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Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2012,13:15) Hi Georgie, The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed feeble:
anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)God bless
Ed J
Hi Georgie,My post suggests the lion is indeed Babylon,
yet you did not even address this, though
you quoted it for some strange reason?Instead you just reiterated your belief
as if your belief constitutes as evidence, …which of course it does not.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Georgie, You still haven't answered any of my questions?
1) Why do you believe the lion is Medea?
2) Why do you think it would be important for the vision to represent
how many Persian Kings there were, but not how many Media kings there were?
Was it not the Media kings that issued both the order to rebuild Jerusalem and the temple? …this part is rhetorical3) Why you believe the fourth Persian king stirred Greece to attack?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 18 2012,18:04) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2012,13:15) Hi Georgie, The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed feeble:
anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)God bless
Ed J
Hi Georgie,My post suggests the lion is indeed Babylon,
yet you did not even address this, though
you quoted it for some strange reason?Instead you just reiterated your belief
as if your belief constitutes as evidence, …which of course it does not.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed,The term lion is used all over the bible. It depicts power. A lion is the king of the jungle, ruler.
Numbers 23:24 Behold, the people shall rise up as a great lion, and lift up himself as a young lion: he shall not lie down until he eat of the prey, and drink the blood of the slain.
Numbers 24:9 He couched, he lay down as a lion, and as a great lion: who shall stir him up? Blessed is he that blesseth thee, and cursed is he that curseth thee.
Deuteronomy 33:20 And of Gad he said, Blessed be he that enlargeth Gad: he dwelleth as a lion, and teareth the arm with the crown of the head.
2 Samuel 1:23 Saul and Jonathan were lovely and pleasant in their lives, and in their death they were not divided: they were swifter than eagles, they were stronger than lions.
Proverbs 19:12 The king's wrath is as the roaring of a lion; but his favour is as dew upon the grass.
Proverbs 30:30 A lion which is strongest among beasts, and turneth not away for any;
Isaiah 5:29 Their roaring shall be like a lion, they shall roar like young lions: yea, they shall roar, and lay hold of the prey, and shall carry it away safe, and none shall deliver it.
Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2012,18:05) 3) Why you believe the fourth Persian king stirred Greece to attack? God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi EdQuote 1) Why do you believe the lion is Medea?
Read my reply, I already explained.Quote 2) Why do you think it would be important for the vision to represent
how many Persian Kings there were, but not how many Media kings there were?
Because Darius the Mede was ruling, when Cyrus of Persia joined him. Mentioning the fourth king of Persia gives Daniel more detail of the time frame when this kingdom will endQuote Was it not the Media kings that issued both the order to rebuild Jerusalem and the temple? …this part is rhetorical[/b]
The Media King -Darius, not kings. This man made the decree, and Cyrus gave the orderI don't think I can help you any more than this Ed. You are being blocked for the time being, for reasons only God knows.
Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2012,18:05) Hi Georgie, You still haven't answered any of my questions? 1) Why do you believe the lion is Medea?
2) Why do you think it would be important for the vision to represent
how many Persian Kings there were, but not how many Media kings there were?
Was it not the Media kings that issued both the order to rebuild Jerusalem and the temple? …this part is rhetorical3) Why you believe the fourth Persian king stirred Greece to attack?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,It's good to see that Pierre & J42 can see this too. And if they can see it, others out there must too.
Quote 1) Why do you believe the lion is Medea? Daniel 7 is speaking of kings. Darius the Mede was the next king that arose after the prophetic vision and conquered Babylon Ed. Looks like three of us have already told you this Ed! No matter how many times you ask the same question, you will still get the same answer. Here, it is answered again for you…if you ask again Ed, i shall be worried about your state of mind…lol…just joking with you Ed.
Quote 2) Why do you think it would be important for the vision to represent how many Persian Kings there were, but not how many Media kings there were? Because God only concentrates on the ones that play a leading role in His plan…otherwise we'd have a bible so big we'd need a forklift just to lift it. The significance of counting the Persian kings gave not only Daniel a precise understanding, but us also.
Quote 3) Why you believe the fourth Persian king stirred Greece to attack? Ed, i am surprised you have asked this question?
I question whether you should even be debating with me or J42 or Pierre on this subject if you need ask such a question?
