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Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,10:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2013,11:55) I am not against the brothers and sisters,but against what they have been taught.
What they have been taught?I was not taught by any man regarding Revelations and the coming of Jesus.
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Causing them to believe in error.Error, according to you!
2Besee.This is your, or anybodies chance to proof that I am in error.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,10:27) Quote Your answer:
3.We have rest in Jesus.IF SO,THEN WHY ALL THE WARS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH,ALSO AMONGST CHRISTIANS? AND WHY ALL THE KILLINGS OF THE SAINTS IN THE PAST?
Jesus said 'My peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you.
Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.' John 14:27Regardless of what wars or persecutions we will have to suffer, our love for God makes it a joy.
Before we “knew God” our battles were worldly and empty and void and spirit-less.Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Winning souls for the Kingdom should be our goal, and our joy.
2Besee.Spears will be turned into pruning hooks and swords into plowshares.?
Jesus is not just speaking empty words.
Its has not happen and still not happening in these last 2000yrs is it? y/n.
We still use our great swords and great spears.wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,10:30) Wakeup, all of man, from Adam right through till now who do not know Jesus and have not had a true chance to, will be judged on what they did or did not do. This is Scriptural. God is fair.
2Besee.Why would the end time sains be judged by the books?
We are judged Through Christ, how much we follow the Lamb.
The luke warm christians will be rejected.Why is christ coming 3x ?
1.His birth.
2. at pantecost or some say 70ad.
3. and he is coming again soon.?how come?
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2013,07:43) 2bee Quote That is 12,000 from each tribe of Israel, except for Dan.
The tribe of Dan is missing.
Do you know why — or, do you know who they could be today?the tribe of Joseph as two tribes his son Manas'seh and Joseph
Dan ,as been eliminated I can't remember why but I check in to it ,
2beehere is what I could find on the tribe of Dan ;
Dan [EBD]
a judge. (1.) The fifth son of Jacob. His mother was Bilhah, Rachel's maid (Gen. 30:6, “God hath judged me”, Heb. dananni). The blessing pronounced on him by his father was, “Dan shall judge his people” (49:16), probably in allusion to the judgeship of Samson, who was of the tribe of Dan.
The tribe of Dan had their place in the march through the wilderness on the north side of the tabernacle (Num. 2:25, 31; 10:25). It was the last of the tribes to receive a portion in the Land of Promise. Its position and extent are described in Josh. 19:40-48.
The territory of Dan extended from the west of that of Ephraim and Benjamin to the sea. It was a small territory, but was very fertile. It included in it, among others, the cities of Lydda, Ekron, and Joppa, which formed its northern boundary. But this district was too limited. “Squeezed into the narrow strip between the mountains and the sea, its energies were great beyond its numbers.” Being pressed by the Amorites and the Philistines, whom they were unable to conquer, they longed for a wider space. They accordingly sent out five spies from two of their towns, who went north to the sources of the Jordan, and brought back a favourable report regarding that region. “Arise,” they said, “be not slothful to go, and to possess the land,” for it is “a place where there is no want of any thing that is in the earth” (Judg. 18:10). On receiving this report, 600 Danites girded on their weapons of war, and taking with them their wives and their children, marched to the foot of Hermon, and fought against Leshem, and took it from the Sidonians, and dwelt therein, and changed the name of the conquered town to Dan (Josh. 19:47). This new city of Dan became to them a new home, and was wont to be spoken of as the northern limit of Palestine, the length of which came to be denoted by the expression “from Dan to Beersheba”, i.e., about 144 miles.
“But like Lot under a similar temptation, they seem to have succumbed to the evil influences around them, and to have sunk down into a condition of semi-heathenism from which they never emerged. The mounds of ruins which mark the site of the city show that it covered a considerable extent of ground. But there remains no record of any noble deed wrought by the degenerate tribe. Their name disappears from the roll-book of the natural and the spiritual Israel.”, Manning's Those Holy Fields.
This old border city was originally called Laish. Its modern name is Tell el-Kady, “Hill of the Judge.” It stands about four miles below Caesarea Philippi, in the midst of a region of surpassing richness and beauty.
(2.) This name occurs in Ezek 27:19, Authorize Version; but the words there, “Dan also,” should be simply, as in the Revised Version, “Vedan,” an Arabian city, from which various kinds of merchandise were brought to Tyre. Some suppose it to have been the city of Aden in Arabia. (See MAHANEH-DAN »2375.)
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Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,12:35) T, it seems ot be saying that it is Israel 144,000, and then are the Gentiles. [4] And I heard the number of the sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand sealed, out of every tribe of the sons of Israel,
twelve thousand sealed out of the tribe of Judah,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Reuben,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Gad,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Asher,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Naph'tali,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Manas'seh,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Simeon,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Levi,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Is'sachar,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Zeb'ulun,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Joseph,
twelve thousand sealed out of the tribe of Benjamin.[9] After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
[10] and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb!”
