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Four Beasts:
Daniel 7:1
In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed, then he wrote the dream and told the sum of it.Daniel 7:3
And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.Daniel 7:17
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.Daniel 7:4
The first was like a lion, and had eagles wings; I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a mans heart was given to it.Daniel 7:5
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it, and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.Daniel 7:17
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.Daniel 8:1
In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, AFTER THAT WHICH APPEARED UNTO ME AT THE FIRSTDaniel 8:3
Then i lifted up my eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns, and the two horns were high, but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.Daniel 8:20
The ram which thou saw having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.Daniel 7:4
The first was like a lion, and had eagles wings; I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a mans heart was given to it.Daniel 7:5
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it, and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.Daniel 7:1
In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed, then he wrote the dream and told the sum of it.Daniel 8:1
In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, AFTER THAT WHICH APPEARED UNTO ME AT THE FIRSTDaniel 8:21
And the rough goat is the king of GRECIA; and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.Daniel 8:22
Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.Daniel 7:6
After this i beheld, and lo, another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl, the beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it.Daniel 7:1
In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed, then he wrote the dream and told the sum of it.Daniel 7:3
And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.Daniel 7:17
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.Daniel 8:1
In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, AFTER THAT WHICH APPEARED UNTO ME AT THE FIRSTDaniel 8:3
Then i lifted up my eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns, and the two horns were high, but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.Daniel 8:20
The ram which thou saw having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.Daniel 8:21
And the rough goat is the king of GRECIA; and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.Daniel 8:22
Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.FIRST VISION IS OF FOUR BEASTS, NO NATIONALITIES MENTIONED:
Daniel 8:1
In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, AFTER THAT WHICH APPEARED UNTO ME AT THE FIRSTAFTER/CONCERNING/FOLLOWING THAT FIRST VISION OF THE FOUR BEASTS….THE VISION CONTINUES…
Daniel 8:1
In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, AFTER THAT WHICH APPEARED UNTO ME AT THE FIRSTAND AFTER THE FIRST VISION COMES THE SECOND VISION:
SECOND VISION IS EXTENSION OF FIRST VISION OF KINGS AND THEIR EMPIRES, 3 KINGS NATIONALITIES ARE NOW REVEALED TO DANIEL
BEAST #1 – LION- MEDIAN KING
BEAST #2 -BEAR- PERSIAN KING
BEAST #3 -LEOPARD- GRECIAN KING >> FOUR GENERALS
Hi Devolution,
This study should teach you that the same event is
described in different terms in different places in the bible.In Daniel Chapter 8 Media and Persia is a ram having two horns.
And in Daniel Chapter 7 they are a Bear raising itself up on one side.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 16 2012,07:43) Hi Devolution, This study should teach you that the same event is
described in different terms in different places in the bible.In Daniel Chapter 8 Media and Persia is a ram having two horns.
And in Daniel Chapter 7 they are a Bear raising itself up on one side.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,Quote In Daniel Chapter 8 Media and Persia is a ram having two horns.
And in Daniel Chapter 7 they are a Bear raising itself up on one side.I see you did not discern the theme of the scriptures given.
Media is the Lion.
Persia is the Bear.Why do you think the “Bear” was raised up on his side instead of on his feet?
Why did God describe them as separate beasts?Cheers.
Quote (Devolution @ June 16 2012,13:48) Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2012,07:43) Hi Devolution, This study should teach you that the same event is
described in different terms in different places in the bible.In Daniel Chapter 8 Media and Persia is a ram having two horns.
And in Daniel Chapter 7 they are a Bear raising itself up on one side.God bless
Ed J
Hi Ed,Quote In Daniel Chapter 8 Media and Persia is a ram having two horns.
And in Daniel Chapter 7 they are a Bear raising itself up on one side.I see you did not discern the theme of the scriptures given.
Media is the Lion.
Persia is the Bear.Why do you think the “Bear” was raised up on his side instead of on his feet?
Why did God describe them as separate beasts?Cheers.
HI Devolution,You cannot possibly hope to answer that correctly if you start with the wrong premise.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Devolution,
The 'lion' of Daniel Chapter 7 represents Babylon, not Media.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Devolution,
The bear raised itself up on one side because Persia was stronger than Media.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 16 2012,14:06) Hi Devolution, The 'lion' of Daniel Chapter 7 represents Babylon, not Media.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,The greatest enemy to hearing Gods truth can be ourselves.
Humans have a tendency to hear what they want to hear.
It is this trait that Jesus constantly warned us against if we care to read the message behind His message.Hence, for example:
Mark 10:15
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.What is Jesus saying here Ed?
That only those who accept Him when they are little children can enter?
Of course not!Matthew 18:4
Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.This is what Jesus is saying…
And what do children do when being instructed by an adult they trust or asking that trusted one questions?