Why do “we” believe this? Well simply because scripture says it plainly in 11:2
???Daniel 11:2
And now i will shew you the truth. Behold, there will stand up yet three kings in Persia, and the fourth shall be far richer than they all, and by his strength through his riches, HE SHALL stir up all against the realm of GreciaSo you see Ed….we are not saying this, scripture is…and quite plainly at that.
Cheers Ed.
Hi Georgie,
I have offered the fact that Daniel Chapter 7 parallels Daniel Chapter 2
combined with the fact that Jeremiah specifically says Babylon is like a lion.
And all I have seen you do is seek to discredit the very proof I have offered.All you offer is your opinion, saying and I quote: 'makes no sense for the lion to be babylon'.
And you have offered absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Media is.Since I don't jump right out and embrace your OPINIONS, you get discouraged and proclaim: 'I don't think I can help you any more than this Ed'
Do you think your opinions of Scripture are needed for others to understand what God is telling his believers? is this the only help that you offer?But what saith the Scriptures:
“Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD” (Isaiah 1:18)
And
“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” (1 Thess 5:21)So what may we conclude?
1) You offer no proof to believe as you do.
2) And you are no longer willing to reason together.If this is your way, then your way stinks!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Devolution @ June 18 2012,21:58) Hi Ed, Quote 1) Why do you believe the lion is Medea? Daniel 7 is speaking of kings. Darius the Mede was the next king that arose after the prophetic vision and conquered Babylon Ed. Looks like three of us have already told you this Ed! No matter how many times you ask the same question, you will still get the same answer. Here, it is answered again for you…if you ask again Ed, i shall be worried about your state of mind…lol…just joking with you Ed.
Cheers Ed.
Hi Devolution,Still no answer huh?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Devolution @ June 18 2012,21:58) Hi Ed, Quote 2) Why do you think it would be important for the vision to represent how many Persian Kings there were, but not how many Media kings there were? Because God only concentrates on the ones that play a leading role in His plan…otherwise we'd have a bible so big we'd need a forklift just to lift it. The significance of counting the Persian kings gave not only Daniel a precise understanding, but us also.
Cheers Ed.
Hi Devolution,“it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it:
and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.” (Dan 7:5)
Are you suggesting the fourth King devoured the first three kings?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Devolution @ June 18 2012,21:58) Hi Ed, Quote 3) Why you believe the fourth Persian king stirred Greece to attack? Ed, i am surprised you have asked this question?
I question whether you should even be debating with me or J42 or Pierre on this subject if you need ask such a question?
Why do “we” believe this? Well simply because scripture says it plainly in 11:2???Daniel 11:2
And now i will shew you the truth. Behold, there will stand up yet three kings in Persia, and the fourth shall be far richer than they all, and by his strength through his riches, HE SHALL stir up all against the realm of GreciaSo you see Ed….we are not saying this, scripture is…and quite plainly at that.
Cheers Ed.
Hi Devolution,It's nice to get an answer once in a while!
I do not consider discussing the Scriptures a debate.
If you do, then we should be worried about your state of mind.Cheers,
Ed JHi ed,
You say“And all I have seen you do is seek to discredit the very proof I have offered”
and
“Do you think your opinions of Scripture are needed for others to understand what God is telling his believers?”Why would anyone want to dialogue with you when you have such a high view of your words and such a low view of the words of others?
Hi Ed,
You admire your logic and the views of others are only opinion?“And this post explains your flawed logic.”
” That is merely opinion.”
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2012,06:23) Hi ed,
You say“And all I have seen you do is seek to discredit the very proof I have offered”
and
“Do you think your opinions of Scripture are needed for others to understand what God is telling his believers?”Why would anyone want to dialogue with you when you have such a high view of your words and such a low view of the words of others?
Hi Nick,Given ones insight into Scriptures as a whole
is the necessary dialog to foster spiritual growth.
Beating down ones explanations of individual verses
because you don't agree is the opinions that I mention.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2012,06:26) Hi Ed,
You admire your logic and the views of others are only opinion?“And this post explains your flawed logic.”
” That is merely opinion.”
Hi Nick,Do you agree with the logic that attempting to discount one idea establishes another?
Because I can give even more examples to show that this type of logic is indeed flawed.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi ED,
Logic has never been the basis of truth.
Scripture is.So finding the logic of others as always being flawed is not that useful.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2012,14:11) Hi ED,
Logic has never been the basis of truth.
