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Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,05:42) “The first was (1) like a lion, and (2) had eagle's wings:” (Dan 7:4) (1) The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed
feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)(2) “There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation. 8 It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine. 9 Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof. 10 Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew. 11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 12 Say now to the rebellious house, Know ye not what these things mean? tell them, Behold, the king of Babylon is come to Jerusalem, and hath taken the king thereof, and the princes thereof, and led them with him to Babylon;” (Ezek 17:7-12)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Georgie,Glad to see you are back!
Will you please comment on this post.Hi WU,
You say
'The gift of prophesy in the modern age is the gift of understanding prophesy.”Did not prophets prophesy over Paul as to what his fate would be?
Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2012,15:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2012,05:07) Hi WU,
You say
“My knowledge of the scriptures can not be refuted,because there are no contradictions with scripture,the harmony is there.”
Really??
Nick.Realy,I am not just hot air.
The prophesies are there to be understood,the word revelation means to reveal; not to keep secret.
The little book was opened by the Lamb,to be revealed to the true seekers only.Dont assume that no one in this world is given the gift of prophesy,there is such a gift,so to say that no one can have the knowledge of prophesy is not true.
All the prophesies are there to be understood:
The world seems to have this idea that the prophsies are not to be understood,because of the symbols.Eph 1:17.That the God of our Lord Jesus christ,the father of glory,may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him.
You can have that knowledge too nick;if you seek with all your heart and in truth.
wakeup.
wuQuote Realy,I am not just hot air. so you are like the pope infallible
? Eph 1:17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.NIV,
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:KJV,,
what is the glory of the father
Ed wrote:[/quote]
Hi EdVery well then. You are not going to give up are you? I am reluctant to give you the truth in case you trample it again. It takes so much explaining. We will start here. I will explain it in my own way, leading up to your scripture and prove how this is future. It will take a few posts. Concentrate on this for now.
Quote b](1)[/b] The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed
feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)This is where you cannot decipher between past and future.
Go to the beginning of this chapter 50
Jeremiah 50:1 The word that the Lord spake against Babylon and against the land of the Chaldeans by Jeremiah the prophet.The Lord spoke against Babylon back then,
but he also speaks against Babylon the Great in the last days. The world now, which has the spirit of Babylon.
God also calls the christian inhabitants of modern day Babylon the chaldeans.
Chaldeans = Christian Inhabitants of Babylon.
Their land is desolate – no truth, dry, thirsty.Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT. THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Jeremiah 50:2 Declare ye among the nations and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not say, Babylon is taken Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are broken in pieces her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces.
This is where you get tricked. Merodach is the son of Nebuchadnezzar. So you think the scripture refers to him? His name is translated into Marduk and means sun/bull god. This god is still worshipped amongst men in high places.
I don't know how to attach but go to this site to see symbol to get an idea that this worship is still very much alive
http://vigilantcitizen.com/siniste….liament and this one http://www.seekingtruth.co.uk/europe.htmJeremiah 50:3 For out of the north there cometh up a nation against her, which shall make her land desolate and none shall dwell therein: they shall remove, they shall depart, both man and beast.
So far, this is future. Babylon was taken by Medo/Persia who are from the EAST
Nebs son Merodach was not ruling when Babylon back then was punished. His grandson Belshazzar was.
This is future so far.I will continue later.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2012,14:53) Hi WU,
You say
'The gift of prophesy in the modern age is the gift of understanding prophesy.”Did not prophets prophesy over Paul as to what his fate would be?
Nick.All prophesies are written in the bilble,and we must try to understand.
We dont need to prophesy,for it is all done; what we need to do is try to understand.The prophets are untill john(the babtist).The apostles are taught by the Holy spirit,which Christ promised to them.
What about the John of revelation?
The book of revelation is a prophesy from God to Jesus,who send his angel to reveal it to John,and from John to us, and from us to all that are interested.wakeup.
“The first was (1) like a lion, and (2) had eagle's wings:” (Dan 7:4)
(1) The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed
feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)OK, you have addresses “the lion” part according to you belief.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org“The first was (1) like a lion, and (2) had eagle's wings:” (Dan 7:4)
(1) The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed
feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)(2) “There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation. 8 It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine. 9 Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof. 10 Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew. 11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 12 Say now to the rebellious house, Know ye not what these things mean? tell them, Behold, the king of Babylon is come to Jerusalem, and hath taken the king thereof, and the princes thereof, and led them with him to Babylon;” (Ezek 17:7-12)
Now will you please addresses the “eagle's wings” part.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ June 22 2012,16:30) Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2012,15:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2012,05:07) Hi WU,
You say
“My knowledge of the scriptures can not be refuted,because there are no contradictions with scripture,the harmony is there.”
Really??
Nick.Realy,I am not just hot air.
The prophesies are there to be understood,the word revelation means to reveal; not to keep secret.
