A false view of hebrews 11:3?

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,09:19)

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,03:07) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,07:55) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,02:42) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,06:03) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,00:07) Hi Pierre: This is what the scriptures state: Quote Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. Love in Christ, Marty marty you did not see what i wanted you to see in your own mind , you rather insult me ,than bend to God 's word , 1) Quote I ask God every morning in prayer that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will to correct me 2) Quote I am teaching what I believe to be the truth, and both you and I are accountable to God for what we teach. I said; Your last statement his killing you first good intention, read it , your ego is in your way ; but you do not have to believe me ,what do I know about anything ,of God you are the teacher not me ,I only preach truth ;and stand on scriptures 100% sure i do research much of it ,because truth ,that is not truth his a lie , What last statement?  You told me that I did not have the Holy Spirit, and I said that you were not the judge of that, and I stand by that statement. Maybe, you should read how you speak to me.   You say that I have insulted you?  I have just told you the truth. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Quote Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. this is not the answer to what I told you ,but it was the only thing you could think of to get back to me ,and that is to kind down look at me if not telling ,get lost , I have rewritten your comments and number them 1 ans 2 and showed you my answer ,what is that you can not see ? is your “I” so big ? No,t is not my ego, but yours that gets in the way and speak to me as a judge as if anything you say is the truth and there is no way that you may be wrong. I told you that I pray every morning to God asking Him correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His will or doing anything that is not His will, And you come back to me saying that all religions pray to some god.  And so, who is insulting who? I just gave you the scripture in James 1 that shows that if we lack wisdom, which sometimes I may lack, that we should ask Him to give us wisdom.  And so, this is the God that I ask, and not any other God.  I also know Him as my Father. And there is scripture that states that Jesus is the judge, and so, that being the case, that means that you are not. Love in Christ, Marty marty ok ,i am the blind ,I should have keep silence ,leave as it is ,this i agree iT's my error ,my ego also is so high  ,i can not see it any more , my neck is so hard as steel , i have no clue why i read the bible , i am a waist ,A IGNORANT, after you now tell me what i am become after 50 years of bible study ,you make me feel to go and change , my self , OR AT THE LEAST LET OTHERS PREACH WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE TO PREACH WRONG OR RIGHT ,CHRIST WILL JUDGE THEM ANYWAY ,IF SO WHY ARE YOU BEING ON THIS FORUM AND MEET ME IS NOT WHAT WE BOTH DO you tell me your views by listing your closter of scriptures and i show you the whole scriptures ,but it is to much to look into i guess here , to me marty ,the scriptures are indivisible either it is looked as a whole or you can not have the truth ,God's understanding is spread all through his words ,and all have to agree with each other ,because no one prophet of God can stand on his own ,he is part of God's plan to spread the his word, and make known to other ,no confusion at all ,only if you start to cut it up ,and use bits and pieces ;then the problems starts , but ,it yours ,you are in your self made web ,

Hi Pierre:

Well, I will keep praying to my God, and Father asking Him that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will, that He correct me. And if He corrects me, I will gladly accept my correction.

