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Hi9 Devolution,
Are you still dismissing that they are labeled together in Daniel 2?
Plus: what do you say the bear lifting itself on one side means,
if not that Persia was stronger than Media?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Devolution @ June 20 2012,16:11) Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,14:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2012,13:04) Hi ED,
You think your opinions are better and others do not base theirs on scripture?
Why do you think yours are superior?
Hi Nick,I did not say mine were 'superior'?
I said: mine are based on Scripture. Ask,
and I will point you to the specific verse; OK.God bless
Ed J
Hi Ed,Are you aware of this:
The Persian Empire is named after an Indo-European tribe called Parsua. The name Persia is a Latin pronunciation of the Indo-Iranian people Parsua who named their territorial borders Persis, after their tribal name, an area located north of the Persian Gulf and East of Tigris river referred to as Persis (or in Persian, Pars).[17]
Despite its success and rapid expansion, Achaemenid empire was not the first Iranian empire, as by sixth century BCE another group of ancient Iranic people had already established the Median Empire[/b].[17] The Medes had originally been the dominant Iranic group in the region, rising to power at the end of the 7th century BC and incorporating the Persians into their empire[/b].
And this:
At some point in 550 BCE, Cyrus the Great rose in rebellion against the Median empire (most likely due to the Medes' mismanagement of Persis), eventually conquering the Medes and creating the first Persian empire. Cyrus the Great would utilize his tactical genius,[20] as well as his understanding of the socio-political equations governing his territories, to eventually incorporate into the Persian empire the neighbouring Lydian and Neo-Babylonian empires, and also leading the way for his successor, Cambyses II to venture into Egypt and defeat the Hittite Empire and the Egyptian Kingdom.
Cyrus the Great would reflect his political acumen in the management of his newly formed empire, as the Persian empire became the first to attempt to govern many different ethnic groups, on the principle of equal responsibilities, and rights for all people, so long as subjects paid their taxes and kept the peace.
Can you see the biblical implications?
Cheers.
Hi Devolution, That information DEFIANTLY supports my conclusion of the bear lifting itself up on one side.But I believe it is NOT applicable to your point
because Daniel Chapter 2 parallels Daniel 7,
which happens to support my conclusion.In Daniel Chapter 2 they are clearly listed together. Plus the fact that you
have not addressed the bear lifting itself up on one side.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,17:20) Quote (Devolution @ June 20 2012,16:11) Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,14:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2012,13:04) Hi ED,
You think your opinions are better and others do not base theirs on scripture?
Why do you think yours are superior?
Hi Nick,I did not say mine were 'superior'?
I said: mine are based on Scripture. Ask,
and I will point you to the specific verse; OK.God bless
Ed J
Hi Ed,Are you aware of this:
The Persian Empire is named after an Indo-European tribe called Parsua. The name Persia is a Latin pronunciation of the Indo-Iranian people Parsua who named their territorial borders Persis, after their tribal name, an area located north of the Persian Gulf and East of Tigris river referred to as Persis (or in Persian, Pars).[17]
Despite its success and rapid expansion, Achaemenid empire was not the first Iranian empire, as by sixth century BCE another group of ancient Iranic people had already established the Median Empire[/b].[17] The Medes had originally been the dominant Iranic group in the region, rising to power at the end of the 7th century BC and incorporating the Persians into their empire[/b].
And this:
At some point in 550 BCE, Cyrus the Great rose in rebellion against the Median empire (most likely due to the Medes' mismanagement of Persis), eventually conquering the Medes and creating the first Persian empire. Cyrus the Great would utilize his tactical genius,[20] as well as his understanding of the socio-political equations governing his territories, to eventually incorporate into the Persian empire the neighbouring Lydian and Neo-Babylonian empires, and also leading the way for his successor, Cambyses II to venture into Egypt and defeat the Hittite Empire and the Egyptian Kingdom.
Cyrus the Great would reflect his political acumen in the management of his newly formed empire, as the Persian empire became the first to attempt to govern many different ethnic groups, on the principle of equal responsibilities, and rights for all people, so long as subjects paid their taxes and kept the peace.
