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“The first was (1) like a lion, and (2) had eagle's wings:” (Dan 7:4)
Hi Devolution, it is you that needs to take a closer look; surely the bible explains the bible!
Here are two pieces of evidence, which support the idea that the lion represents Babylon.
(1) The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed
feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)(2) “There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation. 8 It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine. 9 Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof. 10 Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew. 11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 12 Say now to the rebellious house, Know ye not what these things mean? tell them, Behold, the king of Babylon is come to Jerusalem, and hath taken the king thereof, and the princes thereof, and led them with him to Babylon;” (Ezek 17:7-12)
So I repeat:
What evidence do you have to suggest the lion represents Media?
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgHi Devolution,
Georgie has now officially ran, will you run from our discussion as well?
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,12:42) “The first was (1) like a lion, and (2) had eagle's wings:” (Dan 7:4) Hi Devolution, it is you that needs to take a closer look; surely the bible explains the bible!
Here are two pieces of evidence, which support the idea that the lion represents Babylon.
(1) The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed
feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)(2) “There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation. 8 It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine. 9 Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof. 10 Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew. 11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 12 Say now to the rebellious house, Know ye not what these things mean? tell them, Behold, the king of Babylon is come to Jerusalem, and hath taken the king thereof, and the princes thereof, and led them with him to Babylon;” (Ezek 17:7-12)
So I repeat:
What evidence do you have to suggest the lion represents Media?
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
edQuote (1) The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed
feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)Jer 50:8 “Flee out of Babylon;
leave the land of the Babylonians,
and be like the goats that lead the flock.
Jer 50:9 For I will stir up and bring against Babylon
an alliance of great nations from the land of the north.
They will take up their positions against her,
and from the north she will be captured.Jer 50:14 “Take up your positions around Babylon,
all you who draw the bow.
Shoot at her! Spare no arrows,
for she has sinned against the LORD.how was that
Jer 50:18 Therefore this is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says:
“I will punish the king of Babylon and his land
as I punished the king of Assyria.was this not done after the seventy years
SO YOU HAVE NOT PRESENTED ANY EVIDENCE ONLY YOUR OPINIONS
(2) “There was also another great eagle with great wings;;
GREAT EAGLE HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH LIONS
So I repeat: edj;
What evidence do you have to NOT suggest THAT THE lion represents Media?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2012,06:12) Hi ED,
Perhaps they dislike your shouting and apparent personal infallibility?
PerhapsHi Pierre, I offer positive proof;
trying to disprove a negative DOES NOT
IN ANY WAY PROVE A POSITIVE; that's faulty logic!Three pieces of evidence (witnesses) are needed to establish a matter.
“At the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)1. Daniel Chapter Seven parallels Daniel Chapter two.
2. Babylon is represented like a lion. (Jeremiah 50:43-44)
3. Babylon is represented with eagle's wings. (Ezek 17:7-12)Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire,
that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be
clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear;
and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.What do you have? (trying to disprove a negative)
1. Pierre's opinion.
2. Georgie's opinion.
3. Devolution's opinion. …opinions are not evidence!Trying to disprove a negative IS NOT EVIDENCE EITHER!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,18:43) Hi Pierre, I offer positive proof;
trying to disprove a negative DOES NOT
IN ANY WAY PROVE A POSITIVE; that's faulty logic!Three pieces of evidence (witnesses) are needed to establish a matter.
“At the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)1. Daniel Chapter Seven parallels Daniel Chapter two.
2. Babylon is represented like a lion. (Jeremiah 50:43-44)
3. Babylon is represented with eagle's wings. (Ezek 17:7-12)Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire,
that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be
clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear;
and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.What do you have? (trying to disprove a negative)
1. Pierre's opinion.
2. Georgie's opinion.
3. Devolution's opinion. …opinions are not evidence!Trying to disprove a negative IS NOT EVIDENCE EITHER!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ed
you forgot EDDY J ,OPINION Hi Pierre,
My opinion based on what Scripture is saying.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi ED,
You think your opinions are better and others do not base theirs on scripture?