Otherwise, I will keep teaching wha
t I believe to be the truth of God's Word, and praying for you.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,05:31)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,09:19) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,03:07) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,07:55) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,02:42) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,06:03) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,00:07) Hi Pierre: This is what the scriptures state: Quote Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. Love in Christ, Marty marty you did not see what i wanted you to see in your own mind , you rather insult me ,than bend to God 's word , 1) Quote I ask God every morning in prayer that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will to correct me 2) Quote I am teaching what I believe to be the truth, and both you and I are accountable to God for what we teach. I said; Your last statement his killing you first good intention, read it , your ego is in your way ; but you do not have to believe me ,what do I know about anything ,of God you are the teacher not me ,I only preach truth ;and stand on scriptures 100% sure i do research much of it ,because truth ,that is not truth his a lie , What last statement?  You told me that I did not have the Holy Spirit, and I said that you were not the judge of that, and I stand by that statement. Maybe, you should read how you speak to me.   You say that I have insulted you?  I have just told you the truth. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Quote Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. this is not the answer to what I told you ,but it was the only thing you could think of to get back to me ,and that is to kind down look at me if not telling ,get lost , I have rewritten your comments and number them 1 ans 2 and showed you my answer ,what is that you can not see ? is your “I” so big ? No,t is not my ego, but yours that gets in the way and speak to me as a judge as if anything you say is the truth and there is no way that you may be wrong. I told you that I pray every morning to God asking Him correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His will or doing anything that is not His will, And you come back to me saying that all religions pray to some god.  And so, who is insulting who? I just gave you the scripture in James 1 that shows that if we lack wisdom, which sometimes I may lack, that we should ask Him to give us wisdom.  And so, this is the God that I ask, and not any other God.  I also know Him as my Father. And there is scripture that states that Jesus is the judge, and so, that being the case, that means that you are not. Love in Christ, Marty marty ok ,i am the blind ,I should have keep silence ,leave as it is ,this i agree iT's my error ,my ego also is so high  ,i can not see it any more , my neck is so hard as steel , i have no clue why i read the bible , i am a waist ,A IGNORANT, after you now tell me what i am become after 50 years of bible study ,you make me feel to go and change , my self , OR AT THE LEAST LET OTHERS PREACH WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE TO PREACH WRONG OR RIGHT ,CHRIST WILL JUDGE THEM ANYWAY ,IF SO WHY ARE YOU BEING ON THIS FORUM AND MEET ME IS NOT WHAT WE BOTH DO you tell me your views by listing your closter of scriptures and i show you the whole scriptures ,but it is to much to look into i guess here , to me marty ,the scriptures are indivisible either it is looked as a whole or you can not have the truth ,God's understanding is spread all through his words ,and all have to agree with each other ,because no one prophet of God can stand on his own ,he is part of God's plan to spread the his word, and make known to other ,no confusion at all ,only if you start to cut it up ,and use bits and pieces ;then the problems starts , but ,it yours ,you are in your self made web , Hi Pierre: Well, I will keep praying to my God, and Father asking Him that if I am teaching any thing that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will, that He correct me.  And if He corrects me, I will gladly accept my correction. Otherwise, I will keep teaching what I believe to be the truth of God's Word, and praying for you. Love in Christ, Marty

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and praying for you.

what for ?

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,11:16)