They believe that adult and change their own ideas to match the adults answer of whom they trust.
This is what Jesus was trying to tell us..listen to Him without question..have faith in Him and His Fathers word Ed.We have to drop our own concepts/doctrines and let scripture speak without our minds editing the inflow of information.
We have to let go and listen.
Let scripture speak Ed…listen to the word…drop your own ideas…let go of pride…be as a little child…I will try and show you again Ed…..give me some time to prepare it….at least try and see it okay?…and then if/when you see it…test it over and over until you are certain it is scripture speaking and not your minds editing filter attempting to fit it into pre-conceived ideas.
Cheers.
Quote (Devolution @ June 17 2012,13:52) They believe that adult and change their own ideas to match the adults answer of whom they trust.
You're the adult and I'm the child?Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,21:07) Quote (Devolution @ June 17 2012,13:52) They believe that adult and change their own ideas to match the adults answer of whom they trust.
You're the adult and I'm the child?
edj
for being a child you are arguing way to much,and you surely do not believe the scriptures ,and it is the scriptures that you should believe and trust like a child not men,
PIERRE,
Do you have anything to add to the discussion?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Wakeup
To understand prophecy you should compare the statue of Daniel 2 with the four beasts of Daniel 7.
THE GREAT RIDDLE “the beast that was, and is not, and yet is” HAS FINALLY BEEN SOLVED!
Rev 17:8 “the beast that was(Rev.13:1-3), and is not(Rev.12:3), and yet is(Rev.17:3).”
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:
and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from
the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.To understand the 'spirit of antichrist we must look at the beast of Rev.13:1-3 in historical context…
Rev.13:1-2 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea (of people: Rev.17:15),
having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the
mouth of a lion (1Pt.5:8): and the dragon (Revelation 12:3) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.Head 1: Egypt -one head -one horn -one crown
Head 2: Assyrian -one head -one horn -one crown
Head of gold: Head 3: Babylon -one head -one horn -one crown …Lion (Daniel 7:4)
Arms of silver: Head 4: Medo-Persians -one head -one horn -one crown …Bear (Daniel 7:5)
Thighs of brass: Head 5: Greeks -one head -four horns -four crowns …Leopard (Daniel 7:6)
Feet of iron & clay: Head 6: Roman -one head -one horn -one crown …ten horns (Daniel 7:7-8)
Head 7: Ottoman -one head -one horn -one crown
Then it suffered a deadly wound:
Muhammad did not have a world empire,
but Mahammudin-islam is a resurgence of
the beast with the deadly wound. (Rev.13:3)Muhammadin islam is the eithth and of the seventh: and this whole world system is going to go into perdition.
All of those countries are islamic now. You need to read Psalm Chapter 83 to better understand this. (Rev.17:11)First this leopard beast looses “-THREE CROWNS” and the camouflage spots exposing it as the great red dragon of Rev.12:3:
Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven;
and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and
ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.The quran prophecy
The beast: Rev.13:11(Muhammad), causeth all to worship
the first beast before him: Rev.13:1-3(the leopard beast)Rev 13:13-14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Next this great red dragon looses “-THE REST OF THE CROWNS” and the spirit of antichrist's plan of world conquest is fully exposed:
Revelation 17:3 “I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”islam is the kingdom of the antichrist! (Link)
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
עד Ed (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,22:01) PIERRE, Do you have anything to add to the discussion?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjso far Devo is doing fine let see what he come up next
Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,22:05) Hi Wakeup To understand prophecy you should compare the statue of Daniel 2 with the four beasts of Daniel 7.
THE GREAT RIDDLE “the beast that was, and is not, and yet is” HAS FINALLY BEEN SOLVED!
Rev 17:8 “the beast that was(Rev.13:1-3), and is not(Rev.12:3), and yet is(Rev.17:3).”
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:
and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from
the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.To understand the 'spirit of antichrist we must look at the beast of Rev.13:1-3 in historical context…
Rev.13:1-2 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea (of people: Rev.17:15),
having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the
mouth of a lion (1Pt.5:8): and the dragon (Revelation 12:3) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.Head 1: Egypt -one head -one horn -one crown
Head 2: Assyrian -one head -one horn -one crown
Head of gold: Head 3: Babylon -one head -one horn -one crown …Lion (Daniel 7:4)
Arms of silver: Head 4: Medo-Persians -one head -one horn -one crown …Bear (Daniel 7:5)
Thighs of brass: Head 5: Greeks -one head -four horns -four crowns …Leopard (Daniel 7:6)
Feet of iron & clay: Head 6: Roman -one head -one horn -one crown …ten horns (Daniel 7:7-8)
Head 7: Ottoman -one head -one horn -one crown
Then it suffered a deadly wound:
Muhammad did not have a world empire,
but Mahammudin-islam is a resurgence of
the beast with the deadly wound. (Rev.13:3)Muhammadin islam is the eithth and of the seventh: and this whole world system is going to go into perdition.