Why do you think yours are superior?Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,19:54) Hi Pierre, My opinion based on what Scripture is saying.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdAnswer my questions on my scriptures,
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2012,13:04) Hi ED,
You think your opinions are better and others do not base theirs on scripture?
Why do you think yours are superior?
Hi Nick,I did not say mine were 'superior'?
I said: mine are based on Scripture. Ask,
and I will point you to the specific verse; OK.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2012,15:17) Hi ED,
So nobody else bases their opinions on scripture like you do??
Hi Nick, HA Ha ha ha.That is not what I said, and you (my friend) have just proved my point!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,11:43) Hi Pierre, I offer positive proof;
trying to disprove a negative DOES NOT
IN ANY WAY PROVE A POSITIVE; that's faulty logic!Three pieces of evidence (witnesses) are needed to establish a matter.
“At the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)1. Daniel Chapter Seven parallels Daniel Chapter two.
2. Babylon is represented like a lion. (Jeremiah 50:43-44)
3. Babylon is represented with eagle's wings. (Ezek 17:7-12)Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire,
that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be
clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear;
and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.What do you have? (trying to disprove a negative)
1. Pierre's opinion.
2. Georgie's opinion.
3. Devolution's opinion. …opinions are not evidence!Trying to disprove a negative IS NOT EVIDENCE EITHER!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
In case you are wondering about what point, this point.Hi Nick, in more term…
Because my opinions “are” based on Scripture, DOES NOT MEAN theirs are not.
That would be the faulty logic I was referring to, that they were trying to use.
In case you have forgotten, they were attempting to use that same faulty logic to say…
Sinse we believe the lion of Daniel 7 is not Babylon, therefore it must be Media.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,15:35) Hi Nick, in more term… Because my opinions “are” based on Scripture, DOES NOT MEAN theirs are not.
That would be the faulty logic I was referring to, that they were trying to use.
In case you have forgotten, they were attempting to use that same faulty logic to say…
Sinse we believe the lion of Daniel 7 is not Babylon, therefore it must be Media.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
But they have provided ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE to suggest it is Media?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2012,15:36) Hi ED,
So you must be right on this matter?
Hi Nick,Here's some circular logic for you:
My conclusions are based on the evidence.
And the evidence suggests my conclusion are correct.
I'm certainly open to all the evidence, as my conclusions prove. …Ha Ha ha ha!!!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi ED.
You say
“And the evidence suggests my conclusion are correct.”
Are you quite unaware of your bias?Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2012,14:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2012,13:04) Hi ED,
You think your opinions are better and others do not base theirs on scripture?
Why do you think yours are superior?
Hi Nick,I did not say mine were 'superior'?
I said: mine are based on Scripture. Ask,
and I will point you to the specific verse; OK.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,Are you aware of this:
The Persian Empire is named after an Indo-European tribe called Parsua. The name Persia is a Latin pronunciation of the Indo-Iranian people Parsua who named their territorial borders Persis, after their tribal name, an area located north of the Persian Gulf and East of Tigris river referred to as Persis (or in Persian, Pars).[17]
Despite its success and rapid expansion, Achaemenid empire was not the first Iranian empire, as by sixth century BCE another group of ancient Iranic people had already established the Median Empire[/b].[17] The Medes had originally been the dominant Iranic group in the region, rising to power at the end of the 7th century BC and incorporating the Persians into their empire[/b].
And this:
At some point in 550 BCE, Cyrus the Great rose in rebellion against the Median empire (most likely due to the Medes' mismanagement of Persis), eventually conquering the Medes and creating the first Persian empire. Cyrus the Great would utilize his tactical genius,[20] as well as his understanding of the socio-political equations governing his territories, to eventually incorporate into the Persian empire the neighbouring Lydian and Neo-Babylonian empires, and also leading the way for his successor, Cambyses II to venture into Egypt and defeat the Hittite Empire and the Egyptian Kingdom.
Cyrus the Great would reflect his political acumen in the management of his newly formed empire, as the Persian empire became the first to attempt to govern many different ethnic groups, on the principle of equal responsibilities, and rights for all people, so long as subjects paid their taxes and kept the peace.
Can you see the biblical implications?
Cheers.
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