The little book was opened by the Lamb,to be revealed to the true seekers only.Dont assume that no one in this world is given the gift of prophesy,there is such a gift,so to say that no one can have the knowledge of prophesy is not true.
All the prophesies are there to be understood:
The world seems to have this idea that the prophsies are not to be understood,because of the symbols.Eph 1:17.That the God of our Lord Jesus christ,the father of glory,may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him.
You can have that knowledge too nick;if you seek with all your heart and in truth.
wakeup.
wuQuote Realy,I am not just hot air. so you are like the pope infallible
? Eph 1:17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.NIV,
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:KJV,,
what is the glory of the father
Terra.Do you believe in the gifts,or dont you
You will say yes,I believe; but not you,maybe somebody else,but not you.
And this you will say to anybody that does not fit in with your way of thinking.That word infallible is your choice of word,not mine.
wakeup.
Hi WU,
The law and the prophets were until John does not mean prophets no longer exist.
Paul was prophesied over several timesQuote (Ed J @ June 22 2012,19:30) “The first was (1) like a lion, and (2) had eagle's wings:” (Dan 7:4) (1) The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed
feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)(2) “There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation. 8 It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine. 9 Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof. 10 Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew. 11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 12 Say now to the rebellious house, Know ye not what these things mean? tell them, Behold, the king of Babylon is come to Jerusalem, and hath taken the king thereof, and the princes thereof, and led them with him to Babylon;” (Ezek 17:7-12)
Now will you please addresses the “eagle's wings” part.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,We are well aware that Babylons symbol was a Lion with eagles wings. This is well known.
So why are you even trying to link scripture to prove this?
We are all aware of it.You can not use Ezekiel ch17 by the way Ed.
God is speaking of two eagles Ed…two eagles, yet you are trying to strip one eagle of its wings and place it on the lion of Babylon? But God is speaking of eagles Ed…two eagles.
Will you take the wings from the other eagle and put it on Egypt too? You must be consistent in your approach Ed if you do this thing.J42 has already shown that God has used lions to represent others besides Babylon Ed…and i will let scripture expand on it as to why God uses the lion as a metaphor….
Jeremiah 2:30
In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction: your own sword hath devoured your prophets, like a destroying lion.When a nation attacks another, it behaves as a roaring lion to its prey Ed…
Isaiah 5:29
Their roaring shall be like a lion, they shall roar like young lions: yea, they shall roar, and lay hold of the prey, and shall carry it away safe, and none shall deliver it.So as scripture shows, lions are used for other nations in Gods metaphors, and so are eagles…this being the case, then using that logic that the lion with eagles wings must be Babylon because it was their national symbol must also be used with the Bear..the Leopard with 4 heads & wings & the terrible beast.
But you don't extend your method to the other beasts Ed?
WHY not?
There is no consistency in your approach, instead, it is very selective…and we know what that leads to.Cheers.
Quote (Devolution @ June 22 2012,23:06) But you don't extend your method to the other beasts Ed?
WHY not?Cheers.
Hi Devolution,What do you mean?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 22 2012,23:31) Quote (Devolution @ June 22 2012,23:06) But you don't extend your method to the other beasts Ed?
WHY not?Cheers.
Hi Devolution,What do you mean?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,We were quite willing to let this go, let you have the last say, but you persist in carrying it on and on and demanding we reply…
My point was clear and easily understood. I will say this just once more okay? Im not going to keep on repeating myself when my points are easily understood.
There is no need to play these games.YOU say that the lion with eagles wings is Babylon because it was their national symbol…
Then which nations national symbol was the Bear?
Or the 4 headed Leopard with 4 wings?
Or the terrible beast with 10 horns?Whose national symbols are these Ed?
You used that method for the 1st beast…
then use it for the 2nd, 3rd & 4th.But you don't…why? Because it does not work..which means?
It means that this is NOT that method YOU use that God is using with these 4 symbolic beasts.So where is the consistency in your adopted method?
I will tell you where…it is not there!Consistency Ed.
God practices it, we should too.Cheers.
Quote (Devolution @ June 23 2012,00:16) Hi Ed, YOU say that the lion with eagles wings is Babylon because it was their national symbol…
Cheers.
Hi Devolution,No, that is not what I was saying.
I was pointing out how God described Babylon
both 'like a lion' and an 'eagle with great wings'.It is you that pointed out prophecy was fulfilled through historical record here.
And yet another fact pointing towards my interpretation being correct.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 23 2012,00:29) Quote (Devolution @ June 23 2012,00:16) Hi Ed, YOU say that the lion with eagles wings is Babylon because it was their national symbol…
Cheers.
Hi Devolution,No, that is not what I was saying.
I was pointing out how God described Babylon
both 'like a lion' and an 'eagle with great wings'.It is you that pointed out prophecy was fulfilled through historical record here.