That is 12,000 from each tribe of Israel, except for Dan.
The tribe of Dan is missing.
Do you know why — or, do you know who they could be today?
2Besee.Show me the 12 tribes of israel toay?
You could have israely blood in you.
HERE ARE THE SEALED. JOHN 6:27.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2013,17:31) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,10:27) Quote Your answer:
3.We have rest in Jesus.IF SO,THEN WHY ALL THE WARS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH,ALSO AMONGST CHRISTIANS? AND WHY ALL THE KILLINGS OF THE SAINTS IN THE PAST?
Jesus said 'My peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you.
Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.' John 14:27Regardless of what wars or persecutions we will have to suffer, our love for God makes it a joy.
Before we “knew God” our battles were worldly and empty and void and spirit-less.Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Winning souls for the Kingdom should be our goal, and our joy.
2Besee.Spears will be turned into pruning hooks and swords into plowshares.?
Jesus is not just speaking empty words.
Its has not happen and still not happening in these last 2000yrs is it? y/n.
We still use our great swords and great spears.wakeup.
Wakeup, true followers of God do not use weapons, do they.Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2013,17:24) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,10:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2013,11:55) I am not against the brothers and sisters,but against what they have been taught.
What they have been taught?I was not taught by any man regarding Revelations and the coming of Jesus.
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Causing them to believe in error.Error, according to you!
2Besee.This is your, or anybodies chance to proof that I am in error.
wakeup.
Thank-you Wakeup.
Just pressed for time,
I only have a couple of days to post – then i will be busy for a while.
And ATM, I am (trying to) watch LOTR for the first time, lol.Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,18:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2013,17:31) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,10:27) Quote Your answer:
3.We have rest in Jesus.IF SO,THEN WHY ALL THE WARS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH,ALSO AMONGST CHRISTIANS? AND WHY ALL THE KILLINGS OF THE SAINTS IN THE PAST?
Jesus said 'My peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you.
Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.' John 14:27Regardless of what wars or persecutions we will have to suffer, our love for God makes it a joy.
Before we “knew God” our battles were worldly and empty and void and spirit-less.Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Winning souls for the Kingdom should be our goal, and our joy.
2Besee.Spears will be turned into pruning hooks and swords into plowshares.?
Jesus is not just speaking empty words.
Its has not happen and still not happening in these last 2000yrs is it? y/n.
We still use our great swords and great spears.wakeup.
Wakeup, true followers of God do not use weapons, do they.
2Besee.No, the true followers dont use weapons.
But where are they?
They are scattered all over the globe,and they are the 144000 who followed the Lamb wheresoever he goeth.Is that The kingdom Christ is talking about? NO.
But his first fruits.The rest will have to go through the tribulation. Why?
If it is his people,in his kingdom?Christ will come with his robe sprinkled with blood,and with a sword out of his mouth; and he lets satan free. Why?
Only the beast and the false prophet will be cast in the fire.
You have not answered me this question.You are trying very hard to make your doctrine fit in.
But it will never work.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2013,17:44) Why would the end time sains be judged by the books?
Who said that? You misinterpret my words.Quote
Why is christ coming 3x ?Again, I NEVER SAID THAT – I said TWICE!
Quote 1.His birth.
2. at pantecost or some say 70ad.
3. and he is coming again soon.?'Come again', Wakeup, the Bible is talking about Jesus COMING AGAIN ,His second coming.
That is still to come.
Jesus is in Heaven next to the Father. the eternal Spirit is here now, the Spirit which was in him.
JESUS NEVER CAME AT PENTECOST, THE ETERNAL SPIRIT DID – The Holy Spirit.
NOW do you understand me?
Thank-you.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2013,17:48) 2Besee. Show me the 12 tribes of israel toay?
You could have israely blood in you.
HERE ARE THE SEALED. JOHN 6:27.
wakeup.
My family surnames are Hebrew.God is the God of all flesh though.
'The Day of the Lord' and the return of Jesus Christ are the same day.
On that day, the wicked will be ashes.
Jesus said that on that day, he will tell those on his right to come with him to the ETERNAL kingdom prepared from the foundation of the world.The Eternal Kingdom: Please read these carefully and look for the word eternal or everlasting:
Literal Translation.
2Pet 1:11:
“For so an entrance shall be ministered to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.Daniel 2:44:
“In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.Daniel 7:18
“But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever–yes, for ever and ever.'”Daniel 7:27
“Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.'”Isaiah 9:7
“Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.”Revelation 11:15
“The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever.”Matthew 25:31-34
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.”