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,05:31) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,09:19) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,03:07) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,07:55) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,02:42) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,06:03) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,00:07) Hi Pierre: This is what the scriptures state: Quote Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. Love in Christ, Marty marty you did not see what i wanted you to see in your own mind , you rather insult me ,than bend to God 's word , 1) Quote I ask God every morning in prayer that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will to correct me 2) Quote I am teaching what I believe to be the truth, and both you and I are accountable to God for what we teach. I said; Your last statement his killing you first good intention, read it , your ego is in your way ; but you do not have to believe me ,what do I know about anything ,of God you are the teacher not me ,I only preach truth ;and stand on scriptures 100% sure i do research much of it ,because truth ,that is not truth his a lie , What last statement?  You told me that I did not have the Holy Spirit, and I said that you were not the judge of that, and I stand by that statement. Maybe, you should read how you speak to me.   You say that I have insulted you?  I have just told you the truth. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Quote Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. this is not the answer to what I told you ,but it was the only thing you could think of to get back to me ,and that is to kind down look at me if not telling ,get lost , I have rewritten your comments and number them 1 ans 2 and showed you my answer ,what is that you can not see ? is your “I” so big ? No,t is not my ego, but yours that gets in the way and speak to me as a judge as if anything you say is the truth and there is no way that you may be wrong. I told you that I pray every morning to God asking Him correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His will or doing anything that is not His will, And you come back to me saying that all religions pray to some god.  And so, who is insulting who? I just gave you the scripture in James 1 that shows that if we lack wisdom, which sometimes I may lack, that we should ask Him to give us wisdom.  And so, this is the God that I ask, and not any other God.  I also know Him as my Father. And there is scripture that states that Jesus is the judge, and so, that being the case, that means that you are not. Love in Christ, Marty marty ok ,i am the blind ,I should have keep silence ,leave as it is ,this i agree iT's my error ,my ego also is so high  ,i can not see it any more , my neck is so hard as steel , i have no clue why i read the bible , i am a waist ,A IGNORANT, after you now tell me what i am become after 50 years of bible study ,you make me feel to go and change , my self , OR AT THE LEAST LET OTHERS PREACH WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE TO PREACH WRONG OR RIGHT ,CHRIST WILL JUDGE THEM ANYWAY ,IF SO WHY ARE YOU BEING ON THIS FORUM AND MEET ME IS NOT WHAT WE BOTH DO you tell me your views by listing your closter of scriptures and i show you the whole scriptures ,but it is to much to look into i guess here , to me marty ,the scriptures are indivisible either it is looked as a whole or you can not have the truth ,God's understanding is spread all through his words ,and all have to agree with each other ,because no one prophet of God can stand on his own ,he is part of God's plan to spread the his word, and make known to other ,no confusion at all ,only if you start to cut it up ,and use bits and pieces ;then the prob lems starts , but ,it yours ,you are in your self made web , Hi Pierre: Well, I will keep praying to my God, and Father asking Him that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will, that He correct me.  And if He corrects me, I will gladly accept my correction. Otherwise, I will keep teaching what I believe to be the truth of God's Word, and praying for you. Love in Christ, Marty MARTY Quote and praying for you. what for ?

For because, I believe that you need it.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,07:55)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,11:16) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,05:31) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,09:19) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,03:07) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,07:55) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,02:42) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,06:03) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,00:07) Hi Pierre: This is what the scriptures state: Quote Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. Love in Christ, Marty marty you did not see what i wanted you to see in your own mind , you rather insult me ,than bend to God 's word , 1) Quote I ask God every morning in prayer that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will to correct me 2) Quote I am teaching what I believe to be the truth, and both you and I are accountable to God for what we teach. I said; Your last statement his killing you first good intention, read it , your ego is in your way ; but you do not have to believe me ,what do I know about anything ,of God you are the teacher not me ,I only preach truth ;and stand on scriptures 100% sure i do research much of it ,because truth ,that is not truth his a lie , What last statement?  You told me that I did not have the Holy Spirit, and I said that you were not the judge of that, and I stand by that statement. Maybe, you should read how you speak to me.   You say that I have insulted you?  I have just told you the truth. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Quote Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. this is not the answer to what I told you ,but it was the only thing you could think of to get back to me ,and that is to kind down look at me if not telling ,get lost , I have rewritten your comments and number them 1 ans 2 and showed you my answer ,what is that you can not see ? is your “I” so big ? No,t is not my ego, but yours that gets in the way and speak to me as a judge as if anything you say is the truth and there is no way that you may be wrong. I told you that I pray every morning to God asking Him correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His will or doing anything that is not His will, And you come back to me saying that all religions pray to some god.  And so, who is insulting who? I just gave you the scripture in James 1 that shows that if we lack wisdom, which sometimes I may lack, that we should ask Him to give us wisdom.  And so, this is the God that I ask, and not any other God.  I also know Him as my Father. And there is scripture that states that Jesus is the judge, and so, that being the case, that means that you are not. Love in Christ, Marty marty ok ,i am the blind ,I should have keep silence ,leave as it is ,this i agree iT's my error ,my ego also is so high  ,i can not see it any more , my neck is so hard as steel , i have no clue why i read the bible , i am a waist ,A IGNORANT, after you now tell me what i am become after 50 years of bible study ,you make me feel to go and change , my self , OR AT THE LEAST LET OTHERS PREACH WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE TO PREACH WRONG OR RIGHT ,CHRIST WILL JUDGE THEM ANYWAY ,IF SO WHY ARE YOU BEING ON THIS FORUM AND MEET ME IS NOT WHAT WE BOTH DO you tell me your views by listing your closter of scriptures and i show you the whole scriptures ,but it is to much to look into i guess here , to me marty ,the scriptures are indivisible either it is looked as a whole or you can not have the truth ,God's understanding is spread all through his words ,and all have to agree with each other ,because no one prophet of God can stand on his own ,he is part of God's plan to spread the his word, and make known to other ,no confusion at all ,only if you start to cut it up ,and use bits and pieces ;then the problems starts , but ,it yours ,you are in your self made web , Hi Pierre: Well, I will keep praying to my God, and Father asking Him that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will, that He correct me.  And if He corrects me, I will gladly accept my correction. Otherwise, I will keep teaching what I believe to be the truth of God's Word, and praying for you. Love in Christ, Marty MARTY Quote and praying for you. what for ? For because, I believe that you need it. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