Can you see the biblical implications?
Cheers.
Hi Devolution, That information DEFIANTLY supports my conclusion of the bear lifting itself up on one side.But I believe it is NOT applicable to your point
because Daniel Chapter 2 parallels Daniel 7,
which happens to support my conclusion.In Daniel Chapter 2 they are clearly listed together. Plus the fact that you
have not addressed the bear lifting itself up on one side.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,Actually it fits very well with what scripture is saying. But i don't wish to keep going over the same argument over and over, so i will just ask you this…
What does the first beast stand for in Daniel ch7?
Cheers.
Hi Devolution,
Lets make sure we have all the bases covered before we move forward; OK?
What do you believe the bear lifting itself up on one side means? (you have yet to answer)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,23:25) Hi Devolution, Lets make sure we have all the bases covered before we move forward; OK?
What do you believe the bear lifting itself up on one side means? (you have yet to answer)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,I will answer you soon okay…
YOU said Babylon Ed?
But the first beast stands for a king not a kingdom.Daniel 7:17
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.So i ask you, according to scripture, and history, which backs scripture, and not according to opinion….which king is scripture speaking of Ed…
Again, not which kingdom Ed, but just as scripture says…4 kings…which king?
King…king…king…king…king…which king Ed?
Any other answer that is not a king is mere opinion Ed…
Which king Ed?I'm not sure how many times i need to repeat what scripture is declaring to make you see it Ed?
So to be safe, just once more…which king is God speaking of that shall arise? King not kingdom Ed.
Cheers.
Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,05:42) “The first was (1) like a lion, and (2) had eagle's wings:” (Dan 7:4) (1) The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed
feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)(2) “There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation. 8 It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine. 9 Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof. 10 Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew. 11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 12 Say now to the rebellious house, Know ye not what these things mean? tell them, Behold, the king of Babylon is come to Jerusalem, and hath taken the king thereof, and the princes thereof, and led them with him to Babylon;” (Ezek 17:7-12)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Have you forgotten about this post?Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2012,15:54) To Pierre, Devolution, and Georgie, concerning the word shall in Daniel 7:17… The word “shall” was added by the translators for purposes of clarity.
But instead of it providing clarity to you, you instead are fogging
up their intention by discounting definitions #1 and 2 and 4;
by insisting that only definition number 3 was meant. …it is not wise to treat the bible in this manor.Shall (Webster)
1 – archaic a : will have to : must
b : will be able to : can2 – a —used to express a command or exhortation (you shall go)
b —used in laws, regulations, or directives to express what is mandatory (it shall be unlawful to carry firearms)3 – a —used to express what is inevitable or seems likely to happen in the future (we shall have to be ready) (we shall see)
b —used to express simple futurity (when shall we expect you)4 – —used to express determination (they shall not pass)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Have you also forgotten about this post?Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,23:25) Hi Devolution, Lets make sure we have all the bases covered before we move forward; OK?
What do you believe the bear lifting itself up on one side means? (you have yet to answer)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Devolution, also remember that I suggest that
the three ribs in the bears mouth represent:1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. BabylonWhich lines up perfectly with historical record
first Prophesied in Daniel Chapter two,
and affirmed in Chapter Seven.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 21 2012,00:02) Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,05:42) “The first was (1) like a lion, and (2) had eagle's wings:” (Dan 7:4) Hi Devolution, it is you that needs to take a closer look; surely the bible explains the bible!
Here are two pieces of evidence, which support the idea that the lion represents Babylon.
(1) The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed
feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)(2) “There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation. 8 It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine. 9 Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof. 10 Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew. 11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 12 Say now to the rebellious house, Know ye not what these things mean? tell them, Behold, the king of Babylon is come to Jerusalem, and hath taken the king thereof, and the princes thereof, and led them with him to Babylon;” (Ezek 17:7-12)
So I repeat:
What evidence do you have to suggest the lion represents Media?
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Have you forgotten about this post?
Hi Ed,No i have not forgotten this your above post.
