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  • #303861
    Wakeup
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2012,07:49)
    Hi T,
    The Spirit of God does not live in those yet to be reborn.


    Nick.

    What do you mean by being reborn?

    wakeup.

    #303863
    journey42
    Participant

    Hi Ed

    Are you getting the gist of yet
    Babylon FUTURE is What Jeremiah chapter 50 is prophesying.
    BABYLON the GREAT will be utterly punished and cut off forever.
    FUTURE

    Jeremiah 50:39   Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell there, and the owls shall dwell therein: and it shall be no more inhabited forever neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation
    Q. If babylon is to be utterly destroyed, and no man would dwell in her anymore, then why are there animals still there?

    Rev 19:17   And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together, unto the supper of the great God.

    Rev 19:18   That ye may EAT THE FLESH of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
    All the cities of the world will be ruinous heaps.  After the great earthquake, the cities will be existing of only rubble and carcasses, providing a supper for the animals to feast on for many years. There will be survivors, but they will start anew outside of the ruinous cities.  The cities will not be cleaned up, but left there as a reminder of the Lords power.

    Jer 50:40   As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the Lord; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein.

    Jer 50:41   Behold, a people shall come from the NORTH, and a great nation, and many kings shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth

    Jer 50:42   They shall hold the bow and the lance: they are cruel, and will not show mercy: their voice shall roar like the sea, and they shall ride upon horses, every one put in array, like a man to the battle, against thee, O DAUGHTER of BABYLON

    Jer 50:43    The KING of BABYLON has heard the report of them, and his hands waxed feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail.

    This Babylon the great, FUTURE, will have a king ruling over her also.  Why is he suddenly scared, and angry? Who is the only one that can make such a powerful king feel this way?

    Jer 50:44   Behold, he shall come up like a LION from the swelling of Jordon unto the habitation of the strong but I will make THEM suddenly run away from HER and who is a chosen man, that I may appoint over HER and who is that shepherd that will stand before ME?

    HE = The LION  – FUTURE king of BABYLON, not old king past
    SHE = ZION
    SHEPHERD STANDING BEFORE GOD = CHRIST
    THIS REFERS TO BABYLONS END. BABYLON THE GREAT When Christ comes with his saints.

    DAUGHTER of BABYLON not original Babylon

    Jer 50:46   At the noise of the taking of BABYLON the EARTH is MOVED, and the CRY is HEARD among the NATIONS

    END OF THIS DEBATE:
    CONCLUSION: JEREMIAH 50 VERSE 44 – THE LION IS DESCRIBING LAST KING OF BABYLON, BABYLON THE GREAT, AND NOT A DESCRIPTION OF BABYLON PAST.
    so cannot be used as evidence and proof to what you are insinuating.
    I hope you can see this Ed
    The scriptures themselves are interpreting the timing of this event, not me.
    Many are missing these valuable prophesies, because they keep thinking it's past and put it to rest.
    However, I enjoyed this study and I thank you for challenging me for it was edifying and I learn't more on the spot as I delved into it and tested those verses.

    I will move to your next question now.

    #303866
    Ed J
    Participant

    “The first was (1) like a lion, and (2) had eagle's wings:” (Dan 7:4)


    (1) The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed
    feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
    he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)  

    (2) “There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation. 8 It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine. 9 Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof. 10 Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew. 11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 12 Say now to the rebellious house, Know ye not what these things mean? tell them, Behold, the king of Babylon is come to Jerusalem, and hath taken the king thereof, and the princes thereof, and led them with him to Babylon;” (Ezek 17:7-12)


    You mean the “eagle's wings” part.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #303867
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2012,21:31)
    “The first was (1) like a lion, and (2) had eagle's wings:” (Dan 7:4)


    (1) The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed
    feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
    he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)  

    (2) “There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation. 8 It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine. 9 Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof. 10 Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew. 11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 12 Say now to the rebellious house, Know ye not what these things mean? tell them, Behold, the king of Babylon is come to Jerusalem, and hath taken the king thereof, and the princes thereof, and led them with him to Babylon;” (Ezek 17:7-12)


