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This is the order of events.
1. The 1ST SEAL opened – The white horse. HISTORY. The crusades forcing christianity, and killing, but never the less, Christ's name being spread and being heard amongst the gentiles, but not according to truth. (no personal access to holy bible yet)
2. The 2nd SEAL opened – The red horse. HISTORY. 1st and 2nd world wars. (holy bible available)
3. The 3rd SEAL opened – The black horse. CURRENT. Famine coming worldwide. The NWO is crashing the whole economy.
(the 144,000 will be sealed during this period)
4. The 4th SEAL opened – The pale horse. COMING NEXT, SOON. The US dollar will collapse, and the NWO will introduce a new global system. The Mark of the beast. “And power was given unto “THEM”.
5. The 5th Seal opened – The saints will be killed for refusing the mark of the beast.
6. The 6th Seal opened – NOW THE 7 TRUMPETS WILL BLOW.
The 6th Seal contains ALL 6 TRUMPETS.(a) THE FIRST TRUMPET BLOWS, the vial pours out the first plague and thrown on to the EARTH.
Rev 8:7 The FIRST ANGEL sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon THE EARTH: and the third part of trees was burn't up, and all green grass was burn't up.
Rev 16:2 And the FIRST went, and POURED out his vial upon THE EARTH; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshiped his image.
(This is the first plague – 1/3 FIRE on green things, and sores on those who received the Mark of the Beast. the EARTH receives the plague, and men at the same time)
(b) THE SECOND TRUMPET BLOWS. The vial pours out the 2nd plague and throws it into the SEA.
Rev 8:8 And the SECOND ANGEL sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire cast into the SEA: and the third part of the sea became blood;
Rev 16:3 And the SECOND ANGEL poured out his vial upon the SEA; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
(This is the second plague – 1/3 SEA contaminated, and and at the same time death to men who are at the sea)
 THE THIRD TRUMPET BLOWS. The vial pours out the 3rd plague and throws it at the RIVERS and FOUNTAINS OF WATER.
Rev 8:10 And the THIRD ANGEL sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the RIVERS, and upon the FOUNTAINS OF WATERS;
Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many died of the waters, because they were made bitter.Rev 16:4 And the THIRD ANGEL poured out his VIAL upon the RIVERS and FOUNTAINS OF WATERS; and they became blood.
(This is the third plague – 1/3 of rivers and fountains of water contaminated, and death to men who used those waters.
(d) THE FOURTH TRUMPET BLOWS. The vial pours out the 4th plague and throws it at the SUN, THE MOON, AND STARS.
Rev 8:12 And the FOURTH ANGEL sounded, and the third part of the SUN was smitten, and the third part of the MOON, and the third part of the STARS; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
Rev 16:8 And the FOURTH ANGEL poured out his vial upon the SUN; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.(This is the fourth plague – The Sun does not give it's light for a third part of the day, something else is happening here also. The heat is not escaping the atmosphere, and the earth becomes like an oven affecting men, but they are not dying, only cursing God even more.)
(e) THE FIFTH ANGEL BLOWS.. The vial pours out the 5th plague and the bottomless pit is opened. WOE
Rev 9:1 And the FIFTH ANGEL sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the BOTTOMLESS PIT
Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree, but only those men which have not the seal of God int their foreheads.
Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be TORMENTED FIVE MONTHS: and their torment was as the TORMENT OF A SCORPION, when he striketh a man.
Rev 9:6 And in those days men shall seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
Rev 9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
Rev 9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
Rev 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions., and there were STINGS IN THEIR TAILS: and their power was to HURT MEN FIVE MONTHS..
Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but int he Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.Rev 16:10 And the FIFTH ANGEL poured out his VIAL upon the seat of the beast, and HIS KINGDOM was FULL OF DARKNESS; and they gnawed their tongues for PAIN.
Rev 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their PAINS and their SORES, and repented not of their deeds.(This is the fifth plague – this plague opens the bottomless pit letting out evil angels, who are commanded to torment ALL MEN who are part of the beasts kingdom (who have the mark of the beast) This pain is going to be unimaginable.)
(f) THE SIXTH ANGEL BLOWS The vial is poured out on to soldiers now, and Israel, letting out another four angels of the bottomless pit who are going to lead all the armies into Israel. WOE, WOE
Rev 9:13 And the SIXTH ANGEL sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God.
Rev 9:14 Saying to the SIXTH ANGEL which had the TRUMPET, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Rev 9:16 And the number of the ARMY of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Rev 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brinstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
Rev 9:19 for their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plages yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk.