And yet another fact pointing towards my interpretation being correct.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote No, that is not what I was saying. I was pointing out how God described Babylon both 'like a lion' and an 'eagle with great wings'. ??
Oh boy Ed!!
I know..because that is exactly what i was commenting on!!!!!!And now you are disagreeing that i knew with what you were commenting on before you got a chance to declare it so somehow i am now wrong on commenting on exactly what you just declared of which i declared you were commenting on in the first place?
???I'm getting a headache!!
Cheers….i think?
Quote (Wakeup @ June 23 2012,03:57) Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2012,16:30) Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2012,15:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2012,05:07) Hi WU,
You say
“My knowledge of the scriptures can not be refuted,because there are no contradictions with scripture,the harmony is there.”
Really??
Nick.Realy,I am not just hot air.
The prophesies are there to be understood,the word revelation means to reveal; not to keep secret.
The little book was opened by the Lamb,to be revealed to the true seekers only.Dont assume that no one in this world is given the gift of prophesy,there is such a gift,so to say that no one can have the knowledge of prophesy is not true.
All the prophesies are there to be understood:
The world seems to have this idea that the prophsies are not to be understood,because of the symbols.Eph 1:17.That the God of our Lord Jesus christ,the father of glory,may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him.
You can have that knowledge too nick;if you seek with all your heart and in truth.
wakeup.
wuQuote Realy,I am not just hot air. so you are like the pope infallible
? Eph 1:17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.NIV,
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:KJV,,
what is the glory of the father
Terra.Do you believe in the gifts,or dont you
You will say yes,I believe; but not you,maybe somebody else,but not you.
And this you will say to anybody that does not fit in with your way of thinking.That word infallible is your choice of word,not mine.
wakeup.
WuYou know that the glory of a carpenter,is his work,right
The work he does would prove what kind of carpenter he his,right
So it is with a King,or even a God right,
Wen gifts are given ,would they not be given for a reason
Yes,
And what would be those reasons Are those gifts not given for the purpose of Gods will to be fulfill ,so why would the son of God pray John 17 to his father for those who will come after the apostles and that would believe in their MESSAGE ,why is that We're in scriptures it says that the gifts and the holy spirit would be given on a continuous way trough the age or time
The fact that Christ has said that he would be WITH his people would be already a gift ,and that is exactly what has and his happen,
So no I do not believe in men with gifts that not show the works,of his talent,
Terra.
There are some in this world that has been given the gift of prophesy by God; do you agree? Or is there none?
You must agree that there are some;because there is a gift; the gift of prophesy.
Do you know any one that has this gift,can you tell me?
Is it some pastor you know,or is it some writer of some book that you think; this is the truth; he is right,I believe that he is accurate.Now you say that I dont have that gift,because it is imposible.
Because you dont like my interpretation.It does not agree with you.So show me where I made a mistake,using your scriptures,I dare you. Proof to me that I was wrong
You dont like it because it is different from the others,right.
Because it does not fit with what you know.wakeup.
Hi T,
The Holy Spirit is promised throughout the generations[acts 2.39]
Where did you read that the Holy Spirit now no longer brings fruits and spiritual powers?God does not change.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 23 2012,15:39) Terra. There are some in this world that has been given the gift of prophesy by God; do you agree? Or is there none?
You must agree that there are some;because there is a gift; the gift of prophesy.
Do you know any one that has this gift,can you tell me?
Is it some pastor you know,or is it some writer of some book that you think; this is the truth; he is right,I believe that he is accurate.Now you say that I dont have that gift,because it is imposible.
Because you dont like my interpretation.It does not agree with you.So show me where I made a mistake,using your scriptures,I dare you. Proof to me that I was wrong
You dont like it because it is different from the others,right.
Because it does not fit with what you know.wakeup.
WuYou have not answered my questions,
But I will answer yours,what is happen in most prophecy that have been forecast by some of those so call gifted people ,are all have been shown false,why is that
Truth would lead to truth,God gives of his truth to those who are and live by his truth,not to those that follows their own truth in scriptures,
Christ says if he would talk to vindicate himself ,it would not be true,
So you are darting me to prove you wrong
Only this prove you are wrong ,Ego his the fall of all men that try to stand up in Gods truth ,this is true then and now,
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2012,17:26) Hi T,
The Holy Spirit is promised throughout the generations[acts 2.39]
Where did you read that the Holy Spirit now no longer brings fruits and spiritual powers?God does not change.
NGod does not change this is true ,but tell me how do you know what God wants ,his,and does
Unless you know God that well you really can not say that,you are just repeat the words of the apostle,or scriptures,
And we know that his will to reconcile all things to him is in progress and so in a constant movement toward that finish line were all will be of God and in Gods will.
And I can not see we're Act 2:39 will stay part of his plan instead of a part of his early plan at the time of Christ disciples the beginning of the kingdom setup,
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