    You mean the “eagle's wings” part.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    you like to irritate people,right???

    always using the same questions over and over, :D :D

    never learn a thing :p :ghostface:

    #303882
    journey42
    Participant

    Hi Ed

    Ezek 17:2   Son of man, fut forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the HOUSE OF ISRAEL

    Ezek 17:3   And say, Thus saith the Lord God; A great eagle with great wings, longwinded, full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:
    This is Nebuchadnezzar.
    He is described as an eagle because an eagle nests high. An eagle is also a scavenger and has a sharp eye. Did this king go into Lebanon?  Lebanon has the highest cedar trees.  These tall trees represent the “high ones” the proud, those with all the power, authority and riches.  King Neb was one of these who took this position and nested on high.

    Ezek 17:7   There was also ANOTHER great eagle with GREAT WINGS, and ,many feathers: and , behold, this vine did ben her roots ward him, and shot forth her  branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation.

    We have two eagles here.  
    Eagle is another description word.  One eagle represents Neb of Babylon, and the other eagle represents Egypt.
    TWO EAGLES, and one of them does represent Neb, so this is talking about past babylon, and doesn't prove that the first beast in Daniel ch7 is Babylon, because of the eagle description, as another is described as an eagle also right next to it.

    There, I have answered this question.

    #303883
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Georgie, great!

    Now tell me why the bear lifts itself up on one side, if this
    is not suppose to mean that Persia was stronger than Media?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #303884
    Devolution
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ June 24 2012,13:04)
    Hi Ed

    Are you getting the gist of yet
    Babylon FUTURE is What Jeremiah chapter 50 is prophesying.
    BABYLON the GREAT will be utterly punished and cut off forever.
    FUTURE

    Jeremiah 50:39   Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell there, and the owls shall dwell therein: and it shall be no more inhabited forever neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation
    Q. If babylon is to be utterly destroyed, and no man would dwell in her anymore, then why are there animals still there?

    Rev 19:17   And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together, unto the supper of the great God.

    Rev 19:18   That ye may EAT THE FLESH of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
    All the cities of the world will be ruinous heaps.  After the great earthquake, the cities will be existing of only rubble and carcasses, providing a supper for the animals to feast on for many years. There will be survivors, but they will start anew outside of the ruinous cities.  The cities will not be cleaned up, but left there as a reminder of the Lords power.

    Jer 50:40   As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the Lord; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein.

    Jer 50:41   Behold, a people shall come from the NORTH, and a great nation, and many kings shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth

    Jer 50:42   They shall hold the bow and the lance: they are cruel, and will not show mercy: their voice shall roar like the sea, and they shall ride upon horses, every one put in array, like a man to the battle, against thee, O DAUGHTER of BABYLON

    Jer 50:43    The KING of BABYLON has heard the report of them, and his hands waxed feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail.

    This Babylon the great, FUTURE, will have a king ruling over her also.  Why is he suddenly scared, and angry? Who is the only one that can make such a powerful king feel this way?

    Jer 50:44   Behold, he shall come up like a LION from the swelling of Jordon unto the habitation of the strong but I will make THEM suddenly run away from HER and who is a chosen man, that I may appoint over HER and who is that shepherd that will stand before ME?

    HE = The LION  – FUTURE king of BABYLON, not old king past
    SHE = ZION
    SHEPHERD STANDING BEFORE GOD = CHRIST
    THIS REFERS TO BABYLONS END. BABYLON THE GREAT When Christ comes with his saints.