Which kingdom was prepared from the foundation of the world? The Eternal Kingdom.
How do you base your understanding of a temporary millennium lasting a thousand years on a part of scripture which is symbolically written in most parts, without the keys, which only Jesus has?
The Kingdom starts off as a small mustard seed and grows, though it has to grow among the weeds, until the harvest (T, now I get you).
Matthew 13
[24] Another parable he put before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field;
[25] but while men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.
[26] So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also.
[27] And the servants of the householder came and said to him, `Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then has it weeds?'
[28] He said to them, `An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, `Then do you want us to go and gather them?'
[29] But he said, `No; lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them.
[30] Let both grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.'”
[31]Another parable he put before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed which a man took and sowed in his field;
[32] it is the smallest of all seeds, but when it has grown it is the greatest of shrubs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and make nests in its branches.”
[33]He told them another parable. “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven which a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.”
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,21:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2013,17:44) Why would the end time sains be judged by the books?
Who said that? You misinterpret my words.Quote
Why is christ coming 3x ?Again, I NEVER SAID THAT – I said TWICE!
Quote 1.His birth.
2. at pantecost or some say 70ad.
3. and he is coming again soon.?'Come again', Wakeup, the Bible is talking about Jesus COMING AGAIN ,His second coming.
That is still to come.
Jesus is in Heaven next to the Father. the eternal Spirit is here now, the Spirit which was in him.
JESUS NEVER CAME AT PENTECOST, THE ETERNAL SPIRIT DID – The Holy Spirit.
NOW do you understand me?
Thank-you.
2Besee.You did not say those words,but it does come out like that, because you say that the kingdom is here now for 2000yrs.You said that a 1000yrs just means a long time.
Do you remember?If you really believe that his kingdom is here now, and also that he is coming again.
That makes him coming three times.
Because he has to come in clouds to set up that kingdom,not hush,hush.Then he is coming again soon.?
His first coming(birth), was not to be a king, but you are saying that he is king.
But then you say; he is sitting next to his father?
You seem to mix up the coming of the Holy spirit and the coming of christ.
This topic is about the coming of Christ
Lets clear things up here:1.The first coming is his birth. agree? y/n
2. Pantecost was the holy spirit send to the apostles.agree? y/n
3. His kingdom is coming;not here yet. agree?y/n
4.His second coming is near future. agree? y/n
5. Therefore the first resurrection is near future. agree?y/n
6.Satan will not be killed at the first resurrection.agree?y/n
7.Only the beast and the false prophet will be cast in the fire. agree?y/n
8. After 1000yrs satan will be killed in the battle of gog and magog .agree?y/n
If your answer is no, please explain why.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,21:44) The Kingdom starts off as a small mustard seed and grows, though it has to grow among the weeds, until the harvest (T, now I get you). Matthew 13
[24] Another parable he put before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field;
[25] but while men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.
[26] So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also.
[27] And the servants of the householder came and said to him, `Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then has it weeds?'
[28] He said to them, `An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, `Then do you want us to go and gather them?'
[29] But he said, `No; lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them.
[30] Let both grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.'”
[31]Another parable he put before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed which a man took and sowed in his field;
[32] it is the smallest of all seeds, but when it has grown it is the greatest of shrubs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and make nests in its branches.”
[33]He told them another parable. “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven which a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.”
2Besee.Thank you for that,but the seed had to ripen, and then harvested,at the 2nd coming, and then; his kingdom set up for the reward.Jesus said; i will come with my reward.
And his saints will reign. Not now.(today is nothing but desolation).Christ kingdom is not here yet.
Thy kingdom COME;thy will be done on earth.
THIS PRAYER WAS IN THE DAYS OF JESUS.
And his second coming is the 1st resurrection, and to set up his kingdom.The 2nd resurrection is a 1000yrs later.There is no 2000yr kingdom now.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 05 2013,03:43) ….but you are saying that he is king. Revelations 1:4-5
Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne,
and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.
Here we have the Father God (who is and who was and who is to come) on the throne.
And seven spirits.
And Jesus Christ:
The faithful witness
The firstborn from the dead
The ruler of kings on earth.….same verse continued on….
To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.And made us a kingdom.
Continued on…
Verse 9: I John, your brother, who share with you in Jesus the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance
Share in the kingdom.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 05 2013,03:43) His first coming(birth), was not to be a king, but you are saying that he is king. But then you say; he is sitting next to his father?
His kingdom is in heaven, and Jesus is in heaven (with the resurrected Saints), but we are connected through the Holy Spirit to heaven.Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world.
He said that he goes to prepare a place (in heaven)The heavenly Jerusalem comes down from heaven to earth once the earth is cleansed, that is still to come.
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