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John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth
nothing:
***the words that *I* speak unto you, they are spirit,
and they are life***.
GOD SPEAKING THROUGH JESUS.wakeup.
Wakeup……….Good Post. Words (intelligent utterance) “ARE” Formed by Spirits, they have there “ORIGIN” from Spirits, God is a Spirit and therefore his Word, originates from Spirit. Spirit is what Life also is, because without spirit, there would be no life at all. Spirits gives us our cognate awareness and is what LIFE IS. God and “HIS” words are one and the same , just as our words and us are one and the same. In order for God words to abide “IN” us His Spirit must be Present also, so we can have the “MIND” of God “IN” us. Rom 8:27, for he that searches the heart know the “MIND” of the Spirit. because he makes intersessions for the saints according to the “WILL” of God.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 02 2014,12:13) …..it was the same thing with Jesus, God the FATHER was speaking “THROUGH” HIM, and that never made Him those Words himself, or a God of any kind either.
I've never thought that Jesus was any of the literal words God spoke, Gene.Do you realize that the King of Abyssinian had a spokesman called “The Word of the King”? YES or NO?
Do you realize that this human spokesman was not a literal word that the king spoke? YES or NO?
Do you realize that the king spoke LITERAL words THROUGH this man who had the title “The Word of the King”?
Can you think of any reason that God cannot also have a spokesman called “The Word of God” – without that spokesman actually BEING a literal word or words that God spoke? YES or NO?
Would the fact that this spokesman has the title “The Word of God” prohibit God from speaking LITERAL words THROUGH him? YES or NO?
Gene, I want you to understand these things, so we don't have to keep going through the same old tired stuff over and over.
Do you understand that I DON'T think Jesus was ever a LITERAL word that God spoke?
Do you understand that I DO believe God spoke through Jesus on occasion?
Do you understand that NEITHER of those things prohibit Jesus from being a living ENTITY who has as one of his many titles, “The Word of God”?
Remember that it is none other than JESUS who has that title in Revelation 19:13. So there is nothing in scripture prohibiting Jesus from being called by that same title, by the same author, in a couple of that author's other Biblical books. In fact, they call such a thing “scriptural support”.
If Jesus is clearly called “The Word” in one book, it lends credence to the claim that he is called by that same title elsewhere in scripture. Do you understand this?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 02 2014,09:35) Hi MB,
The Word was of God and was God.The Spirit is of God and is God.
I see your point, Nick. I see the similarities now. But will that point continue through with all the things said about “the Word”?In the beginning was the Spirit of God. And the Spirit was WITH God, and the Spirit was God.
Can we say God's Spirit was WITH Him? I don't know.
The Spirit of God BECAME flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son.
Can we say that about God's Spirit?
To those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.
Can we say that about the unnamed Spirit of God?
But here's the real clincher, Nick:
John 1
16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given.17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
It is the combination of verses 16 and 17 that tell us exactly who this “Word” was – in case verse 14 wasn't enough.
16: Grace came through the Word.
17: Grace came through Jesus Christ.
Anyway, I see the point you made. I overlooked that point yesterday, and made a couple of posts that were inaccurate. I'm back on board with you today – but still don't think the Holy Spirit is an accurate comparison – because many things said about “the Word of God” cannot also be said about “the Holy Spirit of God”.
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 02 2014,22:53) Hi Guys, “Then THE WORD of the LORD came to me, saying” (Jer 18:5)
Who came to the prophet Jeremiah?
The “Spirit of God” or “Jesus”?1. Spirit of God
2. Jesus
3. The literal words/commands/instructions of God.Remember that GOD spoke to the fathers and prophets of old in many various ways. Sometimes an angel brought the word (instructions, etc.) of God. Sometimes the word came in a vision. Many times, the prophets themselves were the ones speaking the word of God to the rest of the Israelites.
Eddy, don't confuse literal words from God with the spokesman who has the title “The Word of God”.
Hi MB,
The WORD and SPIRIT are not interchangeable words.John the Baptist and Elijah were blessed of the Spirit but received a unique portion.
So I think it is with the WORD
But Nick,
You and I agree that the Spirit is never a separate thing from God. That is not the case with the literal words of God, nor with Jesus, who is called “The Word of God”.
There are some similarities – but those only take you so far. In the end, it is clear that while the Holy Spirit remains endlessly connected to God Himself, the Word did not.
Can you see that difference?
Hi MB,
We cannot understand God full stop.
But we should not try to fit Him into rational human thought.God sent His Spirit into the prophets and they spoke for and pointed men to God.
So it was with the Great Prophet prophesied by Moses-Jesus.If God chose to separate to himself a servant aspect of His Spirit fully fitted with His abilities why should we argue?
But we still are only guessing from His revelationQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2014,18:14) If God chose to separate to himself a servant aspect of His Spirit fully fitted with His abilities why should we argue?
That “servant aspect” DIED, Nick. How can God's Holy Spirit die?Also, did you even read the other contradictions I posted from John 1?
God's Holy Spirit could not have BECOME flesh. God's Holy Spirit could not have suddenly become God's own Son, when it forever remains a part of God Himself.
There is only one name under heaven by which we can be saved…….. and that name is not “God's Holy Spirit”.
Nor can I think of an occasion where God's Spirit was said to be WITH Him……… since it is forever a part of Him.
What do you say to these contradictions?
Hi MB,
The Spirit of Christ did not die.
We cannot define how God must act according to logic.
The Spirit of Christ is of the Spirit of God and never apart from God's SpiritJohn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart,
***I will send *him* unto you***.John 16:14 **He shall glorify me**:
***for he shall receive of mine***,
and shall shew it unto you.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
Yes the Spirit of Christ is shared by him with the members of his Body.
Of course being of the Spirit of God all unity is createdJn 17.21f
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2014,14:09) Hi Wakeup,
Yes the Spirit of Christ is shared by him with the members of his Body.
Of course being of the Spirit of God all unity is createdJn 17.21f
Nickhassan.We read and study the scriptures;the HS will come and
we will praise Jesus,through the HS.
Jesus said;He will glorify me.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2014,16:03) Hi Wakeup,
Do you think just studying scripture saves us?
a new gospel?
Nickhassan.John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man *eat* of this bread, *he shall live for ever*: and the bread that I will give is *my flesh*, which I will give for the life of the world.
John 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, **Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood**, ye have no life in you.
John 6:54 **Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life**; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:55 **For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed**.
John 6:56 **He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him**.
John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
John 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Jesus is now spirit in heaven.
His flesh is the spirit in the words we take in from the scriptures.
Jesus also said: The Words that I speak to you the are spirit.
And they are life. It is the spirit that quickened.(resurrects).But some prefer to eat strange flesh.
No this is not a new gospel,this is the original gospel.
The copy cat gospel for so long has been accepted as the original;
and the original seen as fake.wakeup.
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Heb 12:24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
Heb 12:25 See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven?
Heb 12:26 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.”
Heb 12:27 The words “once more” indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb 12:28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe,
Heb 12:29 for our “God is a consuming fire.”Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2014,03:38) Hi Wakeup.
Seek ye FIRST the kingdom and everything else will be added unto you.
Nickhassan.Agree.
wakeup.
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