A QUESTION

[Wakeup]

A QUESTION FOR THE AMILLENNIAL CHRISTIANS.

Since you believe that the 1000yr kingdom has been with us for 2000yrs now,this means that the coming resurrection would be the second resurrection.

1. When did the first resurrection occur;and who were resurrected?
2. Why were the apostles not resurrected?
3. Where is the 1000yr rest promised in heb.ch.3and4.?
4.Why is there a 3rd coming,when scriptures only mentions 2 comings?
5.What would happen to all the gentiles at the coming?
6.Will they all be cast in the fire?
7. where would you fit in Isaih 65:17—25.?
8.Why will satan be spared; cause only the false prophet and the beast will be cast in the fire? rev. 19:20.?
9.Why is the kingdom not ruled from Jerusalem?
10. why will we be judged by the books,and not by Christ?
11. What happened to grace?

Can you defend yourself, and answer these questions?

wakeup.

[2besee]

Those are quite a lot of questions that need a proper answer. I do not have the time right now. some time in the next few days…

[2besee]

Wakeup, I have gone over this already with you, and I do not like going back over things…. it has all been said in the prophecy section.
And I really am busy.

[2besee]

Just Google 'Amillenialism' – easy!!

[Wakeup]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,22:27)

Just Google 'Amillenialism' – easy!!

2Besee.

Are you copping out?
Are you like the rest of them?

wakeup.

[2besee]

Hi Wakeup,

I do not like repeating myself to the same people over and over again.
When I have the time though I will go through your questions, okay.

Just briefly without the details:

Wakeup asked:
1. When did the first resurrection occur;and who were resurrected?  

My reply briefly: Somewhere it says that many graves were opened and many 'came out' and many went to Heaven when they died too (The Saints)

Wakeup asks:
2. Why were the apostles not resurrected?

My reply – huh?

Wakeup asks: 3. Where is the 1000yr rest promised in heb.ch.3and4.?

My reply; We rest in Jesus.
A thousand years means thousands of years.

Wakeup asked:
4.Why is there a 3rd coming,when scriptures  only mentions 2 comings?

My reply: First resurrection: First fruits.
Second resurrection: All the dead are raised.
That is two isn't it?

Wakeup said:
5.What would happen to all the gentiles at the coming?

My reply: Jesus tells us this in Matthew 25 (I think it is)
They are separated. Some go to the eternal Kingdom prepared since the foundation of the world, and the rest go to the fire.

Wakeup said:
6.Will they all be cast in the fire?

My reply: Yes.

Wakeup asks:
7. where would you fit in Isaih 65:17—25.?

My reply: Don't have my Bible out right now.

Wakeup asks:
8.Why will satan be spared; cause only the false prophet and the beast will be cast in the fire? rev. 19:20.?

My reply: Have to get to that later.
As I have said to you, the Book of Revelations IS NOT WRITTEN IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER.

Wakeup said:
9.Why is the kingdom not ruled from Jerusalem?

My reply: The Heavenly Jerusalem comes down from HEAVEN to the Earth.

Wakeup:
10. why will we be judged by the books,and not by Christ?

My reply: I do not understand your question.

Wakeup said:
11. What happened to grace?

My reply: What do you mean?

[2besee]

Wakeup:
10. why will we be judged by the books,and not by Christ?

Jesus adds and removes names from the Books. Same thing.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2013,18:50)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,22:27) Just Google 'Amillenialism' – easy!! 2Besee. Are you copping out? Are you like the rest of them? wakeup.

wup

are you so lazy that you do not even want to push one button to find an answer ,

you are a big bully hein

[Wakeup]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,08:17)