    DAUGHTER of BABYLON not original Babylon

    Jer 50:46   At the noise of the taking of BABYLON the EARTH is MOVED, and the CRY is HEARD among the NATIONS

    END OF THIS DEBATE:
    CONCLUSION: JEREMIAH 50 VERSE 44 – THE LION IS DESCRIBING LAST KING OF BABYLON, BABYLON THE GREAT, AND NOT A DESCRIPTION OF BABYLON PAST.
    so cannot be used as evidence and proof to what you are insinuating.
    I hope you can see this Ed
    The scriptures themselves are interpreting the timing of this event, not me.
    Many are missing these valuable prophesies, because they keep thinking it's past and put it to rest.
    However, I enjoyed this study and I thank you for challenging me for it was edifying and I learn't more on the spot as I delved into it and tested those verses.

    I will move to your next question now.


    Thanks J42,

    I shouldv'e just laid it all out like you did straight up!

    Ed,

    In case you still disagree about the duality of those prophecies, look:

    (still speaking of Babylon)
    Jeremiah 51:26
       And they shall not take out of thee a stone for a corner, nor a stone for foundations; but thou shall be desolate forever, saith the Lord.

    Looks like God is speaking about old Babylon doesn't it!
    But He isn't, He is speaking of the whole world..Babylon the Greats cities that represent mans dominion….THEY will never be rebuilt…neither will the bricks etc in those ruins be used ever ever again for ANYTHING.

    Look into the old Babylon ruins.
    The Iraqi heritage board has complained about the lack of respect for the cities ruins because not only in the past..but even still now…people have been taking bricks, stones etc for building and for foundations undermining the remaining structures! Also, Saddam rebfurbished a temple in the ruined city after his own glory, also renovating other structures, and even the US troops have been building there! But God said that this would never happen…so was God powerless to stop all that?
    Because otherwise, His promise was defeated by men!…
    Or is it because He is speaking of a future Babylon…Babylon the Great?
    Well i believe God is not powerless, and that His word always stands…therefore, this must be future concerning worldwide ruins that will never be reused again…worldwide ruins of Babylon the Great after the fall of mans rule over the world.
    May the Lord come quickly!!

    Cheers.

    #303885
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote
    Ed,

    In case you still disagree about the duality of those prophecies…

    Cheers.

    Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2012,14:31)
    “The first was (1) like a lion, and (2) had eagle's wings:” (Dan 7:4)


    (1) The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed
    feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
    he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)  

    (2) “There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation. 8 It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine. 9 Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof. 10 Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew. 11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 12 Say now to the rebellious house, Know ye not what these things mean? tell them, Behold, the king of Babylon is come to Jerusalem, and hath taken the king thereof, and the princes thereof, and led them with him to Babylon;” (Ezek 17:7-12)


    Hi Devolution,

    You mean this duality?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #303886
    Devolution
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2012,17:24)

    Quote
    Ed,

    In case you still disagree about the duality of those prophecies…

    Cheers.

    Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2012,14:31)
    “The first was (1) like a lion, and (2) had eagle's wings:” (Dan 7:4)


    (1) The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed
    feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. Behold,
    he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan” (Jer 50:43-44)  

    (2) “There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation. 8 It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine. 9 Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof. 10 Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew. 11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 12 Say now to the rebellious house, Know ye not what these things mean? tell them, Behold, the king of Babylon is come to Jerusalem, and hath taken the king thereof, and the princes thereof, and led them with him to Babylon;” (Ezek 17:7-12)


    Hi Devolution,

    You mean this duality?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    LOL!!

    Okay Ed…

    Enjoy the rest of your evening and cheers for the discussion, i agree that we disagree and will leave it be for now.

    Cheers.

    #303887
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Devolution, one more point…

    Tell me why the bear lifts itself up on one side, if it is not
    suppose to mean that Persia was stronger than Media?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #303903
    Devolution
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2012,17:44)
    Hi Devolution, one more point…

    Tell me why the bear lifts itself up on one side, if it is not
    suppose to mean that Persia was stronger than Media?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Ed,

    Yes that is one meaning.

    So i answered you on that…but that doesn't cover the Median kings though does it. Remember, God said Media and Persia kings (the Ram with 2 horns).

    BTW, you still haven't answered which king was to arise after Belshazzar…

    Anyway,i do have another question for you Ed, when you say that Turkey (Ottoman empire) is being reborn (healed), wouldn't that then mean that that empire represents Babylon the Great correct?

