A false view of hebrews 11:3?

[kerwin]

Is it truth or tradition?

It is written:

Hebrews 11:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Some believe

Hebrews 11:3
An interpreted Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the preexistent Christ, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Is what they believe truth or tradition?
Why?

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Is it truth or tradition? It is written: Hebrews 11:3 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Some believe Hebrews 11:3 An interpreted Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the preexistent Christ, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Is what they believe truth or tradition? Why?

tradition and false:

“so that the things which are seen were not made of things that do appear”

Is Jesus seen now? He had a beginning. He was not pre-existent.

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1 At [a]sundry times and in divers manners God spake in the old time to our fathers by the Prophets: in these last days he hath spoken unto us by his [c]Son, 2 [d]Whom he hath made [e]heir of all things, by whom also he made the [f]worlds, 3 Who being the [g]brightness of the glory, and the engraved form of his [h]person, and bearing up all things by his mighty word: [j]hath by himself purged our sins: and [k]sitteth at the right hand of the Majesty in the highest places, 4 [l]And is made so much more excellent than the Angels, inasmuch as he hath obtained a more excellent [m]Name than they. 5 [n]For unto which of the Angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, [o]this day begat I thee? and again, I will be his Father, and he shall be my Son: 6 And [p]again, when he bringeth in his first begotten Son into the world, he saith, And let all the Angels of God worship him

There was no Father and Son relationship until Jesus was born into this world. Look at verse 5 above.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[kerwin]

Marty,

Jesus is neither found or seen in this world as he now dwells in heaven. Those in his presence within that realm do see him.

Note: I strayed off topic in this post.

[kerwin]

Marty,

Despite my knee jerk reaction to some of your words I agree that the world were not framed by the preexistent Christ and yet some insist that they were.

I am of the opinion that such a belief is the result of traditional teachings and a flawed understanding of Scripture.

I liked the way you used scripture to support your point.

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Marty, Jesus is neither found or seen in this world as he now dwells in heaven. Those in his presence within that realm do see him. Note: I strayed off topic in this post.

While it is true that we do not see him in the physical realm. We do see him in the spiritual realm. And we do see him in fellow Christians.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[kerwin]

Marty,

What do you mean by spiritual sense?

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Marty, What do you mean by spiritual sense?

Hi Kerwin:

I mean that because he has baptized me with the Holy Ghost, I know that it is true that he is my Lord and is physically present at the right hand of God my Father as the head of the church, and also, because I have fellowship with him and God, my Father.

He personally is not physically here on earth, but the Word that God has spoken through him and is that same Word that He obeyed without sin even unto death on the cross is the same Word that is the “life giving spirit” that he is, and he is definitely with us in this way.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Marty,

Sounds right.

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Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 03 2013,10:52) Marty, What do you mean by spiritual sense? Hi Kerwin: I mean that because he has baptized me with the Holy Ghost, I know that it is true that he is my Lord and is physically present at the right hand of God my Father as the head of the church, and also, because I have fellowship with him and God, my Father. He personally is not physically here on earth, but the Word that God has spoken through him and is that same Word that He obeyed without sin even unto death on the cross is the same Word that is the “life giving spirit” that he is, and he is definitely with us in this way. Love in Christ, Marty

marty

if you would have the holy spirit you would not preach some of the things ,you said ,

and it shows that you do not have the truth of God either because YOU CLAIM IT FOR YOUR SELF TO BE IN YOUR POSSESSION ,THIS IS NOT HOW SCRIPTURES SAYS IT IS DONE ,

SO YOU CAN CLAIM WHAT EVER YOU LIKE BUT IT WOULD NOT BE TRUE STATEMENT BEFORE GOD ,

AND IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY WOULD BELIEVE YOU EITHER ,

THIS IS NOT A ACCUSATION THIS IS A CORRECTIVE STATEMENT ON A COMMON ERROR OF MOST BELIEVERS .

