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The expectation of countless Christians is to attain a physical resurrection. They long to receive back their once dead Physical bodies into the millennium reign of Christ, and so live forever in the New Heavens and Earth mentioned in Rev. 21.
“Paul preached nothing but Israel’s hope.” And pointed out in Acts Christ was the first to rise from the dead. Nevertheless we know there were many raised before Him. Did Paul have in mind a better resurrection?
But I have had God's help to this very day, and so I stand here and testify to small and great alike. I am saying nothing beyond what the prophets and Moses said would happen—23 that the Christ would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would proclaim light to his own people and to the Gentiles.” Acts 26:22
Before time siad:
Quote Nevertheless we know there were many raised before Him. Did Paul have in mind a better resurrection? Who rose before Christ?
thinker
Thinker asked:
Quote Who rose before Christ? before Time replied:
Quote Lazarus for one and there were many more. Lazarus was not a partaker of the resurrection in the last day. He died again. Christ was the first to rise immortal never to die again.
You said that there were many more. Who?
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 22 2009,02:26) You said that there were many more. Who? thinker
I don't know if these folks died again or not. Scripture does not say. Christ is the only one that I know of, from the word, who rose and did not die again.Mat 27:52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised,
Mat 27:53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.I don’t recollect Paul referring to the last day resurrection in our future in Acts 26:22, Or those in Matthew 27:52-53 not dying again; obviously, they did.
The resurrection I’m suggesting is spiritual (coming to life) while still in a breathing physical body.
John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; 26 and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
Seeking said:
Quote I don't know if these folks died again or not. Scripture does not say. Christ is the only one that I know of, from the word, who rose and did not die again. Mat 27:52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised,
Mat 27:53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.Hi Seeking,
The resurrection of 1 Corinthians is about the putting off of mortality and the putting on of immortality. Christ was the first to be immortalized and therefore the first to rise from the dead in this sense. So all those who rose from the dead before Christ died again.
Paul said that if Christ be not risen the dead rise NOT.
thinker
before Time said:
Quote The resurrection I’m suggesting is spiritual (coming to life) while still in a breathing physical body. John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; 26 and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
Before I comment I want to get some clarification from you. By “spiritual” resurrection do you mean salvation?
thinker
Quote (before Time @ Feb. 22 2009,06:52) The resurrection I’m suggesting is spiritual (coming to life) while still in a breathing physical body.
Is this what you mean?1Th 4:13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.
1Th 4:15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
Hi,
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27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:All will be raised
But BETTER to be found in the first resurrection
Hebrews 11:35
Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:I don’t consider Jesus had the Rapture in mind, because Christ mentioned those who eat of the bread coming from heaven will not die. This applies to all Christians nourishing this bread.
But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. John 6:50
The spiritual resurrection and salvation go together. Resurrection means a coming to life. One can’t go without the other. This comes about when one approaches God in trust (faith).
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. John 5:25
Hebrew 9:27 is separation from God (death) which Adam brought to the human race, and Jesus brought back to life.
Rom 5:5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Hi BT,
Jesus is the living word, the living bread and his words are spirit and life to those that receive and obey them.But all must come to the saviour.
No magic salvation of all.Thinker asked
Before I comment I want to get some clarification from you. By “spiritual” resurrection do you mean salvation?
Salvation and spiritual resurrection is one event. The resurrection I’m suggesting is spiritual; raised up with Christ in His resurrection and never die.
John 11:26 and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
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Eph 2:5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions — it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
Quote (before Time @ Mar. 03 2009,20:14) Thinker asked Before I comment I want to get some clarification from you. By “spiritual” resurrection do you mean salvation?
Salvation and spiritual resurrection is one event. The resurrection I’m suggesting is spiritual; raised up with Christ in His resurrection and never die.
John 11:26 and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
Compare
Eph 2:5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions — it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
Before time – that's good thinking!Seeking
I know of two individuals who ascended to heaven without dying and they were Enoch and Elijah. In the account of the transfiguration of Jesus the Messiah we are told Mosses who died was there and the indications are he was not a ghost as the disciples offered to set up a tent for Jesus, him, and Elijah.
Hi KW,
Yes .
Perhaps they too are with the LIVING in the bosom of Abraham?[lk16]
This is a place for those of faith, sons of God from the old covenant.
They will take their seats too to be waited on by Jesus at the wedding feast.
Matthew 22:32
' I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”Matthew 8:11
“I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;Luke 12:37
“Blessed are those slaves whom the master will find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them.I cannot be sure about Mosses beyond the fact that he died and was buried as testified in scripture and that he was there when Jesus transfigured and appeared to be solid enough that certain of Jesus’ disciples were prepared to build a shelter for him. I do know that neither Elijah nor Enoch entered Hades (Sheol) as they are both reported to have ascended to be with God. I also know Elijah was with Mosses when Jesus transfigured. In addition I know what Daniel was told and this is the scripture that bears witness to that information. Daniel would certainly be among the number of those that went to be at Abraham’s side.
Daniel 12:13(NIV) reads:
Quote “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”
As you can see that does not appear to be what occurred with Mosses. The only other account I can think of that involves one who was summoned from Hades involves Samuel being summoned by the Witch of Endor and in that case he was a ghost and not solid seeming.
Hi KW,
Since Moses was with Elijah when Jesus was flooded with inner light then it seems likely they are always together. The tabernacle idea of Moses would appear to be a typical humanist idea and one that modern denominations follow.But this verse is interesting.
Jude 1:9
But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, ” The Lord rebuke you!”Nick Hassan wrote:
Quote Since Moses was with Elijah when Jesus was flooded with inner light then it seems likely they are always together.
That seems a reasonable conclusion as there were no recorded differences in the appearances of either.
Nick Hassan wrote:
Quote The tabernacle idea of Moses would appear to be a typical humanist idea and one that modern denominations follow.
I am not familiar with that idea. Could you please brief me on it?
Nick Hassan wrote:
Quote But this verse is interesting.
I agree. It also gives credence to the idea that Mosses was resurrected and ascended after death.
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