    After all, this is who the beast with 7 heads stands for….

    Please answer so we can establish that that is exactly what you mean…

    Cheers.

    #303910
    Devolution
    Participant

    Quote (Devolution @ June 25 2012,04:19)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2012,17:44)
    Hi Devolution, one more point…

    Tell me why the bear lifts itself up on one side, if it is not
    suppose to mean that Persia was stronger than Media?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Ed,

    Yes that is one meaning.

    So i answered you on that…but that doesn't cover the Median kings though does it. Remember, God said Media and Persia kings (the Ram with 2 horns).

    BTW, you still haven't answered which king was to arise after Belshazzar…

    Anyway,i do have another question for you Ed, when you say that Turkey (Ottoman empire) is being reborn (healed), wouldn't that then mean that that empire represents Babylon the Great correct?

    After all, this is who the beast with 7 heads stands for….

    Please answer so we can establish that that is exactly what you mean…

    Cheers.


    PS, Ed,

    Quote
    After all, this is who the beast with 7 heads stands for….

    Please, No need to debate this statement Ed, im just generalizing concerning the 7 heads/empires on that beast…which are representing the 7 main empires of Babylon the Great…just saying so we don't get sidetracked.

    Again…in your interpretation, the Ottoman empire must represent Babylon the great also correct?

    Cheers.

    #304099
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Devolution @ June 25 2012,05:04)
    Please, No need to debate this statement Ed, im just generalizing concerning the 7 heads/empires on that beast…which are representing the 7 main empires of Babylon the Great…just saying so we don't get sidetracked.

    Again…in your interpretation, the Ottoman empire must represent Babylon the great also correct?

    Cheers.


    Hi Wakeup

    To understand prophecy you should compare the statue of Daniel 2 with the four beasts of Daniel 7.


    Rev 17:8 “the beast that was(Rev.13:1-3), and is not(Rev.12:3), and yet is(Rev.17:3).”


    Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:
    and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from
    the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


    To understand the 'spirit of antichrist we must look at the beast of Rev.13:1-3 in historical context…


    Rev.13:1-2 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea (of people: Rev.17:15),
    having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
    And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the
    mouth of a lion (1Pt.5:8): and the dragon (Revelation 12:3) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

                                         Head 1: Egypt  -one head -one horn -one crown

                                         Head 2: Assyrian -one head -one horn -one crown

    Head of gold:                Head 3: Babylon -one head -one horn -one crown                           …Lion (Daniel 7:4)

    Arms of silver:               Head 4: Medo-Persians -one head -one horn -one crown               …Bear (Daniel 7:5)

    Thighs of brass:            Head 5: Greeks -one head -four horns -four crowns                   …Leopard (Daniel 7:6)

    Feet of iron & clay:        Head 6: Roman -one head -one horn -one crown                             …ten horns (Daniel 7:7-8)    

                                         Head 7: Ottoman -one head -one horn -one crown

                                                  Then it suffered a deadly wound:


                                           Muhammad did not have a world empire,
                                           but Mahammudin-islam is a resurgence of
                                           the beast with the deadly wound. (Rev.13:3)

    Muhammadin islam is the eithth and of the seventh: and this whole world system is going to go into perdition.
    All of those countries are islamic now. You need to read Psalm Chapter 83 to better understand this. (Rev.17:11)


    First this leopard beast looses “-THREE CROWNS” and the camouflage spots exposing it as the great red dragon of Rev.12:3:

                       Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven;
                 and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and
                 ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.


                                                              The quran prophecy

                                       The beast: Rev.13:11(Muhammad), causeth all to worship
                                       the first beast before him: Rev.13:1-3(the leopard beast)

    Rev 13:13-14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
    And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
    saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
                       


    Next this great red dragon looses “-THE REST OF THE CROWNS” and the spirit of antichrist's plan of world conquest is fully exposed:

                   Revelation 17:3 “I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
              full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”

           islam is the kingdom of the antichrist! (Link)


    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #304100
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Devolution,

    The harlot riding on this seven headed dragon beast is Mystery Babylon. (Rev.Ch.17)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #304101
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Devolution @ June 25 2012,04:19)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2012,17:44)
    Hi Devolution, one more point…

    Tell me why the bear lifts itself up on one side, if it is not
    suppose to mean that Persia was stronger than Media?