it seems you do things ,that you do not know why

are their any scriptures to pray for no reasons at all but our own opinions

I do not know any except in pagan practices ,

but i could have mist it so show it to me so i may learn .

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,14:16)

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,07:55) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,11:16) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,05:31) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,09:19) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,03:07) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,07:55) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,02:42) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,06:03) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,00:07) Hi Pierre: This is what the scriptures state: Quote Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. Love in Christ, Marty marty you did not see what i wanted you to see in your own mind , you rather insult me ,than bend to God 's word , 1) Quote I ask God every morning in prayer that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will to correct me 2) Quote I am teaching what I believe to be the truth, and both you and I are accountable to God for what we teach. I said; Your last statement his killing you first good intention, read it , your ego is in your way ; but you do not have to believe me ,what do I know about anything ,of God you are the teacher not me ,I only preach truth ;and stand on scriptures 100% sure i do research much of it ,because truth ,that is not truth his a lie , What last statement?  You told me that I did not have the Holy Spirit, and I said that you were not the judge of that, and I stand by that statement. Maybe, you should read how you speak to me.   You say that I have insulted you?  I have just told you the truth. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Quote Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. this is not the answer to what I told you ,but it was the only thing you could think of to get back to me ,and that is to kind down look at me if not telling ,get lost , I have rewritten your comments and number them 1 ans 2 and showed you my answer ,what is that you can not see ? is your “I” so big ? No,t is not my ego, but yours that gets in the way and speak to me as a judge as if anything you say is the truth and there is no way that you may be wrong. I told you that I pray every morning to God asking Him correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His will or doing anything that is not His will, And you come back to me saying that all religions pray to some god.  And so, who is insulting who? I just gave you the scripture in James 1 that shows that if we lack wisdom, which sometimes I may lack, that we should ask Him to give us wisdom.  And so, this is the God that I ask, and not any other God.  I also know Him as my Father. And there is scripture that states that Jesus is the judge, and so, that being the case, that means that you are not. Love in Christ, Marty marty ok ,i am the blind ,I should have keep silence ,leave as it is ,this i agree iT's my error ,my ego also is so high  ,i can not see it any more , my neck is so hard as steel , i have no clue why i read the bible , i am a waist ,A IGNORANT, after you now tell me what i am become after 50 years of bible study ,you make me feel to go and change , my self , OR AT THE LEAST LET OTHERS PREACH WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE TO PREACH WRONG OR RIGHT ,CHRIST WILL JUDGE THEM ANYWAY ,IF SO WHY ARE YOU BEING ON THIS FORUM AND MEET ME IS NOT WHAT WE BOTH DO you tell me your views by listing your closter of scriptures and i show you the whole scriptures ,but it is to much to look into i guess here , to me marty ,the scriptures are indivisible either it is looked as a whole or you can not have the truth ,God's understanding is spread all through his words ,and all have to agree with each other ,because no one prophet of God can stand on his own ,he is part of God's plan to spread the his word, and make known to other ,no confusion at all ,only if you start to cut it up ,and use bits and pieces ;then the problems starts , but ,it yours ,you are in your self made web , Hi Pierre: Well, I will keep praying to my God, and Father asking Him that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will, that He correct me.  And if He corrects me, I will gladly accept my correction. Otherwise, I will keep teaching what I believe to be the truth of God's Word, and praying for you. Love in Christ, Marty MARTY Quote and praying for you. what for ? For because, I believe that you need it. Love in Christ, Marty Marty it seems you do things ,that you do not know why are their any scriptures to pray for no reasons at all but our own opinions I do not know any except in  pagan practices , but i could have mist it so show it to me so i may learn .