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ERRORS IN UNDERSTANDING USUALLY COMES FROM A LACK OF WRITTEN KNOWLEDGE IN SCRIPTURES AND ALSO BIAS VIEW OR PRECONCEPT VIEW OF THE SCRIPTURES LIKE ;I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD LIKE THIS ; OR ;THIS SOUNDS MORE ADEQUATE TO WHAT I BELIEVE TOO BE TRUE ; OR; WELL EVERYONE ELSE SAYS IT THIS IS THE WAY TO SEE IT ;; OR;I AM WELL WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURES I AM A TEACHER AND KNOW WHAT THE WORD OF GOD MEANS AND SHOULD DO FOR US ,FOR ME I HAVE DONE THIS SAME THING NOW FOR 20,30 YEARS ,AND MY CONGREGATION AS INCREASED OVER TIME ,I HAVE BEEN BLESSED ,AND BLA,BLA,BLA ,IT SEEMS THOSE PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN GOD ;

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Quote (942767 @ Sep. 03 2013,06:13) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 03 2013,10:52) Marty, What do you mean by spiritual sense? Hi Kerwin: I mean that because he has baptized me with the Holy Ghost, I know that it is true that he is my Lord and is physically present at the right hand of God my Father as the head of the church, and also, because I have fellowship with him and God, my Father. He personally is not physically here on earth, but the Word that God has spoken through him and is that same Word that He obeyed without sin even unto death on the cross is the same Word that is the “life giving spirit” that he is, and he is definitely with us in this way. Love in Christ, Marty marty if you would have the holy spirit you would not preach some of the things ,you said , and it shows that you do not have the truth of God either because YOU CLAIM IT FOR YOUR SELF TO BE IN YOUR  POSSESSION ,THIS IS NOT HOW SCRIPTURES SAYS IT IS DONE , SO YOU CAN CLAIM WHAT EVER YOU LIKE BUT IT WOULD NOT BE TRUE STATEMENT BEFORE GOD , AND IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY WOULD BELIEVE YOU EITHER , THIS IS NOT A ACCUSATION THIS IS A CORRECTIVE STATEMENT ON A COMMON ERROR OF MOST  BELIEVERS .

There you go again, who appointed you to be judge over me?

To my own master, I will stand or fall.

You may disagree with something that I teach, but who said that you are correct and I am wrong. Maybe you are the one who has it wrong.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 03 2013,12:33) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 03 2013,06:13) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 03 2013,10:52) Marty, What do you mean by spiritual sense? Hi Kerwin: I mean that because he has baptized me with the Holy Ghost, I know that it is true that he is my Lord and is physically present at the right hand of God my Father as the head of the church, and also, because I have fellowship with him and God, my Father. He personally is not physically here on earth, but the Word that God has spoken through him and is that same Word that He obeyed without sin even unto death on the cross is the same Word that is the “life giving spirit” that he is, and he is definitely with us in this way. Love in Christ, Marty marty if you would have the holy spirit you would not preach some of the things ,you said , and it shows that you do not have the truth of God either because YOU CLAIM IT FOR YOUR SELF TO BE IN YOUR  POSSESSION ,THIS IS NOT HOW SCRIPTURES SAYS IT IS DONE , SO YOU CAN CLAIM WHAT EVER YOU LIKE BUT IT WOULD NOT BE TRUE STATEMENT BEFORE GOD , AND IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY WOULD BELIEVE YOU EITHER , THIS IS NOT A ACCUSATION THIS IS A CORRECTIVE STATEMENT ON A COMMON ERROR OF MOST  BELIEVERS . There you go again, who appointed you to be judge over me? To my own master, I will stand or fall. You may disagree with something that I teach, but who said that you are correct and I am wrong.  Maybe you are the one who has it wrong. Love in Christ, Marty

the scriptures does ,we cannot fight the truth of God ,we only can join it ,

so if we do not cover our self totally with it they could always be pieces of our own will and character that shows up ones an a while ,and those are for all to see ,and compere the talk to scriptures truth .

it is easier to say nothing ,but I have to say it ,not to put you down ,but to lift you up ,if you think that it is to bring you down ;THIS IS OF YOUR OWN DOING ,