All of those countries are islamic now. You need to read Psalm Chapter 83 to better understand this. (Rev.17:11)First this leopard beast looses “-THREE CROWNS” and the camouflage spots exposing it as the great red dragon of Rev.12:3:
Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven;
and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and
ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.The quran prophecy
The beast: Rev.13:11(Muhammad), causeth all to worship
the first beast before him: Rev.13:1-3(the leopard beast)Rev 13:13-14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Next this great red dragon looses “-THE REST OF THE CROWNS” and the spirit of antichrist's plan of world conquest is fully exposed:
Revelation 17:3 “I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”islam is the kingdom of the antichrist! (Link)
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
עד Ed (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
edjQuote THE GREAT RIDDLE “the beast that was, and is not, and yet is” HAS FINALLY BEEN SOLVED! Rev 17:8 “the beast that was(Rev.13:1-3), and is not(Rev.12:3), and yet is(Rev.17:3).”
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:
and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from
the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.is it solved
i do not see it where is the solution ?Hi Ed,
Lets look at Daniel… IF you are serious, you WILL read all of this.
Daniel 2.
v1 – King Neb has a dream.
v17-19 God reveals Nebs dream to Daniel.
v26-45 The dream interpreted.
v44 All earthly kingdoms are to be broken in pieces and consumed.Theme of dream:
Successive earthly kingdoms to come leading up to the last earthly kingdom before Christs 2nd coming and setting up of His own kingdom which will destroy all other earthly kingdomsMessage of dream:
1- God has set the number of kingdoms yet to come.
2- Mans SELF rule over the earth will eventually end.Daniel chapters 5 & 6
Message:
Babylon is now GONE as an empire….BABYLON IS ENDED…NO MORE…YESTERDAYS NEWS!
Daniel is NOW in the MEDIA-PERSIAN age.
BABYLON EMPIRE IS OVER…FINISHED…DONE…NO MORE…CEASED TO BE…LOOK…SEE…LISTEN:
Why, below, is scripture NOW speaking of Daniels PAST vision WHEN he was in BABYLON? He is in the Median reign now!
WHY is scripture backtracking here?
WHY is this presented in this way?
Could it be that Daniel is now confirming who the first beast is?
NOW that it has HAPPENED…that the 1st beast (Lion/Media) has risen?
Is Daniel/scripture backtracking to confirm the accomplishment of that PAST vision from Babylon?
There are TWO MORE examples to come in Daniel Ed, which do the SAME THING…backtrack to the previous vision with ADDED information!!
We have to “watch” before we can “see”, “listen” before we can “hear”…become as a little child…turn those editing filters off! Let Gods truth flow undefiled…Daniel 7
When Daniel was in Babylon, he was shown this vision that scripture is only now presenting to us.
The vision is being revealed to the reader AFTER Babylon is ended as an empire during Darius' reign….WHY?
That is, the vision is being revealed to us in Daniels present when it was a vision concerning the future all along…FOUR BEASTS SHALL ARISE…SHALL…SHALL…SHALL…
In the first person SHALL means NOT YET COME/FUTURE…and Daniel was in an empire nearing its end already by the time he got the vision.
HOW can the first beast who SHALL come be the same beast that was already there when the vision was given as a FUTURE EVENT?
It can not.
Also note that scripture is only now revealing that past vision to us concerning a future event in a time where a new empire has just taken center stage!
Coincidence?We both agree that chapter 7 is speaking of kings/kingdoms.
And scripture only revealed this vision AFTER Babylon fell.
This vision of kings/kingdoms to come..Now take note of chapter 8…
It is a CONTINUING THEME!
Kings/kingdoms to come!
And ONLY NOW is scripture showing us what Daniel ALREADY KNEW BEFORE BABYLON FELL!!Catch that Ed?
DANIEL ALREADY KNEW WHO WAS GOING TO TAKE BABYLONS PLACE BEFORE BABYLON FELL…MEDIAN KINGS!!!!!!!!AND WHO WAS GOING TO TAKE MEDIAS PLACE….PERSIAN KINGS….AND WHO WAS GOING TO TAKE THEIR PLACE…GRECIAN KINGS!!!!
God told Daniel this in the 3rd year of the reign of Belshazzar (8:1)!!!!!..IN Babylon before it happened.
NOW chapter 11
Notice v1?
IN THE FIRST YEAR of Darius the MEDE
This vision of kings/kingdoms continues for Daniel.
Only NOW, the vision is being CONFIRMED during the MEDIAN reign and NOT the Babylonian reign as before!!
And the vision concerns PERSIANS!!