Hi Pierre:

I told you that I was going to pray for you because you need it. Are you telling me that you don't need prayer?

I Love You and desire God's very best for you and your family, but God's instructions are also for my enemies.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 03 2013,04:54)

Is it truth or tradition? It is written: Hebrews 11:3 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Some believe Hebrews 11:3 An interpreted Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the preexistent Christ, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Is what they believe truth or tradition? Why?

Kerwin.

akjv.
Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

wakeup.

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Hi Pierre: I told you that I was going to pray for you because you need it. Are you telling me that you don't need prayer? I Love You and desire God's very best for you and your family, but God's instructions are also for my enemies. Love in Christ, Marty

show me that ANYONE NEED PRAYERS ? IN SCRIPTURES THAT IS ;

I know WE are recommended to always pray to God “FOR HELP 'GUIDANCE ” PROTECTION “BUT IT IS FOR OURSELVES “

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2013,23:43)

Marty Quote Hi Pierre: I told you that I was going to pray for you because you need it.  Are you telling me that you don't need prayer? I Love You and desire God's very best for you and your family, but God's instructions are also for my enemies. Love in Christ, Marty show me that ANYONE NEED PRAYERS ? IN SCRIPTURES THAT IS ; I know WE are recommended to always pray to God “FOR HELP 'GUIDANCE ” PROTECTION “BUT IT IS FOR OURSELVES “

T,

If you see a brother sin then pray for him. Look it up though. I think James is the one that wrote it. If you cannot find it then I will look as I only paraphrased it from memory.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 07 2013,22:41)

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 03 2013,04:54) Is it truth or tradition? It is written: Hebrews 11:3 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Some believe Hebrews 11:3 An interpreted Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the preexistent Christ, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Is what they believe truth or tradition? Why? Kerwin. akjv. Hebrews 11:3   Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. wakeup.

Wakeup,

I am not sure where you are going here as you did not answer the questions I included.

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Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 08 2013,09:16)

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 07 2013,22:41) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 03 2013,04:54) Is it truth or tradition? It is written: Hebrews 11:3 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Some believe Hebrews 11:3 An interpreted Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the preexistent Christ, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Is what they believe truth or tradition? Why? Kerwin. akjv. Hebrews 11:3   Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. wakeup. Wakeup, I am not sure where you are going here as you did not answer the questions I included.

Kerwin

akjv.(yours).
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the preexistent Christ, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

akjv.(mine).
Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Why are they differently phrased?

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 08 2013,04:39)

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 08 2013,09:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 07 2013,22:41) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 03 2013,04:54) Is it truth or tradition? It is written: Hebrews 11:3 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Some believe Hebrews 11:3 An interpreted Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the preexistent Christ, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Is what they believe truth or tradition? Why? Kerwin. akjv. Hebrews 11:3   Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. wakeup. Wakeup, I am not sure where you are going here as you did not answer the questions I included. Kerwin akjv.(yours). 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the preexistent Christ, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. akjv.(mine). Hebrews 11:3   Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Why are they differently phrased? wakeup.