Scripture is.So finding the logic of others as always being flawed is not that useful.
edjlogic;
a (1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoningthis is good as far as you know the all true picture of what their is to deal with ,assume you only have a part of a picture or understanding ,would it be not reflected in you description of that picture or reasonning
of cause it would because what you do not see or know you will assume that it is this or that way ,NOW YOUR REASONING FOR ;BABYLONE NOT BEING THE LION ,GOES BECAUSE BABYLONE HIS NOT ONE OF THE BEAST THAT RIZES OUT OF THE SEA ;
YOUR UNDERSTANDING ABOUT ;PENTACOST BEING THE SECOND RETURN OF CHRIST HAS THE SAME FLAWS ;
AND YOU LOGIC CONCEPT OF TRY TO CONVINCE OTHERS THAT THE WORD OF GOD IN JOHN1;1 HIS THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ALSO FLAW TO SCRIPTURES ,BUT WOULD YOU ACCEPTED
NO,YOU ARE SO CONVICED IN YOUR ERRORS THAT YOU HAVE TO STAND IN THEM ALONE OUTSIDE OF SCRIPTURES.Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2012,09:10) edj logic;
a (1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoningthis is good as far as you know the all true picture of what their is to deal with ,assume you only have a part of a picture or understanding ,would it be not reflected in you description of that picture or reasonning
of cause it would because what you do not see or know you will assume that it is this or that way ,
Hi Pierre,This is great wisdom here, it's too bad the rest of your post is 'squag'!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 19 2012,16:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2012,09:10) edj logic;
a (1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoningthis is good as far as you know the all true picture of what their is to deal with ,assume you only have a part of a picture or understanding ,would it be not reflected in you description of that picture or reasonning
of cause it would because what you do not see or know you will assume that it is this or that way ,
Hi Pierre,This is great wisdom here, it's too bad the rest of your post is 'squag'!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2012,18:04) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2012,13:15) Hi Georgie, The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed feeble:
anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)God bless
Ed J
Hi Georgie,My post suggests the lion is indeed Babylon,
yet you did not even address this, though
you quoted it for some strange reason?Instead you just reiterated your belief
as if your belief constitutes as evidence, …which of course it does not.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi EdI am not always on line. It takes time to go over and over and over the same thing. I explained the word lion is used much and later gave an example. I hope you saw it.
Common sense is not an opinion. If you told me you had 2 daughters, then I would assume that they were female and the second one younger than the first? So if we are in the babylon empire and theres a prophesy about new kings arising, then wouldn't it make sense a new king is coming (for them)?
We have history also to back up and that the prophesy was accurate for them back then and fulfilled for us now. We have more understanding now because it is past and happened.
We havn't even got to the fourth beast yet. Boy oh boy. Can't move on see? I can't help. You are stuck. Maybe Devolution can have more luck as he explains better than I. Pierre is understanding also, but you have your books to protect and can't turn back.j42
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The beast in dan.7:4.who was this beast?
Can anyone tell me.The first was like a lion, and had eagels wings: and I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made to stand upon the feet as a man,and a mans heart given to it. ??
wakeup.
The Babylonian empire, Nebuchadnezzar.
georg
look what it says ;
Da 7:17 ‘The four great beasts are four kingdoms that will rise from the earth.
Da 7:18 But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever—yes, for ever and ever.’it says FOUR KINGDOM THAT WILL RISE FROM THE EARTH ,
WAS NOT BABYLON ALREADY THERE ALMOST 70 YEARS ?AND ALSO IT SAYS THAT THEY WILL RISE ;HOW COULD bABYLON RISING AGAIN————–
Hi Georgie,
The term 'new kings arising' is not used anywhere in Daniel chapter 7.
Are you still not able to see the parallel between Daniel Chapter 2 and Chapter 7?Head of gold: Babylon …Lion (Daniel 7:4)
Arms of silver: Medo-Persians …Bear (Daniel 7:5)
Thighs of brass: Greece …Leopard (Daniel 7:6)
Plus the term 'like a lion' is specifically used by
Jeremiah the Prophet concerning the king of Babylon.This actually is evidence, along with the parallel of Chapter 2. …why is this so difficult for you to grasp?
If you are going to substitute the facts of fulfilled Prophecy for your opinions, how can you possibility
hope to convince others that you are right about your private interpretations of future Prophecy?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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