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.Rev 6:12 And the SIXTH ANGEL poured out his VIAL upon the GREAT RIVER EUPHRATES; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the KINGS OF THE EASTmight be prepared.
Rev 6:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 6:14 for they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 6:16 And he GATHERED THEM TOGETHER into a place called in the Hebrew tongue ARMAGEDDON.(This is the 6th plague – war. Gathering of the armies to fight each other in the one place, and then joining forces and fighting Christ in that same one place)
7. The 7th Seal opened – NOW THE 7th TRUMPET
The 7th Seal is the 7th Trumpet.THE SEVENTH ANGEL BLOWS. The vial pours out the 7th plague which is the coming of Christ, and the destroying of man's rule and authority under Satan (the beasts kingdom), along with death to many. WOE, WOE, WOE
Rev 16:17 And the SEVENTH ANGEL poured out his vial into the air, and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying “IT IS DONE”
CONTAINED IN THE 7TH TRUMPET
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Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders and lightnings; and there was A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so might an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And THE GREAT CITY WAS DIVIDED INTO THREE PARTS, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL, and GREAT BABYLON came into remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And EVERY ISLAND FLED AWAY, and THE MOUNTAINS WERE NOT FOUND
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a GREAT HAIL out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the PLAGUE OF HAIL for the plague was exceedingly great.(This is the 7th plague, the great earthquake, Israel being split into three parts, the buildings of the cities destroyed, and their power, and great hail destroying all other buildings, would include homes, palaces, offices, factories, shops, cars, and planes, and ships,… practically everything material made with hands.
The 144,000 will be present with Christ during all this. “Those who are alive will be picked up” before the destroying, because they are working in the field.
Now false prophet will be thrown into the lake of fire,
the beasts kingdom no more,
Satan will be bound,
the resurrection of the saints.(please note) the details in Rev 8 “And when he had opened the seventh seal,…” are just that, “details of the 7 trumpets”, but actually OCCUR during the 6th seal, because by the 7th seal, it is all done. Finished.
Marty
Regarding your comment in the prophesy thread;
This was the post I did just for you, so you can understand why the trumpets and the vials are the same and how they tie into the order of events. Not even a comment from you? Just a straight out rejection on another post.
As you can see I have given you scripture side by side, and explained and you completely ignored.
Marty
I bump this up again, so you can see how you ignored my post. This post was for YOU Marty. It took me a long time to do this post, with no returns from you.
It contains the order of events, something that you challenge me is not the truth with NO explanations back to me.This post has been pushed down the line, for the enemy does not want you to see it, nor understand it. And I will keep bringing it up until you tell me where it is that I have erred, and justify your statement.
If you don't understand that's fine, ask me questions. I will answer, but don't just ignore. That is not the honest thing to do. I have done my part.
Well, have you ever given I thought that I did not respond to your post because I did not see it?
But no, I still disagree that the seven trumpets, and the seven last plagues are the same. The trumpets are judgments mingled with mercy, in other words, people can be saved during these plagues, but the seven last plagues are poured out on those who have received the mark of the beast, and at the time that they are poured out, there is not salvation for anyone. This is the wrath of God being poured out on those who have not believed the gospel, and are alive at the time that Jesus comes for the church.
Below are some scriptures which show that during the 6 trumpets, some may have repented. The Lord will come for the church on the seventh trumpet:
Quote Rev 9:14
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.Rev 9:15
And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.Rev 9:16
And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.Rev 9:17
And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
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Rev 9:18
By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.Rev 9:19
For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.Rev 9:20
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:Rev 9:21
Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.The two witnesses are doing their preaching during the first six of these trumpets, and when they are taken to heaven, after being killed and lying in the street for 3 1/2 days, there appear to be an great number that are saved when they are taken up.
Here is the scripture:
Quote Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.Rev 11:9
And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.Rev 11:10
And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.Rev 11:11
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And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.Rev 11:12
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.Rev 11:13
And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heavenAnd then at the seventh trumpet, it anounced that the kingdoms of the world are now the Kingdoms of our Lord, and it is anounced that the wrath of God is to follow.