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Quote (942767 @ Sep. 03 2013,08:55) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 03 2013,12:33) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 03 2013,06:13) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 03 2013,10:52) Marty, What do you mean by spiritual sense? Hi Kerwin: I mean that because he has baptized me with the Holy Ghost, I know that it is true that he is my Lord and is physically present at the right hand of God my Father as the head of the church, and also, because I have fellowship with him and God, my Father. He personally is not physically here on earth, but the Word that God has spoken through him and is that same Word that He obeyed without sin even unto death on the cross is the same Word that is the “life giving spirit” that he is, and he is definitely with us in this way. Love in Christ, Marty marty if you would have the holy spirit you would not preach some of the things ,you said , and it shows that you do not have the truth of God either because YOU CLAIM IT FOR YOUR SELF TO BE IN YOUR  POSSESSION ,THIS IS NOT HOW SCRIPTURES SAYS IT IS DONE , SO YOU CAN CLAIM WHAT EVER YOU LIKE BUT IT WOULD NOT BE TRUE STATEMENT BEFORE GOD , AND IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY WOULD BELIEVE YOU EITHER , THIS IS NOT A ACCUSATION THIS IS A CORRECTIVE STATEMENT ON A COMMON ERROR OF MOST  BELIEVERS . There you go again, who appointed you to be judge over me? To my own master, I will stand or fall. You may disagree with something that I teach, but who said that you are correct and I am wrong.  Maybe you are the one who has it wrong. Love in Christ, Marty the scriptures does ,we cannot fight the truth of God ,we only can join it , so if we do not cover our self totally with it they could always be pieces of our own will and character that shows up ones an a while ,and those are for all to see ,and compere the talk to scriptures truth . it is easier to say nothing ,but I have to say it ,not to put you down ,but to lift you up ,if you think that it is to bring you down ;THIS IS OF YOUR OWN DOING ,

Hi Pierre:

I am teaching what I believe to be the truth, and both you and I are accountable to God for what we teach.

You have a bad habit of thinking that you can't possibly be wrong in what you teach, but everybody else is wrong if you do not agree with what they teach.

I ask God every morning in prayer that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will to correct me, and so, I do want to be corrected if I am wrong, and so, if you believe that I am wrong in what I am teaching show me this by the scriptures. If I am convinced by the scriptures, I will accept my correction.

But no, you are not the judge of whether or not I have the Holy Spirit. So, don't tell me that I don't have the Holy Spirit.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 03 2013,14:31) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 03 2013,08:55) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 03 2013,12:33) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 03 2013,06:13) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 03 2013,10:52) Marty, What do you mean by spiritual sense? Hi Kerwin: I mean that because he has baptized me with the Holy Ghost, I know that it is true that he is my Lord and is physically present at the right hand of God my Father as the head of the church, and also, because I have fellowship with him and God, my Father. He personally is not physically here on earth, but the Word that God has spoken through him and is that same Word that He obeyed without sin even unto death on the cross is the same Word that is the “life giving spirit” that he is, and he is definitely with us in this way. Love in Christ, Marty marty if you would have the holy spirit you would not preach some of the things ,you said , and it shows that you do not have the truth of God either because YOU CLAIM IT FOR YOUR SELF TO BE IN YOUR  POSSESSION ,THIS IS NOT HOW SCRIPTURES SAYS IT IS DONE , SO YOU CAN CLAIM WHAT EVER YOU LIKE BUT IT WOULD NOT BE TRUE STATEMENT BEFORE GOD , AND IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY WOULD BELIEVE YOU EITHER , THIS IS NOT A ACCUSATION THIS IS A CORRECTIVE STATEMENT ON A COMMON ERROR OF MOST  BELIEVERS . There you go again, who appointed you to be judge over me? To my own master, I will stand or fall. You may disagree with something that I teach, but who said that you are correct and I am wrong.  Maybe you are the one who has it wrong. Love in Christ, Marty the scriptures does ,we cannot fight the truth of God ,we only can join it , so if we do not cover our self totally with it they could always be pieces of our own will and character that shows up ones an a while ,and those are for all to see ,and compere the talk to scriptures truth . it is easier to say nothing ,but I have to say it ,not to put you down ,but to lift you up ,if you think that it is to bring you down ;THIS IS OF YOUR OWN DOING , Hi Pierre: I am teaching what I believe to be the truth, and both you and I are accountable to God for what we teach. You have a bad habit of thinking that you can't possibly be wrong in what you teach, but everybody else is wrong if you do not agree with what they teach. I ask God every morning in prayer that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will to correct me, and so, I do want to be corrected if I am wrong, and so, if you believe that I am wrong in what I am teaching show me this by the scriptures.  If I am convinced by the scriptures, I will accept my correction. But no, you are not the judge of whether or not I have the Holy Spirit.  So, don't tell me that I don't have the Holy Spirit. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

