A PARADOX?

[Ed J]

Hi David,

Calling a spade a spade is NOT the issue here.
The problem is: calling someone wrong that isn't.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,17:05)

Hi David, Calling a spade a spade is NOT the issue here. The problem is: calling someone wrong that isn't. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Apparently, paradoxes are hard to understand.

I told you both views [trinity/non-trinity] are correct,
the part that is wrong, is calling
the other persons view wrong.

Are you not saying it is wrong to call the other persons view wrong?

Of course it is wrong to “call someone wrong that isn't.” But since everyone always believes they are right, the party that you are calling wrong, will always think you are wrong to call them wrong. 🙂

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,17:10)

Are you not saying it is wrong to call the other persons view wrong?

Hi David,

Without absolute certainty, this approach can turn around and bite you. (consider Matt.7:1)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Then you shouldn't do it, especially if you think it's wrong and also if you think it conflicts with Mat 7:1.

Does this mean you will not call other peoples views wrong?

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,17:40)

Then you shouldn't do it, especially if you think it's wrong

Hi David,

You are clearly reading into my words.
Perhaps YOU missed the post where I said
(in essence) calling a spade a spade is not wrong.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Proclaimer]

Is Jesus the God that he is the son of?
No. Rather, he is the son of God.

Is Jesus the eternally generated son of God?
No. He is the son of the eternal God.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,08:40)

Well, this house (this forum) is divided by countless beliefs.

David, this is not a house.

Just as a joint is not a body part but 2 parts, so it is with this forum. There are the sons of God and those who are not and there is the interaction between that.

In fact that is the definition of a forum.  A place where things are debated or questioned. It is not a man made organisation that people sign up for who have the same views. That is called a denomination and by reason of their structure, there is little questioning once you sign up, and so-called truth is dictated not by the Spirit, but by men at the top.

And yes there will be differences of opinion even among true believers. If you do not believe that, then read the gospels.

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2012,18:21)

Is Jesus the God that he is the son of? No. Rather, he is the son of God. Is Jesus the eternally generated son of God? No. He is the son of the eternal God.

HI T8,

Correct, but that's not what we are talking about here.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,00:05)

Hi David, Calling a spade a spade is NOT the issue here. The problem is: calling someone wrong that isn't. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

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The problem is: calling someone wrong that isn't.

should it not be ;calling someone wrong when isn't.????

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,19:36)

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2012,18:21) Is Jesus the God that he is the son of? No. Rather, he is the son of God. Is Jesus the eternally generated son of God? No. He is the son of the eternal God. HI T8, Correct, but that's not what we are talking about here. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

We ourselves dont judge: but let the scripture do the judging.
So we must proof all with scripture. Not with our own understanding. For we are discussing spiritual things here.
And we can only get that knowledge of the bilble.
Not of doctor,professor such and such.

JUST YOU;THE HOLY BIBLE;AND THE HOLY SPRIT: DONT LET AN OTHER COME IN BETWEEN.This is how true knowledge can be achieved.

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,17:45)

Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,17:40) Then you shouldn't do it, especially if you think it's wrong Hi David, You are clearly reading into my words. Perhaps YOU missed the post where I said (in essence) calling a spade a spade is not wrong. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

No, I didn't miss that Ed.

But did you miss me saying that everyone who calls “x” anything, thinks they are right. They always think they are right. Everyone does.

So, in everyone's MIND, they are always calling a spade a spade.

[david]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2012,18:37)

Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,08:40) Well, this house (this forum) is divided by countless beliefs. David, this is not a house. Just as a joint is not a body part but 2 parts, so it is with this forum. There are the sons of God and those who are not and there is the interaction between that. In fact that is the definition of a forum.  A place where things are debated or questioned. It is not a man made organisation that people sign up for who  have the same views. That is called a denomination and by reason of their structure, there is little questioning once you sign up, and so-called truth is dictated not by the Spirit, but by men at the top. And yes there will be differences of opinion even among true believers. If you do not believe that, then read the gospels.

I DID READ THEM T8.

Those differences were sorted out. Some of them were sorted out because there was a governing body that decided.

Here, no such authority exists. You, t8, cannot say: “This is the true belief,” because no one will believe you.

This forum will NEVER sort it out. The same topic can be raised and then raised 2 years later, 5 years later, 20 years later, countless times.

And as for the question of: “Is Jesus God” for example, this is no small matter.

T8, did you see my hot seat post to you from 4 months ago?

[david]

The trinitarian and non-trinitarian views are both correct.
It can be compared to the understanding of a Paradox.

HAS ANYONE IN THE UNIVERSE OTHER THAN ED EVER STATED THIS?

[david]

I told you both views [trinity/non-trinity] are correct,
the part that is wrong, is calling
the other persons view wrong.

DON'T ED'S WORDS ABOVE STATE THAT he thinks it's wrong to call the other persons view wrong?