    God bless
    Ed J


    Hi Ed,

    Yes that is one meaning.

    So i answered you on that…but that doesn't cover the Median kings though does it. Remember, God said Media and Persia kings (the Ram with 2 horns).

    BTW, you still haven't answered which king was to arise after Belshazzar…

    Anyway,i do have another question for you Ed, when you say that Turkey (Ottoman empire) is being reborn (healed), wouldn't that then mean that that empire represents Babylon the Great correct?

    After all, this is who the beast with 7 heads stands for….

    Please answer so we can establish that that is exactly what you mean…

    Cheers.


    Devolution,

    That should indeed be the next thing to discuss concerning fulfilled prophecy.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #304103
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2012,22:45)

    Quote (Devolution @ June 25 2012,05:04)
    Please, No need to debate this statement Ed, im just generalizing concerning the 7 heads/empires on that beast…which are representing the 7 main empires of Babylon the Great…just saying so we don't get sidetracked.

    Again…in your interpretation, the Ottoman empire must represent Babylon the great also correct?

    Cheers.


    Hi Wakeup

    To understand prophecy you should compare the statue of Daniel 2 with the four beasts of Daniel 7.


    Rev 17:8 “the beast that was(Rev.13:1-3), and is not(Rev.12:3), and yet is(Rev.17:3).”


    Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:
    and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from
    the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


    To understand the 'spirit of antichrist we must look at the beast of Rev.13:1-3 in historical context…


    Rev.13:1-2 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea (of people: Rev.17:15),
    having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
    And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the
    mouth of a lion (1Pt.5:8): and the dragon (Revelation 12:3) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

                                         Head 1: Egypt  -one head -one horn -one crown

                                         Head 2: Assyrian -one head -one horn -one crown

    Head of gold:                Head 3: Babylon -one head -one horn -one crown                           …Lion (Daniel 7:4)

    Arms of silver:               Head 4: Medo-Persians -one head -one horn -one crown               …Bear (Daniel 7:5)

    Thighs of brass:            Head 5: Greeks -one head -four horns -four crowns                   …Leopard (Daniel 7:6)

    Feet of iron & clay:        Head 6: Roman -one head -one horn -one crown                             …ten horns (Daniel 7:7-8)    

                                         Head 7: Ottoman -one head -one horn -one crown

                                                  Then it suffered a deadly wound:


                                           Muhammad did not have a world empire,
                                           but Mahammudin-islam is a resurgence of
                                           the beast with the deadly wound. (Rev.13:3)

    Muhammadin islam is the eithth and of the seventh: and this whole world system is going to go into perdition.
    All of those countries are islamic now. You need to read Psalm Chapter 83 to better understand this. (Rev.17:11)


    First this leopard beast looses “-THREE CROWNS” and the camouflage spots exposing it as the great red dragon of Rev.12:3:

                       Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven;
                 and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and
                 ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.


                                                              The quran prophecy

                                       The beast: Rev.13:11(Muhammad), causeth all to worship
                                       the first beast before him: Rev.13:1-3(the leopard beast)

    Rev 13:13-14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
    And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
    saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
                       


    Next this great red dragon looses “-THE REST OF THE CROWNS” and the spirit of antichrist's plan of world conquest is fully exposed:

                   Revelation 17:3 “I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
              full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”

           islam is the kingdom of the antichrist! (Link)


    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi EdJ.