Your last statement his killing you first good intention, read it ,

How can anyone make you drink water that you do not want

The water is given to you ,but it is up to you either to drink it as clear as it is given to you or either in a trouble water that you are or have been indoctrinated in, I,have shown you many scriptures from the clear source ,but no way for to drink it , that heart of us ,yeah ,the power of devotion belong to all ,and so is not an indication of real Godly truth,

Prayer ,as a action in practice ,is used randomly in all religion and so can not be used as the true connection to the true God,

So only the search of the truth of the will of the true God ,with a love for his truth can bring the truth inside of our hearts,and so receive the spirit of his true understanding ,not ours,

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Hi Pierre:

This is what the scriptures state:

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Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge.

But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Hi Pierre: This is what the scriptures state: Quote Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. Love in Christ, Marty

marty

you did not see what i wanted you to see in your own mind ,

you rather insult me ,than bend to God 's word ,

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I ask God every morning in prayer that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will to correct me

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I am teaching what I believe to be the truth, and both you and I are accountable to God for what we teach.

I said;

Your last statement his killing you first good intention, read it ,

your ego is in your way ;

but you do not have to believe me ,what do I know about anything ,of God you are the teacher not me ,I only preach truth ;and stand on scriptures 100% sure i do research much of it ,because truth ,that is not truth his a lie ,

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Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,00:07) Hi Pierre: This is what the scriptures state: Quote Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. Love in Christ, Marty marty you did not see what i wanted you to see in your own mind , you rather insult me ,than bend to God 's word , 1) Quote I ask God every morning in prayer that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will to correct me 2) Quote I am teaching what I believe to be the truth, and both you and I are accountable to God for what we teach. I said; Your last statement his killing you first good intention, read it , your ego is in your way ; but you do not have to believe me ,what do I know about anything ,of God you are the teacher not me ,I only preach truth ;and stand on scriptures 100% sure i do research much of it ,because truth ,that is not truth his a lie ,

What last statement? You told me that I did not have the Holy Spirit, and I said that you were not the judge of that, and I stand by that statement.

Maybe, you should read how you speak to me.

You say that I have insulted you? I have just told you the truth.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,06:03) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,00:07) Hi Pierre: This is what the scriptures state: Quote Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. Love in Christ, Marty marty you did not see what i wanted you to see in your own mind , you rather insult me ,than bend to God 's word , 1) Quote I ask God every morning in prayer that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will to correct me 2) Quote I am teaching what I believe to be the truth, and both you and I are accountable to God for what we teach. I said; Your last statement his killing you first good intention, read it , your ego is in your way ; but you do not have to believe me ,what do I know about anything ,of God you are the teacher not me ,I only preach truth ;and stand on scriptures 100% sure i do research much of it ,because truth ,that is not truth his a lie , What last statement?  You told me that I did not have the Holy Spirit, and I said that you were not the judge of that, and I stand by that statement. Maybe, you should read how you speak to me.   You say that I have insulted you?  I have just told you the truth. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

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Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer.

this is not the answer to what I told you ,but it was the only thing you could think of to get back to me ,and that is to kind down look at me if not telling ,get lost ,

I have rewritten your comments and number them 1 ans 2 and showed you my answer ,what is that you can not see ?

is your “I” so big ?

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Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,02:42) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,06:03) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,00:07) Hi Pierre: This is what the scriptures state: Quote Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. Love in Christ, Marty marty you did not see what i wanted you to see in your own mind , you rather insult me ,than bend to God 's word , 1) Quote I ask God every morning in prayer that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will to correct me 2) Quote I am teaching what I believe to be the truth, and both you and I are accountable to God for what we teach. I said; Your last statement his killing you first good intention, read it , your ego is in your way ; but you do not have to believe me ,what do I know about anything ,of God you are the teacher not me ,I only preach truth ;and stand on scriptures 100% sure i do research much of it ,because truth ,that is not truth his a lie , What last statement?  You told me that I did not have the Holy Spirit, and I said that you were not the judge of that, and I stand by that statement. Maybe, you should read how you speak to me.   You say that I have insulted you?  I have just told you the truth. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Quote Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. this is not the answer to what I told you ,but it was the only thing you could think of to get back to me ,and that is to kind down look at me if not telling ,get lost , I have rewritten your comments and number them 1 ans 2 and showed you my answer ,what is that you can not see ? is your “I” so big ?