Catch that Ed…
During Babylon a vision of beasts to come…
Then during Media rule, Daniel was shown a vision of ANOTHER beast to come…a PERSIAN…Daniel was given ADDED information…SINGULAR information…precise information.
And that Persian beast was followed by a GRECIAN beast!!
Ed, this is exactly what is happening in chapter 8 which itself follows chapter 7 in its theme..just with ADDED information…
Notice that ed?Notice Daniels first vision was an overall picture?
THEN notice that each following vision, AFTER Daniel complained he could not understand in chapter 7, that each following vision was given with ADDED INFORMATION!!
ADDED information keeps being relayed to Daniel as both CONFIRMATION and TEACHING before the event happens.Anyway, AGAIN:
WHEN Babylon was ruling, Daniel was shown the kings to come…
NOW, when that FIRST KING TO COME HAD COME…
ONLY NOW IS DANIEL BEING SHOWN THE DETAIL CONCERNING THE OTHER KING TO COME….Daniel was already shown the vision, but now he is being shown more clearly.And what does God concentrate on?
A PERSIAN KING….
Notice God is making clear the distinction….MEDIAN KING(s)….THEN….THEN…THEN…THEN…PERSIAN KING(s)!!!!
GOD IS separating them (Medes & Persians) for a prophetic reason Ed. And if God separates them as TWO, WHY do men join them as ONE?
I will listen to God and not men.
Media is the 1st beast
Persia the 2nd
Grecia the 3rdNotice this PERSIAN king only rises AFTER THREE other PERSIAN KINGS must come before him? NOT Median kings…AGAIN: God is SEPARATING them and pointing out a PERSIAN!!! NOT Media-Persian…but PERSIAN.
And did you notice something Ed:
THREE…THREE…THREE…THREE…THREE
This sound familiar:
Daniel 7:5
And behold, ANOTHER BEAST a SECOND, like unto a Bear, and it raised itself up on one side…..READY ED….
AND IT HAD THREE ribs in the mouth of it….
IT….IT….IT….A PERSIAN….PERSIAN….PERSIAN KING….NOT A MEDIAN KING….NOT A MEDIA-PERSIAN KING….BUT A PERSIAN KING….IT…IT…IT had THREE RIBS in its mouth.THAT Persian king did.
PERSIAN….PERSIAN…PERSIAN…
Again: NOT a MEDIA PERSIAN BEAR being spoken of…BUT a PERSIAN BEAR!!!
And look 11:2….God is mentioning GRECIA AGAIN….
So chapter 11 links to chapter 8 which links to chapter 7 which links to chapter 2…
And all three chapters concern kings to come and kingdoms.
COINCIDENCE?So for you to say that my premise is wrong to start with…did you even consider these points?
I am coming from a place of understanding Ed…
NOT guess work.
NOT just accepting that Babylon was the first beast just because everybody else says so…
EVERY CHRISTIAN denomination believes that!
Truth in numbers?
If truth in numbers were true, then just as millions and millions of Jews say….which then would be true too….that Jesus can not be the Messiah!!
But we know otherwise.Cheers.
Hi Devolution,
So why do YOU say the lion in Daniels dream was Media?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,14:07) Quote (Devolution @ June 17 2012,13:52) They believe that adult and change their own ideas to match the adults answer of whom they trust.
You're the adult and I'm the child?
Hi Ed,Please don't get defensive, i wasn't calling you a child.
I was just relaying Christs instruction concerning hearing His word.Cheers.
Hi Devolution,
Do you believe the bible can be used to explain the bible?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,18:24) Hi Devolution, So why do YOU say the lion in Daniels dream was Media?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,I hope you read my BIG post for you?
It took a while for me to formulate!Look Ed, just read chapters 7, 8 & 11.
Take note of who always comes after the first two prophetic kings/beasts…
…#3 = Grecia!
And then?
Its always the same…this great kingdom/ruler..then the END comes..the end of mans rule over planet earth.
Unless our leaders are all Jesus in disguise, that has not yet happened.
Men are still ruling, and unjustly at that.
But Christs rule is to be a rule of JUSTICE, PEACE, and STABILITY worldwide…
NONE of these are true in todays world.
If you say that Christ is ruling this earth now…then you compare Him to today's leaders.
Christ is not yet ruling this earth directly, only ruling His own people who are on this earth.
That will change soon though…Cheers.
Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,18:55) Hi Devolution, Do you believe the bible can be used to explain the bible?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Okay Ed,maybe that huge post i just wrote wasn't meant for you but somebody else who might delve past their own interpretation to see His message.
It's not my message, but what i can clearly see…i just joined the pre set dots…nothing special on my behalf!..just followed the trail God laid down.
Maybe i'm brain damaged or something, because i can not see your interpretation within those chapters at all…i only see what i have posted.
Cheers.
Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,18:24) Hi Devolution, So why do YOU say the lion in Daniels dream was Media?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Devolution?
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