[terraricca]

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,20:29)

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2012,18:37) Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,08:40) Well, this house (this forum) is divided by countless beliefs. David, this is not a house. Just as a joint is not a body part but 2 parts, so it is with this forum. There are the sons of God and those who are not and there is the interaction between that. In fact that is the definition of a forum.  A place where things are debated or questioned. It is not a man made organisation that people sign up for who  have the same views. That is called a denomination and by reason of their structure, there is little questioning once you sign up, and so-called truth is dictated not by the Spirit, but by men at the top. And yes there will be differences of opinion even among true believers. If you do not believe that, then read the gospels. I DID READ THEM T8. Those differences were sorted out.  Some of them were sorted out because there was a governing body that decided. Here, no such authority exists.  You, t8, cannot say: “This is the true belief,” because no one will believe you. This forum will NEVER sort it out.  The same topic can be raised and then raised 2 years later, 5 years later, 20 years later, countless times. And as for the question of: “Is Jesus God” for example, this is no small matter. T8, did you see my hot seat post to you from 4 months ago?

David

yes their was a group of apostles who if necessarily would join as an authority to deciding of the problem on hand ,but it was by no means THE ESTABLISHMENT of all the Christians,this was still the scriptures and the holy spirit and the teachings of Christ ,

all who were written down so that wen they would have been gone the written words would still be there to follow,

what is wrong wen we create organization ,is that that becomes a separation to all other but also it as to be now defended against all other and so becomes an entity on his own ,and so now dominates all except those in charge ,they will in turn fight between them self for the power to lead ,
a total men and devil world,

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,13:29)

The trinitarian and non-trinitarian views are both correct. It can be compared to the understanding of a Paradox. HAS ANYONE IN THE UNIVERSE OTHER THAN ED EVER STATED THIS?

Hi David,

Instead of trying to find out if anyone “currently” agrees with it,
why don't you instead investigate whether or not it's true?
I can help you in YOUR quest for “The Truth” of YHVH.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,13:30)

I told you both views [trinity/non-trinity] are correct, the part that is wrong, is calling the other persons view wrong. DON'T ED'S WORDS ABOVE STATE THAT he thinks it's wrong to call the other persons view wrong?

Hi David,

I have already explained this to you. Why
are you going about beating a dead issue?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,13:29)

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2012,18:37) Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,08:40) Well, this house (this forum) is divided by countless beliefs. David, this is not a house. Just as a joint is not a body part but 2 parts, so it is with this forum. There are the sons of God and those who are not and there is the interaction between that. In fact that is the definition of a forum.  A place where things are debated or questioned. It is not a man made organisation that people sign up for who  have the same views. That is called a denomination and by reason of their structure, there is little questioning once you sign up, and so-called truth is dictated not by the Spirit, but by men at the top. And yes there will be differences of opinion even among true believers. If you do not believe that, then read the gospels. I DID READ THEM T8. Those differences were sorted out.  Some of them were sorted out because there was a governing body that decided. Here, no such authority exists. You, t8, cannot say: “This is the true belief,” because no one will believe you. This forum will NEVER sort it out.  The same topic can be raised and then raised 2 years later, 5 years later, 20 years later, countless times. And as for the question of: “Is Jesus God” for example, this is no small matter. T8, did you see my hot seat post to you from 4 months ago?

Hi David,

Have not Trinitarians long ago decided
that their trinitarian view is true and correct.

Yet that is what we are here to discuss, is it not?
Nothing is resolved until it is resolved in one's own mind.
The watchtower society cannot decide, for you, what is truth!

YHVH is our authority here,  NOT MEN !

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,14:35)

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,13:29) The trinitarian and non-trinitarian views are both correct. It can be compared to the understanding of a Paradox. HAS ANYONE IN THE UNIVERSE OTHER THAN ED EVER STATED THIS? Hi David, Instead of trying to find out if anyone “currently” agrees with it, why don't you instead investigate whether or not it's true? I can help you in YOUR quest for “The Truth” of YHVH. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed

I've done that before. And there are hundreds of threads on that subject.

This subject is unique, so let's not try to cast it away so fast.

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,15:00)

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,13:29) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2012,18:37) Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,08:40) Well, this house (this forum) is divided by countless beliefs. David, this is not a house. Just as a joint is not a body part but 2 parts, so it is with this forum. There are the sons of God and those who are not and there is the interaction between that. In fact that is the definition of a forum.  A place where things are debated or questioned. It is not a man made organisation that people sign up for who  have the same views. That is called a denomination and by reason of their structure, there is little questioning once you sign up, and so-called truth is dictated not by the Spirit, but by men at the top. And yes there will be differences of opinion even among true believers. If you do not believe that, then read the gospels. I DID READ THEM T8. Those differences were sorted out.  Some of them were sorted out because there was a governing body that decided. Here, no such authority exists. You, t8, cannot say: “This is the true belief,” because no one will believe you. This forum will NEVER sort it out.  The same topic can be raised and then raised 2 years later, 5 years later, 20 years later, countless times. And as for the question of: “Is Jesus God” for example, this is no small matter. T8, did you see my hot seat post to you from 4 months ago? Hi David, Have not Trinitarians long ago decided that their trinitarian view is true and correct. Yet that is what we are here to discuss, is it not? Nothing is resolved until it is resolved in one's own mind. The watchtower society cannot decide, for you, what is truth! YHVH is our authority here,  NOT MEN ! Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

Ed, if YHWH is our authority on this forum, where has he gone? What authority is he using with regard to this divisive, never ending stream of contradiction?

Authority is nay authority if it is accepted. If YOU think that god has authoritatively made clear that you are right on a subject, how does he make this known to the person who is at odds with you?

I have been watching. There have only been a handful of people who have ever had reversals of thinking on this forum. But there have been tens of thousands of arguments unresolved.

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