Wakeup,

It is a hypothetical interpretation of the AKJV and not the actual AKJV. It is not mine but rather one I hypothesize certain people might make based on their teachings. It is a method of argument to point out absurdities in an opposing argument. I chose this passage because of its similarity to John 1:3. I thought all of this was clear from my original post. Sorry that I confused you and I hope this clarifies the matter.

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Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 08 2013,09:54)

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 08 2013,04:39) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 08 2013,09:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 07 2013,22:41) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 03 2013,04:54) Is it truth or tradition? It is written: Hebrews 11:3 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Some believe Hebrews 11:3 An interpreted Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the preexistent Christ, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Is what they believe truth or tradition? Why? Kerwin. akjv. Hebrews 11:3   Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. wakeup. Wakeup, I am not sure where you are going here as you did not answer the questions I included. Kerwin akjv.(yours). 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the preexistent Christ, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. akjv.(mine). Hebrews 11:3   Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Why are they differently phrased? wakeup. Wakeup, It is a hypothetical interpretation of the AKJV and not the actual AKJV.  It is not mine but rather one I hypothesize certain people might make based on their teachings.  It is a method of argument to point out absurdities in an opposing argument.  I chose this passage because of its similarity to John 1:3. I thought all of this was clear from my original post.  Sorry that I confused you and I hope this clarifies the matter.

Kerwin.

Thats fine,I was just curious.
Thanks.

wakeup.

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YOU SAY THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE SCRIPTURES ;

BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEM ;

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2 Indeed, by faith our ancestors received approval. 3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was made from things that are not visible.

By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain's. Through this he received approval as righteous, God himself giving approval to his gifts; he died, but through his faith he still speaks. 5 By faith Enoch was taken so that he did not experience death; and “he was not found, because God had taken him.” For it was attested before he was taken away that “he had pleased God.”

YOU INTERPRET VERSE 3 THE PART OF “THE WORD OF GOD” AS BEING THE SPOKEN WORKS OF GOD RIGHT YES …SO TELL ME HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE EXAMPLE THAT PAUL DESCRIBE WITH YOUR VIEW BECAUSE IT MAKE NO SENSE IF YOU APPLY THAT RULE OF YOURS ,

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,03:10)

W YOU SAY THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE SCRIPTURES ; BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEM ; Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2 Indeed, by faith our ancestors received approval. 3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was made from things that are not visible. By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain's. Through this he received approval as righteous, God himself giving approval to his gifts; he died, but through his faith he still speaks. 5 By faith Enoch was taken so that he did not experience death; and “he was not found, because God had taken him.” For it was attested before he was taken away that “he had pleased God.” YOU INTERPRET VERSE 3 THE PART OF “THE WORD OF GOD” AS BEING THE SPOKEN WORKS OF GOD RIGHT YES …SO TELL ME HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE EXAMPLE THAT PAUL DESCRIBE WITH YOUR VIEW BECAUSE IT MAKE NO SENSE IF YOU APPLY THAT RULE OF YOURS ,

Terra.

It seems that we have a bible translation problem.
The latter translations has been
interpreted for you as it is printed.
So you are bound to follow their interpretation.
Therefore the truth can not be found.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,00:29)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,03:10) W YOU SAY THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE SCRIPTURES ; BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEM ; Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2 Indeed, by faith our ancestors received approval. 3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was made from things that are not visible. By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain's. Through this he received approval as righteous, God himself giving approval to his gifts; he died, but through his faith he still speaks. 5 By faith Enoch was taken so that he did not experience death; and “he was not found, because God had taken him.” For it was attested before he was taken away that “he had pleased God.” YOU INTERPRET VERSE 3 THE PART OF “THE WORD OF GOD” AS BEING THE SPOKEN WORKS OF GOD RIGHT YES …SO TELL ME HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE EXAMPLE THAT PAUL DESCRIBE WITH YOUR VIEW BECAUSE IT MAKE NO SENSE IF YOU APPLY THAT RULE OF YOURS , Terra. It seems that we have a bible translation problem. The latter translations has been interpreted for you as it is printed. So you are bound to follow their interpretation. Therefore the truth can not be found. wakeup.

