'Abomination of Desolation' – setting the record straight on what it is

[kerwin]

To whomever it concerns;

Also from the same article.

As the Ebionites are first mentioned as such in the 2nd century, their earlier history and any relation to the first Jerusalem church remains obscure and a matter of contention. There is no evidence linking the origin of the later sect of the Ebionites with the First Jewish-Roman War of 66–70 CE, or that prior to that they formed part of the Jerusalem church led by Jesus’ brother James. Eusebius relates a tradition, probably based on Aristo of Pella, that the early Christians left Jerusalem just prior to the war and fled to Pella beyond the Jordan River, but does not connect this with Ebionites.[11][13] They were led by Simeon of Jerusalem (d. 107) and during the Second Jewish-Roman War of 115–117, they were persecuted by the Jewish followers of Bar Kochba for refusing to recognize his messianic claims.

[kerwin]

To all,

I find Justin’s account interesting because the divisions he attributes to these Jewish Christians are the same ones that existed in the church testified in the book of Acts.

Some of the foes claim they the Ebonies hold to James the Brother of Jesus but not Paul. This seems reasonable of the legalistic Jews Justin Martyr mentions but the ones that held Jews should be Jews and Gentiles should be Gentiles though they all be one in Christ had no disagreements with Paul as far as the what little doctrine Justin attributes to them.

Also from the Wikipedia article on Ebionites

Epiphanius relates that the Ebionites opposed the Apostle Paul, whom they saw as responsible that gentile Christians did not have to be circumcised, nor otherwise follow the Law of Moses, and named him an apostate

[kerwin]

Miia,

I posted about the Ebionites because I suspect they are Christians that were kicked out of Rome.

[Miia]

Ed, you are like the mockers in Noah’s day, saying “God will not destroy the earth!”, and “where is the promise of his coming”. “but they ignore this fact …. that the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.” “Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn!”

[Miia]

I posted about the Ebionites because I suspect they are Christians that were kicked out of Rome.

Thanks Kerwin interesting, I was also researching, (but I have a school assignment to complete, so this has to wait for now). Have a nice night.

[kerwin]

Miia,

I have to work on my school work as well.

[kerwin]

To whomever it may concern,

Here is interesting timing.

Wikipedia entry on “Roman Civil Wars”

Year of the Four Emperors (AD 69), between various Romans following the death of Nero (AD 68). After Nero’s suicide, the generals Galba, Otho, and Vitellius take the throne within months of each other. General Vespasian, who until that point was fighting the revolt in Judaea, is victorious. He founds the Flavian dynasty.

[Miia]

I have to work on my school work as well.

Oh, you have school work to do!

I shouldn’t post for a while until I finish mine or it will never get done.

Good information, thnx.

[kerwin]

Miia,

I am a student at UIS and the schoolwork only ends with the semester but I take breaks from it when I have the time.

[Ed J]

Ed, you are like the mockers in Noah’s day, saying “God will not destroy the earth!”, and “where is the promise of his coming”. “but they ignore this fact …. that the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.” “Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn

This thread is about identifying what the ‘abomination of desolation’ is.
And I have plainly shown it is ‘the islamic dome of the rock’ (set up in 688AD)

Hi Miia,

You are confusing ‘the carnal mind’ (which enmity against God) (Romans 8:7)
with God’s “Physical Creation” (which he hath established for ever) (Psalms 78:69)
It is the rudiments, the works of the carnal mind that’s going to burn with fervent heat. …[b](Link to Thread)[/b]

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God bless
Ed J

[Miia]

And I have plainly shown it is ‘the islamic dome of the rock’ (set up in 688AD)

No you have not, you have shown the complete opposite!

[Miia]

Miia,

I am a student at UIS and the schoolwork only ends with the semester but I take breaks from it when I have the time.

Good on you Kerwin!
I’m doing distance learning and also classroom. But have a break from classroom atm.

Bless you.

[Ed J]

And I have plainly shown it is ‘the islamic dome of the rock’ (set up in 688AD)

No you have not, you have shown the complete opposite!

Hi Miia,

You’re the one who has presented NO CASE.

You claim 70AD is when the ‘abomination of desolation’ was set up – BUT YOU DON’T SAY WHAT IS ???
Next you attempt to backtrack 1,290 days, and say the daily sacrifice was taken away in 66-67AD.
OK, using your method: tell us all what happened in 73-74AD? (1,335 ÷ 365) 3.6575342days later

“Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days” (Dan 12:12)

OK, the Israelite’s now made it to 73-74AD:

1) What was so blessed about this date, what happened on this date?
2) And where were the Israelite’s waiting for this date, in Jerusalem?

Miia please, when I ask you questions I expect you to answer them …(ref. to Luke 6:31 – as I do unto you!)

[Miia]

Ed,
This is my last post regarding this, because I have learned heaps through this discussion, but I now seek the company of like minded people so I can learn more from them (and there are other forums).