Quote Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16
And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,Rev 11:17
Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.Rev 11:18
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.The Lord will come for the church at the sound of the Last Trumpet, the seventh trumpet:
Quote 1Co 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,1Co 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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1Co 15:53
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.1Co 15:54
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victoryThe seven vials are also known as the seven last plagues:
Quote Rev 21:9
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wifeQuote Rev 14:9
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:Quote Rev 14:19
And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.Rev 15:1
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and
marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.Rev 15:7
And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.Rev 16:1
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.This is why I disagree with you that the seven last plagues and the seven trumpets are not the same.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi KW,
3.Revelation 15:7
And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.4.Revelation 16:1
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.Yes
We are not destined for God's wrath.
God has forgiven us in Christ Jesus52.1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,Quote (kerwin @ May 02 2014,04:34) Moderator, Is this the correct forum for this thread?
This is a perfect example of how pathetic the christian world has become in these last days.
Instead of looking at the content, you are more concerned about whether it is in the right thread or not?This is where Marty was speaking on the subject, and this is where I have answered so that he see it.
Maybe the moderators should move it to a new section called, “Evidence that no-one will bother to read”942767,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Well, have you ever given I thought that I did not respond to your post because I did not see it? Marty, how convenient for you to say this. Do you know that liars will have their share in the wrath to come also?
Quote But no, I still disagree that the seven trumpets, and the seven last plagues are the same. The trumpets are judgments mingled with mercy, in other words, people can be saved during these plagues, but the seven last plagues are poured out on those who have received the mark of the beast, and at the time that they are poured out, there is not salvation for anyone. This is the wrath of God being poured out on those who have not believed the gospel, and are alive at the time that Jesus comes for the church.
So after all the evidence, and putting the trumpets and the vials side by side, you still flatly reject? Christ returns only ONCE. He returns on the 7th trumpet, 7th vial, 7th plague.
It still does not make sense to you that the angel blows the trumpet, pours out the vial which contains the plague?What can you possibly see NOT coinciding here?
1st TRUMPET
Rev 8:7 The FIRST ANGEL sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon THE EARTH: and the third part of trees was burn't up, and all green grass was burn't up.1st VIAL
Rev 16:2 And the FIRST went, and POURED out his vial upon THE EARTH; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshiped his image.THE WRATH OF GOD IS NOT POURED OUT UNTIL THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS ISSUED. THERE IS NO TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF PUNISHMENTS. SAME SEVEN ANGELS AT THE SAME TIME. ALL THESE START AFTER THE SAINTS ARE KILLED, AND LEAD UP TO THE COMING. THIS IS THE FIRST PLAGUE, FIRE UPSETTING THE ECO SYSTEM OF THE EARTH AND SORES ON MEN WHO RECEIVED THE MARK OF THE BEAST.
2nd Trumpet
Rev 8:8 And the SECOND ANGEL sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire cast into the SEA: and the third part of the sea became blood;2nd Vial
Rev 16:3 And the SECOND ANGEL poured out his vial upon the SEA; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.SO TELL ME WHY WOULD GOD POLLUTE THE SEA TWICE? A THIRD PART OF SEA IS POLLUTED BY THE ANGEL WITH THE TRUMPET, AND AS A RESULT EVERYTHING IN THAT THIRD PART THAT WAS STRUCK DIES. A THIRD PART OF THE SEA IS ENORMOUS. CONTAMINATION SPREADS. FOOD SUPPLY'S FROM THE SEA ARE CUT OFF. SEA CREATURES SUCH AS FISH, WHALES, SEALS, DOLPHINS, & SHARKS MIGRATE ACROSS OCEANS, AND WILL BE WASHING UP DEAD ALL OVER THE WORLD, POLLUTING ALL THE SEAS WITH NO SEA SCAVENGERS TO TAKE CARE OF THEM, TURNING THE SEA'S FOUL. THIS IS THE 2ND PLAGUE. DEATH TO SEA CREATURES, AND DEATH TO MEN WHO EAT OF THEM.
3rd Trumpet
Rev 8:10 And the THIRD ANGEL sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the RIVERS, and upon the FOUNTAINS OF WATERS;
Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many died of the waters, because they were made bitter.3rd Vial
Rev 16:4 And the THIRD ANGEL poured out his VIAL upon the RIVERS and FOUNTAINS OF WATERS; and they became blood.I'VE EVEN BOLDED AND ENLARGED KEY WORDS, BUT YOU STILL CANNOT SEE THE RESEMBLANCE. THIS IS THE 4TH PLAGUE, RIVER AND DRINKING WATERS CONTAMINATED. WHAT CAN'T YOU SEE? THEY HAVE GIVEN US SEWERAGE WATER TO DRINK, AND NOW THEY WILL DRINK EVEN WORSE THEMSELVES.
