in their sins have not been judged by God, but will be resurrected to be judged according to their works.
God Bless
Hi 94,
Judgement is about how all respond to the son of God.
Jn 3
31He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Jn 3
13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God……
So that is the facts-the way of Jesus.
However.
God wrote an escape clause, a gracious mercy option following the second resurrection, shown in Mt 25 that some will be found among the sheep BECAUSE OF THEIR WORKS towards the Sons of God.
Though harsh justice alone may demand they too endure the wrath of God our sovereign God shows that the merciful will find mercy, and that mercy triumphs over judgement, and those who give his brothers a cup of water because they belong to him will not lose their reward.It is better not to take the chance and to ensure that we enter into the rest of God, reborn of water and the Spirit, in Christ[heb4]where we do have an advocate if we sin, as we all still do.
I may be missing a point here, but I am wondering how relevent this question is to our personal, daily, walk.
For what it's worth….
I believe that there was a way made for Adam, just like all of us. However, our Father judges the heart and I really have no clue whether or not Adam is in the kingdom. I do not know why this is important, though. He's already dead and his fate is sealed. My responsibility is my own walk, and the lost souls that the Father wants me to reach.
Good question S,
But Rom 5 says this12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
My question.
Was the physical death of man the only judgement on Adam till the Law?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 17 2008,13:29) Hi 94,
Perhaps this thread is relevant.
Hi Nick:It is only in that we have already discussed all of this before.
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