I do not know exactly what the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet was, all I could do is speculate based on historical evidence, because I was not there. But, the Early Christians knew exactly what it was because they fled to Pella (the mountains) in 66 AD. Three and a half years later Jerusalem was destroyed (70 AD). “Blessed is he who waits and comes to the end of the 1335 days” indeed, because the ones who fled when they saw the abomination standing where it aught not to be were spared. They did not turn back.

Teach what you want, but that’s all I have to say, thank you Ed.

[kerwin]

Ed,

In the 2nd century, the site was used for a temple to Jupiter Capitolinus. It was redeveloped following the Arab conquest.[6]

There was a temple of Jupiter previous to the temple built by heretics. That temple was actually dedicated to a triad.

Jupiter, Juno and Minerva were honored in temples known as Capitolia, which were built on hills and other prominent areas in many cities in Italy and the provinces, particularly during the Augustan and Julio-Claudian periods. Most had a triple cella. The earliest known example of a Capitolium outside of Italy was at Emporion in Spain.[8]

Although the word Capitolium (pl. Capitolia) could be used to refer to any temple dedicated to the Capitoline Triad, it referred especially to the temple on the Capitoline Hill in Rome known as aedes Iovis Optimi Maximi Capitolini (“the temple of the Best, Greatest, Capitoline Jupiter”).

From what Wikipedia states it appears it continued to exist there under the Roman Empire, even as Christianity was the state religion and the empire warred against their own citizens they considered heretics.

Jews are more tolerant of monotheists like Islamist than of pagans like the Romans. The temple of the Roman Triad is more of an abomination than the mosque, especially as the mosque.

[Ed J]

Hi Miia,

You’re the one who has presented NO CASE.

You claim 70AD is when the ‘abomination of desolation’ was set up – BUT YOU DON’T SAY WHAT IS ???
Next you attempt to backtrack 1,290 days, and say the daily sacrifice was taken away in 66-67AD.
OK, using your method: tell us all what happened in 73-74AD? (1,335 ÷ 365) 3.6575342days later

“Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days” (Dan 12:12)

OK, the Israelite’s now made it to 73-74AD:

1) What was so blessed about this date, what happened on this date?
2) And where were the Israelite’s waiting for this date, in Jerusalem?

Miia please, when I ask you questions I expect you to answer them …(ref. to Luke 6:31 – as I do unto you!)

[Ed J]

(Imported to the correct thread) …[b](Link)[/b]

Hi Ed:

If animal sacrifices ceased when you indicated, why would they be selling sheep and oxen in preparation for the passover?

Pay attention my good man,

There are two times in the book of Daniel animal sacrifices are said to have ceased.

1. One is in Daniel 12:11 where it says: “the daily sacrifice shall be taken away”
And as I said before, this refers to the Capture of Jerusalem in 603bc

2. And the other is in Daniel 9:27 and it says: “he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease”
And this one refers to Christ who did away with animal Sacrifice altogether

I hope you got it clear in your mind now 🙂

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Ed,

I do not go by that 1 day = 1 year teaching.

Hi Kerwin,

Thanks for your opinion, but I choose instead to go by what God’s word says.
“In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established” (2Cor.13:1)

1) Witness number 1 the Prophet Ezekiel (Ezekiel 4:6):
“I have appointed thee each day for a year”

2) Witness number 2 Moses (Numbers 14:34):
“After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year”

Of course you are free to believe that your thoughts get to overrule God’s Word.

[Ed J]

1. One is in Daniel 12:11 where it says: “the daily sacrifice shall be taken away”
And as I said before, this refers to the Capture of Jerusalem in 603bc

2. And the other is in Daniel 9:27 and it says: “he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease”
And this one refers to Christ who did away with animal Sacrifice altogether

Hi Everyone,

This should not be that difficult for you to get. I want you to see the connection and understand.

1. Islam says Christ’s death did not happen and was not necessary
‘abomination of desolation’ – ‘MAN TRIES to take away Christ’s sacrifice’

2. Animal sacrifices were to point us to Christ. “GOD TAKES away animal sacrifice”
“without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins” (Heb 9:22)

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God bless
Ed J

[kerwin]

Ed,

1) Witness number 1 the Prophet Ezekiel (Ezekiel 4:6):
“I have appointed thee each day for a year”

The witness does not apply to Daniel since Daniel and Ezekiel are different prophets.

The Jews were allowed to enter the Roman Jerusalem one day out of each year.

Stop misusing Scripture to support your own fears and hopes.

A statue of Zeus and the statue of the God-Emperor Hadrian were both built on the statue mount. Both are abominations. The desolation was already in effect before the heretics that call themselves Muslims appeared on the scene. It has been in effect for close to 2000 years. In all appearances the true church was within one hundred years of its founding.

Are you going to claim the Catholic Church, which oppressed others called Christians, was the true church?

Give of your hate and come to the truth.

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