    Daniel ch.2.Is clearly explained by Daniel:
    This dream is starting with babylon(NEB.) down to the end kingdom. THE 7HEADS IN REVELATION IS STARTING FROM EGYPT.(egypt,asyria,babylon,medo/persia,grecia,rome,END TIME ROMETHE 7TH;NOW;TODAY: The 8th is coming out of this one today.(WILL BE 10KINGS).
    ————————————–
    ———————————————–
    STARTING FROM BABYLON TO THE END:
    The head (gold)is KING NEB.(Daniel was there explaining it to the king).

    The CHEST (silver)AND 2 ARMS is MEDO/PERSIA.

    The belly(brass) is GREECE.(alexander).

    The 2 LEGS(iron) is the(east–west) ROMAN EMPIRE.(now history).

    The 2FEET is THE END TIME ROMAN EMPIRE,a mixed nation(iron and clay).this is todays roman empire,THIS WAS WOUNDED IN THE 2ND WW, BUT SURVIVED AND IS STRONG.
    IS IN CHARGE TODAY.This is also the 7th. head:counting from the first head which was egypt.

    The 10 TOES (also mixed)IS THE –COMING– 10 KING EMPIRE,AN OFF SHOOT OF THE 2 FEET(an off shoot of the 7th) MATERIALISE,SOLIDIFY.

    The evil man will soon show up as soon the 10 kings has become ONE Mighty POWER.
    HE WILL LEAD AND UPROOT 3 KINGS(leaders).

    HE AND HIS KINGDOM WILL BE CAST INTO THE FIRE.At the coming.

    wakeup.

    #304111
    Devolution
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2012,22:46)
    Hi Devolution,

    The harlot riding on this seven headed dragon beast is Mystery Babylon. (Rev.Ch.17)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Ed,

    Yes, true, but that explanation does not cover the whole definition of the harlot…

    That is why she is a mystery.

    Revelation 17:18
    And the woman which thou saw is that great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.

    Gods “city” is Zion.
    Satans “city” is Babylon the great…
    Lets leave the whore for now Ed…

    Ed, God calls this world empire of Satans Babylon the great. Every one of those 7 world empires are part of Babylon the great, and are representatives of Babylon the great during their reigns.

    They (7 heads) are empires of Babylon the great.

    That being the case, then this Ottoman empire you are calling the wounded head, must also be representing Babylon the great concerning the explanation above.

    Correct?
    A simple yes or no will do please Ed.

    #304113
    terraricca
    Participant

    devo and edj

    Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:
    and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from
    the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

    why would this beast come out a pit rather than the sea or eath ???? why was this particular beast was scarlet in color ???

    and more ;why his this beast is part of the final judgment ???

    the scarlet beast and the harlot are representation of different things,so his the great city could it be the city were our lord died ???

    this has to be answered first to understand ,to me any way

    #304118
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Pierre,

    For you to ask those questions means you did not understand my post.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #304119
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Devolution @ June 26 2012,04:06)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2012,22:46)
    Hi Devolution,

    The harlot riding on this seven headed dragon beast is Mystery Babylon. (Rev.Ch.17)

    God bless
    Ed J


    Hi Ed,

    Yes, true, but that explanation does not cover the whole definition of the harlot…

    That is why she is a mystery.

    Revelation 17:18
       And the woman which thou saw is that great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.

    Gods “city” is Zion.
    Satans “city” is Babylon the great…
    Lets leave the whore for now Ed…

    Ed, God calls this world empire of Satans Babylon the great. Every one of those 7 world empires are part of Babylon the great, and are representatives of Babylon the great during their reigns.

    They (7 heads) are empires of Babylon the great.

    That being the case, then this Ottoman empire you are calling the wounded head, must also be representing Babylon the great concerning the explanation above.

    Correct?
    A simple yes or no will do please Ed.


    Hi Devolution, there is no simple answer to confusion; explanations are in order to remove confusion.
    Ottoman empire is the head that suffered a deadly wound; the wound was healed by Muhammadin islam.
    Muhammadin islam is the eithth and of the seventh: and this whole world system is going to go into perdition.
    All of those countries are islamic now. You need to read Psalm Chapter 83 to better understand this. (Rev.17:11)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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