4TH Trumpet
Rev 8:12 And the FOURTH ANGEL sounded, and the third part of the SUN was smitten, and the third part of the MOON, and the third part of the STARS; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.4th Vial
Rev 16:8 And the FOURTH ANGEL poured out his vial upon the SUN; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.WELL IF YOU ATTACK THE SUN, IT WILL AFFECT THE MOON.
COMMONSENSE. WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED.AND SO IT GOES WITH THE 5TH ANGEL'S TRUMPET. SPIRITS BEING LET OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT STINGING MEN. MEN WANTING TO DIE BUT DEATH ESCAPES THEM.
AND THE 5TH VIAL HAS MEN GNAWING THEIR TONGUE BECAUSE OF THE PAIN.AND THE 6TH ANGEL LETTING OUT SPIRITS WHO WILL GATHER THE ARMIES TO BATTLE, AND CROSS OVER THE EURPHRATES KILLING A THIRD OF MEN, AND THOSE ARMIES BEING THERE IN ISRAEL ALREADY, RE-GATHER IN ARMAGEDDON AND UNITE READY TO FIGHT THE LAMB. IT ALL LEADS UP TO THIS DAY. ONE PUNISHMENT – THE LORD HAS WAITED FOR THIS DAY TO AVENGE HIS SAINTS AND HIS SON WHOM HE SENT. ALL WILL BE KILLED IN THE SAME PLACE ON THE 3RD WOE, A MASSIVE BLOODBATH AT THE COMING ON THE 7TH TRUMPET. AND YOU SAY NO THERE ARE VIALS TO COME NOW?
I HOPE YOU CAN SEE THIS. THERE IS NO PLACE FOR PRIDE IN THE KINGDOM, AND YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN ME HOW THESE TRUMPETS-VIALS-PLAGUES DO NOT CORRESPOND AT THE SAME TIME. YOU HAVE FAILED TO SEE HOW GOD HAS HIDDEN HIS TRUTH IN THE SCRIPTURES FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD, AND TOLD US TO SEEK, AND GIVES VERSES TO BACK HIS OTHER VERSES, EACH WITH DIFFERENT DETAIL BUT CONCERNING THE SAME EVENT, SO A PICTURE CAN EMERGE. A PICTURE OF TRUTH AND NOT ERROR.
SO DON'T MAKE THIS ABOUT ME, I HAVE BEEN VERY PATIENT, AND HAVE PUT UP WITH SO MUCH MOCKING AND CONDEMNATION HERE FROM ONE OF YOUR TROUBLE-MAKERS AND NOT ONE OF YOU REBUKED HIM, BUT SIDED WITH HIS WICKEDNESS IN SILENCE, AND TOOK ENJOYMENT OF MY HURT.
I WILL BE BOLD FROM NOW ON ANYONE WHO IS A HYPOCRITE AND DOES NOT STAND FOR ANYTHING OR ANYONE THAT HOLDS ANY VALUE TO GOD.Hi j42,
You say to our dear brother
“Marty, how convenient for you to say this. Do you know that liars will have their share in the wrath to come also?”Should this be reported to the moderators?
Hi J42:
You posted these side by side, and you say that they are the same, but I do not see them as being the same.
Quote 1st TRUMPET
Rev 8:7 The FIRST ANGEL sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon THE EARTH: and the third part of trees was burn't up, and all green grass was burn't up.1st VIAL
Rev 16:2 And the FIRST went, and POURED out his vial upon THE EARTH; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshiped his image.THE WRATH OF GOD IS NOT POURED OUT UNTIL THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS ISSUED. THERE IS NO TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF PUNISHMENTS. SAME SEVEN ANGELS AT THE SAME TIME. ALL THESE START AFTER THE SAINTS ARE KILLED, AND LEAD UP TO THE COMING. THIS IS THE FIRST PLAGUE, FIRE UPSETTING THE ECO SYSTEM OF THE EARTH AND SORES ON MEN WHO RECEIVED THE MARK OF THE BEAST.
You wanted to know why I disagree with you that they are one and the same, and I have done so using scripture, and as you said, it is the scripture which dictates what is the truth.
And there is only one judge, who knows whether or not I am a liar, and also, your post relative to this was not directed to me personally.
If you still want to teach that they are the same, then teach whatever you believe to be the truth, and I will do the same. We will both be accountable to God for what we teach.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (journey42 @ May 02 2014,06:29) Quote (kerwin @ May 02 2014,04:34) Moderator, Is this the correct forum for this thread?