No,t is not my ego, but yours that gets in the way and speak to me as a judge as if anything you say is the truth and there is no way that you may be wrong.

I told you that I pray every morning to God asking Him correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His will or doing anything that is not His will,

And you come back to me saying that all religions pray to some god. And so, who is insulting who?

I just gave you the scripture in James 1 that shows that if we lack wisdom, which sometimes I may lack, that we should ask Him to give us wisdom. And so, this is the God that I ask, and not any other God. I also know Him as my Father.

And there is scripture that states that Jesus is the judge, and so, that being the case, that means that you are not.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,07:55) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,02:42) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2013,06:03) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 06 2013,00:07) Hi Pierre: This is what the scriptures state: Quote Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. Love in Christ, Marty marty you did not see what i wanted you to see in your own mind , you rather insult me ,than bend to God 's word , 1) Quote I ask God every morning in prayer that if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will to correct me 2) Quote I am teaching what I believe to be the truth, and both you and I are accountable to God for what we teach. I said; Your last statement his killing you first good intention, read it , your ego is in your way ; but you do not have to believe me ,what do I know about anything ,of God you are the teacher not me ,I only preach truth ;and stand on scriptures 100% sure i do research much of it ,because truth ,that is not truth his a lie , What last statement?  You told me that I did not have the Holy Spirit, and I said that you were not the judge of that, and I stand by that statement. Maybe, you should read how you speak to me.   You say that I have insulted you?  I have just told you the truth. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Quote Maybe you should try asking God for wisdom in what you teach and also, maybe lead you to the scripture which plainly shows us who is the judge. But your thorn in the flesh is giving me plenty of practice in practicing patience, and prayer. this is not the answer to what I told you ,but it was the only thing you could think of to get back to me ,and that is to kind down look at me if not telling ,get lost , I have rewritten your comments and number them 1 ans 2 and showed you my answer ,what is that you can not see ? is your “I” so big ? No,t is not my ego, but yours that gets in the way and speak to me as a judge as if anything you say is the truth and there is no way that you may be wrong. I told you that I pray every morning to God asking Him correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His will or doing anything that is not His will, And you come back to me saying that all religions pray to some god.  And so, who is insulting who? I just gave you the scripture in James 1 that shows that if we lack wisdom, which sometimes I may lack, that we should ask Him to give us wisdom.  And so, this is the God that I ask, and not any other God.  I also know Him as my Father. And there is scripture that states that Jesus is the judge, and so, that being the case, that means that you are not. Love in Christ, Marty

marty

ok ,i am the blind ,I should have keep silence ,leave as it is ,this i agree iT's my error ,my ego also is so high ,i can not see it any more , my neck is so hard as steel , i have no clue why i read the bible , i am a waist ,A IGNORANT, after you now tell me what i am become after 50 years of bible study ,you make me feel to go and change , my self , OR AT THE LEAST LET OTHERS PREACH WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE TO PREACH WRONG OR RIGHT ,CHRIST WILL JUDGE THEM ANYWAY ,IF SO WHY ARE YOU BEING ON THIS FORUM AND MEET ME

IS NOT WHAT WE BOTH DO

you tell me your views by listing your closter of scriptures and i show you the whole scriptures ,but it is to much to look into i guess here ,

to me marty ,the scriptures are indivisible either it is looked as a whole or you can not have the truth ,God's understanding is spread all through his words ,and all have to agree with each other ,because no one prophet of God can stand on his own ,he is part of God's plan to spread the his word,

and make known to other ,no confusion at all ,only if you start to cut it up ,and use bits and pieces ;then the problems starts ,

but ,it yours ,you are in your self made web ,

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