W

SO AGAIN I CANNOT HELP YOU ,THEIR IS SOMETHING IN YOU THAT PREVENT YOU OF SEEING THE TRUTH ,SO PRAY

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,09:17)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,00:29) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,03:10) W YOU SAY THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE SCRIPTURES ; BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEM ; Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2 Indeed, by faith our ancestors received approval. 3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was made from things that are not visible. By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain's. Through this he received approval as righteous, God himself giving approval to his gifts; he died, but through his faith he still speaks. 5 By faith Enoch was taken so that he did not experience death; and “he was not found, because God had taken him.” For it was attested before he was taken away that “he had pleased God.” YOU INTERPRET VERSE 3 THE PART OF “THE WORD OF GOD” AS BEING THE SPOKEN WORKS OF GOD RIGHT YES …SO TELL ME HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE EXAMPLE THAT PAUL DESCRIBE WITH YOUR VIEW BECAUSE IT MAKE NO SENSE IF YOU APPLY THAT RULE OF YOURS , Terra. It seems that we have a bible translation problem. The latter translations has been interpreted for you as it is printed. So you are bound to follow their interpretation. Therefore the truth can not be found. wakeup. W SO AGAIN I CANNOT HELP YOU ,THEIR IS SOMETHING IN YOU THAT PREVENT YOU OF SEEING THE TRUTH ,SO PRAY

Terra.

I can not help you either,since you have a watered
down bible.
It has lost its power,and strength.
Its of no use anymore.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,07:39)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,09:17) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,00:29) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,03:10) W YOU SAY THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE SCRIPTURES ; BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEM ; Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2 Indeed, by faith our ancestors received approval. 3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was made from things that are not visible. By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain's. Through this he received approval as righteous, God himself giving approval to his gifts; he died, but through his faith he still speaks. 5 By faith Enoch was taken so that he did not experience death; and “he was not found, because God had taken him.” For it was attested before he was taken away that “he had pleased God.” YOU INTERPRET VERSE 3 THE PART OF “THE WORD OF GOD” AS BEING THE SPOKEN WORKS OF GOD RIGHT YES …SO TELL ME HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE EXAMPLE THAT PAUL DESCRIBE WITH YOUR VIEW BECAUSE IT MAKE NO SENSE IF YOU APPLY THAT RULE OF YOURS , Terra. It seems that we have a bible translation problem. The latter translations has been interpreted for you as it is printed. So you are bound to follow their interpretation. Therefore the truth can not be found. wakeup. W SO AGAIN I CANNOT HELP YOU ,THEIR IS SOMETHING IN YOU THAT PREVENT YOU OF SEEING THE TRUTH ,SO PRAY Terra. I can not help you either,since you have a watered down bible. It has lost its power,and strength. Its of no use anymore. wakeup.

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,13:56)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,07:39) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,09:17) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,00:29) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,03:10) W YOU SAY THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE SCRIPTURES ; BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEM ; Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2 Indeed, by faith our ancestors received approval. 3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was made from things that are not visible. By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain's. Through this he received approval as righteous, God himself giving approval to his gifts; he died, but through his faith he still speaks. 5 By faith Enoch was taken so that he did not experience death; and “he was not found, because God had taken him.” For it was attested before he was taken away that “he had pleased God.” YOU INTERPRET VERSE 3 THE PART OF “THE WORD OF GOD” AS BEING THE SPOKEN WORKS OF GOD RIGHT YES …SO TELL ME HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE EXAMPLE THAT PAUL DESCRIBE WITH YOUR VIEW BECAUSE IT MAKE NO SENSE IF YOU APPLY THAT RULE OF YOURS , Terra. It seems that we have a bible translation problem. The latter translations has been interpreted for you as it is printed. So you are bound to follow their interpretation. Therefore the truth can not be found. wakeup. W SO AGAIN I CANNOT HELP YOU ,THEIR IS SOMETHING IN YOU THAT PREVENT YOU OF SEEING THE TRUTH ,SO PRAY Terra. I can not help you either,since you have a watered down bible. It has lost its power,and strength. Its of no use anymore. wakeup.