This is a perfect example of how pathetic the christian world has become in these last days.
Instead of looking at the content, you are more concerned about whether it is in the right thread or not?This is where Marty was speaking on the subject, and this is where I have answered so that he see it.
Maybe the moderators should move it to a new section called, “Evidence that no-one will bother to read”
Journey,I looked at your post and saw your religious opinion and not anything that was really about Scripture. Too many people get carried away with stories when they focus on Revelation instead focusing on keeping themselves clean. What will happen will happen but if you worry about it so much that you are found naked on that day you will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Kerwin
What do you call all those scriptures I gave? religious opinions?
Were you concerned with them? Did you look straight pass my bolded enlarged points?
You can not see some harmony there in those very scriptures?
Not one bit.
Instead of actually reading the content, your only concern was whether or not it was in the right section of this forum.Your input is absolutely useless, so like the others, when put into a corner you make personal attacks. Nothing helpful, just spite.
So your reason for being on here, I'm not quite sure, it could be just to pass the time, is not the same reason I am on here.
Journey,
Quote . HISTORY. The crusades forcing christianity, and killing, but never the less, Christ's name being spread and being heard amongst the gentiles, but not according to truth. (no personal access to holy bible yet) That is a religious opinion. It is mere speculation. I have my own speculation but there is too little information to say to what specific events the patterns God gave us apply. The Seventh Day Adventist are well known for their error in trying to predict the day of advent and their failure to do so. It is not for us to know the day or the hour because it will come like a thief in the night and the worried housemaster who stays up worrying about it gets no sleep and falls to other demons before the thief comes.
Hi J42,
You say
“Your input is absolutely useless, so like the others, when put into a corner you make personal attacks. Nothing helpful, just spite.So your reason for being on here, I'm not quite sure, it could be just to pass the time, is not the same reason I am on here.”
If not to attack others why are you here?
Nick
I am here to shake their cosy nests. They have been too comfortable for too long, going over the same subjects for years, never getting anywhere, always disagreeing, never moving on, all claiming that they have won the prize before they have finished the race, and you are one of them.
Quote (journey42 @ May 05 2014,20:56) And don't dare comment on this post, as it would be too much for you to take in.
J42.As usual; the empty drum syndrome.
They sound the loudest.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ May 04 2014,04:25) Journey, Quote . HISTORY. The crusades forcing christianity, and killing, but never the less, Christ's name being spread and being heard amongst the gentiles, but not according to truth. (no personal access to holy bible yet) That is a religious opinion. It is mere speculation. I have my own speculation but there is too little information to say to what specific events the patterns God gave us apply. The Seventh Day Adventist are well known for their error in trying to predict the day of advent and their failure to do so. It is not for us to know the day or the hour because it will come like a thief in the night and the worried housemaster who stays up worrying about it gets no sleep and falls to other demons before the thief comes.
KerwinFor the majority….If one died tonight, Jesus would come as a thief in the night. … totally unexpected. The thief in the night story is not about the day of the coming, but when death takes us….it can be anytime…..for when we awake, he is right there, whether it be the harvest, or judgement day, he will come at an hour we are not expecting….
…and for the last generation, there are only 144,000 that follow the lamb wheresoever he goes. Not many in the christian world. Very few in number according to all the believers. If we are not one of those 144,00 who are SEALED before the 7 trumpets blow, and the wrath of God starts, then we do not qualify as true faithful followers, but will be made to go through the fire to suffer persecution, and if we chose to save our lives, then will receive the same wrath as Babylon. We will have our share with the hypocrites, and those who commit abominations.
So be ready at all times, and don't let him catch you at a time when you are;
1. Not putting God first
2. Denying his preserved Word.
3. Having no truth in you, but full or errors
5. Trampling on his pearls
6. Disobedient
7. Accusing his servants
8. Having no fruits of the spirit.
9. Being stuck in muddy waters
10. Naked. No truth, no covering. No knowledge. No preparation whatsoever for what is to come
11. Hindering the truth
12. Self righteous / proudMatthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Journey,
Quote For the majority….If one died tonight, Jesus would come as a thief in the night. … totally unexpected. The thief in the night story is not about the day of the coming, but when death takes us….it can be anytime…..for when we awake, he is right there, whether it be the harvest, or judgement day, he will come at an hour we are not expecting…. Have you really tested this doctrine of yours against Scripture?
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