Have you forgotten this:
Daniel 7:1
In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed, then he wrote the dream and told the sum of the matters.Daniel 7:3
And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.Daniel 7:15
I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body and the visions of my head troubled me.Daniel 7:16
I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.Daniel 7:17
These great beasts which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.Daniel 2:39
And after thee (King Neb) shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee………Notice SHALL ARISE? Ed. Means to come up next Ed. Same language as the next king to arise in 7:17. Wouldn't you agree? and notice God is speaking of kingdoms and not kings here.
So again, personal interpretations aside, which king shall arise after Belshazzar…..Is this a little clearer now?
Quote (Devolution @ June 21 2012,00:24)
Notice SHALL ARISE? Ed. Means to come up next Ed. Same language as the next king to arise in 7:17. Wouldn't you agree?
No, because you are eliminating the correct application which is: definitions #1,2 & 4.The word “shall” was added by the translators for purposes of clarity.
But instead of it providing clarity to you, you instead are fogging
up their intention by discounting definitions #1 and 2 and 4;
and insisting that only definition number 3 was meant.
Shall (Webster)
1 – archaic a : will have to : must
b : will be able to : can2 – a —used to express a command or exhortation (you shall go)
b —used in laws, regulations, or directives to express what is mandatory (it shall be unlawful to carry firearms)3 – a —used to express what is inevitable or seems likely to happen in the future (we shall have to be ready) (we shall see)
b —used to express simple futurity (when shall we expect you)4 – —used to express determination (they shall not pass)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 21 2012,06:22) Babylon
EdEven without the word Shall, it is not Babylon, but thanks for your opinion
Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2012,03:52) Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2012,06:22) Babylon
EdEven without the word Shall, it is not Babylon, but thanks for your opinion
Your welcome!Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2012,04:23) Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2012,03:52) Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2012,06:22) Babylon
EdEven without the word Shall, it is not Babylon, but thanks for your opinion
Your welcome!
EDJ.Give your teacher mr. shoebat a miss Ed.
He has lead you astray,and let go of your pride and admit in Christ name that you(he) are wrong.
You should love the truth more than anything else.
For your own sake.My knowledge of the scriptures can not be refuted,because there are no contradictions with scripture,the harmony is there.
The kj. bible is perfect,there is no need to go to the greek or hebrew translations.
No boasting ment,for I dont like boasters; sometimes one has to be blunt and straight to get the message across,thats all.wakeup.
Hi WU,
You say
“My knowledge of the scriptures can not be refuted,because there are no contradictions with scripture,the harmony is there.”
Really??Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2012,05:07) Hi WU,
You say
“My knowledge of the scriptures can not be refuted,because there are no contradictions with scripture,the harmony is there.”
Really??
Nick.Realy,I am not just hot air.
The prophesies are there to be understood,the word revelation means to reveal; not to keep secret.
The little book was opened by the Lamb,to be revealed to the true seekers only.Dont assume that no one in this world is given the gift of prophesy,there is such a gift,so to say that no one can have the knowledge of prophesy is not true.
All the prophesies are there to be understood:
The world seems to have this idea that the prophsies are not to be understood,because of the symbols.Eph 1:17.That the God of our Lord Jesus christ,the father of glory,may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him.
You can have that knowledge too nick;if you seek with all your heart and in truth.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2012,08:31) Hi WU,
You claim to be a prophet who cannot be wrong?
Hi NickThe prophesies are all written. Nothing can be added or taken away. The gift of prophesy in the modern age is the gift of understanding prophesy. If you tell someone that Christ is coming soon, and that a new kingdom is coming, then you are prophesying, because you are revealing future. Your information was from God (the written word) and you have the Word in print to back up.
The prophets in the old testament were different. They had visions and God spoke straight through them. They had to ask for understanding, and it was revealed later to them. We prophesy what we already know. Prophesying now is basically just warning what's to come and keeping God's Word alive.
There will come a time when God will speak straight through us. We will be persecuted for not receiving the mark during the tribulation of the saints.
Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be preached among all nations
Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
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