Terra.

*We* believe in God by faith.
God did not create things by faith.
Faith in whom?
Faith in himself?

Paul was speaking about faith to us.
*We* need to have faith; not God.
God created everything by his power;not by his faith.

Please consider Paul's sermon once more.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,09:38)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,13:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,07:39) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,09:17) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,00:29) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,03:10) W YOU SAY THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE SCRIPTURES ; BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEM ; Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2 Indeed, by faith our ancestors received approval. 3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was made from things that are not visible. By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain's. Through this he received approval as righteous, God himself giving approval to his gifts; he died, but through his faith he still speaks. 5 By faith Enoch was taken so that he did not experience death; and “he was not found, because God had taken him.” For it was attested before he was taken away that “he had pleased God.” YOU INTERPRET VERSE 3 THE PART OF “THE WORD OF GOD” AS BEING THE SPOKEN WORKS OF GOD RIGHT YES …SO TELL ME HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE EXAMPLE THAT PAUL DESCRIBE WITH YOUR VIEW BECAUSE IT MAKE NO SENSE IF YOU APPLY THAT RULE OF YOURS , Terra. It seems that we have a bible translation problem. The latter translations has been interpreted for you as it is printed. So you are bound to follow their interpretation. Therefore the truth can not be found. wakeup. W SO AGAIN I CANNOT HELP YOU ,THEIR IS SOMETHING IN YOU THAT PREVENT YOU OF SEEING THE TRUTH ,SO PRAY Terra. I can not help you either,since you have a watered down bible. It has lost its power,and strength. Its of no use anymore. wakeup. Terra. *We* believe in God by faith. God did not create things by faith. Faith in whom? Faith in himself? Paul was speaking about faith to us. *We* need to have faith; not God. God created everything by his power;not by his faith. Please consider Paul's sermon once more. wakeup.

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all can see that you do not understand my quote ,why,

because you only like to argue ,YOU HAVE NO INTEREST TO THE TRUTH OF GOD ,YOU CAN NOT SHARE WHAT YOU DO NOT HAVE OR UNDERSTAND ,

SO I AM DONE WITH YOU ,YOU ARE LIKE A “OLD CAR SALESMAN “
WITH ALL HIS QUALIFICATIONS EXCEPT THE TRUTH ,

BY BY,

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 03 2013,12:41)

ERRORS IN UNDERSTANDING USUALLY COMES FROM A LACK OF WRITTEN KNOWLEDGE IN SCRIPTURES AND ALSO BIAS VIEW OR PRECONCEPT VIEW OF THE SCRIPTURES LIKE ;I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD LIKE THIS ; OR ;THIS SOUNDS MORE ADEQUATE TO WHAT I BELIEVE TOO BE TRUE ; OR; WELL EVERYONE ELSE SAYS IT THIS IS THE WAY TO SEE IT ;; OR;I AM WELL WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURES I AM A TEACHER AND KNOW WHAT THE WORD OF GOD MEANS AND SHOULD DO FOR US ,FOR ME I HAVE DONE THIS SAME THING NOW FOR 20,30 YEARS ,AND MY CONGREGATION AS INCREASED OVER TIME ,I HAVE BEEN BLESSED ,AND BLA,BLA,BLA ,IT SEEMS THOSE PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN GOD ;

T.

Errors in interpretation can be corrected with scriptures.
This you have failed to do.

wakeup.

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