Hi Wakeup, I do not like repeating myself to the same people over and over again. When I have the time though I will go through your questions, okay. Just briefly without the details: Wakeup asked: 1. When did the first resurrection occur;and who were resurrected?   My reply briefly: Somewhere it says that many graves were opened and many 'came out' and many went to Heaven when they died too (The Saints) Wakeup asks: 2. Why were the apostles not resurrected? My reply – huh? Wakeup asks: 3. Where is the 1000yr rest promised in heb.ch.3and4.? My reply; We rest in Jesus. A thousand years means thousands of years. Wakeup asked: 4.Why is there a 3rd coming,when scriptures  only mentions 2 comings? My reply: First resurrection: First fruits. Second resurrection: All the dead are raised. That is two isn't it? Wakeup said: 5.What would happen to all the gentiles at the coming? My reply: Jesus tells us this in Matthew 25 (I think it is) They are separated. Some go to the eternal Kingdom prepared since the foundation of the world, and the rest go to the fire. Wakeup said: 6.Will they all be cast in the fire? My reply: Yes. Wakeup asks: 7. where would you fit in Isaih 65:17—25.? My reply: Don't have my Bible out right now. Wakeup asks: 8.Why will satan be spared; cause only the false prophet and the beast will be cast in the fire? rev. 19:20.? My reply: Have to get to that later. As I have said to you, the Book of Revelations IS NOT WRITTEN IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER. Wakeup said: 9.Why is the kingdom not ruled from Jerusalem? My reply: The Heavenly Jerusalem comes down from HEAVEN to the Earth. Wakeup: 10. why will we be judged by the books,and not by Christ? My reply: I do not understand your question. Wakeup said: 11. What happened to grace? My reply: What do you mean?

Hi 2Besee.

Thank you for your respond;
I am not against the brothers and sisters,but against what they have been taught.
Causing them to believe in error.
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Your answers to the questions:

Your answer:
1. The graves were opened and they went to heaven:

BUT THE SCRIPTRE SAYS; THE GRAVES WERE OPENED AND MANY BODIES ROSE OUT OF THE GRAVES.
THEY ARE VISIBLE TO THE EYE.
AND ALSO SAYS THAT THEY WENT TO THE HOLY CITY JERUSALEM,NOT HEAVEN.

YOUR ANSWER:
2.Huh?

IF THAT WAS THE *FIRST* RESURRECTION; WHY ARE THE APOSTLES NOT RESURRECTED? THEY WERE STILL ON EARTH FOR ANOTHER 40/50 YRS.?

Your answer:
3.We have rest in Jesus.

IF SO,THEN WHY ALL THE WARS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH,ALSO AMONGST CHRISTIANS? AND WHY ALL THE KILLINGS OF THE SAINTS IN THE PAST?

Your answer:
4.First resurrection/first fruit/second resurrection;all the dead raised.

MY QUESTION WAS RE,THE COMING;NOT RESURRECTION.
FIRST COMING/HIS BIRTH:

Your answer:
5.The sheep and the goats will be seperated and all the goats cast in the fire. they will be judged by the books.

IF THE SAINTS WILL BE JUDGED BY THE BOOKS ,THEN WHERE DOES GRACE FIT IN?
THOSE POOR LITTLE GENTILE CHILDREN JUDGED BY THE BOOKS,THEN CAST IN THE FIRE?

Your answer:
6.yes,cast in the fire.

YOU ARE PICTURING GOD AS A CRUEL TYRANT.
THOSE GENTILES HAVE NEVER KNOWN JESUS.

Your answer:
7.Dont have my bible right now.

I WILL WAIT.

Your answer:
8.Have to get that later.

I WAIT.

Your answer:
9. The heavenly Jerusalem comes down from heaven to earth.

BUT IF THIS IS THE 1000YR REIGN; THEN WHERE IS HE RULING FROM NOW. AND WHERE IS HIS ROD OF IRON?
WHY IS HIS CAPITOL CITY COMING AFTER HIS KINGDOM?
BECAUSE GOD IS GOING TO TAKE OVER.

Your answer:
10.I dont understand your question:

WHY WOULD THE SAINTS BE JUDGED BY THE BOOKS,AND NOT BY THE GRACE OF JESUS?

Your answer:
11. What do you mean by grace?

WHY WOULD THE SAINTS JUDGED EQUALLY TO THE GOATS? BECAUSE WE ARE JUDGED THROUGH CHRIST,AND IN CHRIST THERE IS MERCY.
THE GENTILES DONT KNOW CHRIST.

wakeup.

[2besee]

WAKEUP,

Firstly:
The Saints are not judged.
Revelation 20:5-6

This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and they shall reign with him a thousand years.

The 'Thousand Years' is the thousands of years when Satan was limited in power and could not deceive the Nations anymore. He will soon, though, deceive them once more.

–The Gentiles are judged on what they did (or did not do) – Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 20:11-15 – the White Throne Judgment.

[2besee]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2013,11:55)

I am not against the brothers and sisters,but against what they have been taught.

What they have been taught?

I was not taught by any man regarding Revelations and the coming of Jesus.

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Causing them to believe in error.

Error, according to you!

[2besee]

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Your answer: 3.We have rest in Jesus. IF SO,THEN WHY ALL THE WARS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH,ALSO AMONGST CHRISTIANS? AND WHY ALL THE KILLINGS OF THE SAINTS IN THE PAST?

Jesus said 'My peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you.
Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.' John 14:27

Regardless of what wars or persecutions we will have to suffer, our love for God makes it a joy.
Before we “knew God” our battles were worldly and empty and void and spirit-less.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Winning souls for the Kingdom should be our goal, and our joy.

[2besee]

Wakeup, all of man, from Adam right through till now who do not know Jesus and have not had a true chance to, will be judged on what they did or did not do. This is Scriptural. God is fair.

[2besee]

The 144,000 resurrected are Jews BTW. All of the others are Gentiles, and they, it seems, are judged as Gentiles (according to what they have done).

[2besee]

Correction: Not Jews but Israelis.

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,05:32)

Correction: Not Jews but Israelis.

2bbe

no ,not all are Israel's some of them are gentiles

[2besee]

T, it seems ot be saying that it is Israel 144,000, and then are the Gentiles.

[4] And I heard the number of the sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand sealed, out of every tribe of the sons of Israel,

twelve thousand sealed out of the tribe of Judah,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Reuben,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Gad,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Asher,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Naph'tali,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Manas'seh,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Simeon,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Levi,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Is'sachar,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Zeb'ulun,
twelve thousand of the tribe of Joseph,
twelve thousand sealed out of the tribe of Benjamin.

[9] After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

[10] and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb!”

That is 12,000 from each tribe of Israel, except for Dan.
The tribe of Dan is missing.
Do you know why — or, do you know who they could be today?

[2besee]

144,000 from Israel PLUS (SEPARATE) ARE the GREAT MULTITUDE which no man could number.

144,000 of Israel
Plus Gentiles.

The number is sealed.

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 04 2013,07:35)

T, it seems ot be saying that it is Israel 144,000, and then are the Gentiles. [4] And I heard the number of the sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand sealed, out of every tribe of the sons of Israel, twelve thousand sealed out of the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand of the tribe of Reuben, twelve thousand of the tribe of Gad, twelve thousand of the tribe of Asher, twelve thousand of the tribe of Naph'tali, twelve thousand of the tribe of Manas'seh, twelve thousand of the tribe of Simeon, twelve thousand of the tribe of Levi, twelve thousand of the tribe of Is'sachar, twelve thousand of the tribe of Zeb'ulun, twelve thousand of the tribe of Joseph, twelve thousand sealed out of the tribe of Benjamin. [9] After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, [10] and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb!” That is 12,000 from each tribe of Israel, except for Dan. The tribe of Dan is missing. Do you know why — or, do you know who they could be today?

2bee

RO 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,
RO 11:19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”
RO 11:23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
RO 11:24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

understand that even Israel could not supply the first fruit so corrupted they were

[terraricca]

2bee

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That is 12,000 from each tribe of Israel, except for Dan. The tribe of Dan is missing. Do you know why — or, do you know who they could be today?

the tribe of Joseph as two tribes his son Manas'seh and Joseph

Dan ,as been eliminated I can't remember why but I check in to it ,

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