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Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 15 2012,22:33) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2012,03:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 15 2012,22:07) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2012,01:55) j42 Quote Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. No forgiveness there. Nothing to wipe their sins away now, last call my people.
right ,but wen would you apply it
Terra.Once the plaques has come ,then its too late.
wakeup.
wupyou move away from my question
Terra.Rev.18:5. FOR HER SINS HAS REACHED UNTO HEAVEN.
THATS IT; IT CAN NOT GO ANY HIGHER.Terra;whats going on in your country;under the Denver airport? A city under ground.
All the leaders of the usa will be hiding there in 5days time,because they say, the sun is going to burn up the earth?I think its not only the leaders of the usa but the world.will be hiding in their own city underground.
THERE WILL BE MANY RED FACES,BECAUSE OF SHAME.I have the video.
wakup.
wupfirst I am not living in the US but in Canada,
and you still did not answer my question nor J42
terraricca,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote and you still did not answer my question nor J42 Pierre
I see what you mean now.
I can't predict exactly when the plagues are going to come until the false prophet shows his face. But even before he comes, the 10 horn beast must be set up, (new world order) and they will show their face and we will know exactly what they will call themselves. and before they come, the economies of USA, and Europe will totally collapse, and they will replace with their new system. They have caused this collapse on purpose to bring in their new system. I say the beast (10 kings) will emerge within the next 2-3 years, possibly earlier but definitely not in 2012. We just have to wait and see and go by the signs given to us. That's all we have at the moment, we must keep watching.
There are clues here and there in the OT. One clue is that Israel are given 70 years to serve the king of Babylon, They have been serving him for longer than this, but for the LAST FINAL time they serve the king of Babylon(Satan) has to start somewhere?
I believe it started from when they were re-established in 1948. You do the maths. Things will start moving when that time is up. In 2018, Israel will be occupied, taken over. (punishment on them begins) and we know they will be trodden down for a further 3 1/2 years.
The false prophet will lead for a total of 6.49 years, so he has come out before he attacks Israel, before 2018, and the 10 horned beast (8th) will come before him (before 2015) So we don't have much time to play with. All is moving so fast now, and evil is escalating at the fastest rate. Everything I said is according to scripture, and not invented. I have quoted these scriptures before but some were too busy calling me a liar, that they didn't consider those scriptures.
But what people also don't realise, is that if we die before then, our time is up anyway, and he comes when we don't expect him, as a thief in the night. (unexpectedly)
Nobody knows what the hour of their death is going to be, so they don't know the hour of his coming… for them personally….but obviously this is different from “the coming” and judgement on Babylon the Great.
I hope I have answered your question now?.
J42
Quote There are clues here and there in the OT. One clue is that Israel are given 70 years to serve the king of Babylon, They have been serving him for longer than this, but for the LAST FINAL time they serve the king of Babylon(Satan) has to start somewhere? were in scriptures does it say that the 70 year of bondage for Israel corruption by Babylon as to be repeated in our time
Quote The false prophet will lead for a total of 6.49 years, so he has come out before he attacks Israel, before 2018, and the 10 horned beast (8th) will come before him (before 2015) So we don't have much time to play with. All is moving so fast now, and evil is escalating at the fastest rate. Everything I said is according to scripture, and not invented. I have quoted these scriptures before but some were too busy calling me a liar, that they didn't consider those scriptures. now still continue from the destruction of Jerusalem and the devastation of Israel ,in 70 ad, THIS ACTION BY GOD ALMITHY ,AS MADE ISRAEL FINAL REJECTION BY GOD HIMSELF FOR ALL WHAT THEY HAVE DONE ;NOW JESUS ALSO PREDICTED THE CHANGE IN THE WORSHIP ,BY WHAT HE TELL THE SAMARITAIN WOMEN Jn 4:21 Jesus declared, “Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
AND ;;Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”AS YOU CAN SEE JESUS DOES NOT SEPARATE THE JEWS FROM ANY OTHER WORSHIPER ,SO IT MEANS ALL WORSHIPERS.
THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM INCLUDING ALL THE TEMPLE AND HIS ATTACHED BUILDING SHOWN THE FINAL DIVORCE FROM GOD AND ISRAEL AS A NATION WERE GOD AS HIS NAME ON, SO ISRAEL AS NOTHING LEFT THAT MAY REBUILT THAT CONNECTION ,BUT THE PROMISE THAT GOD MADE IS MADE TO ALL INCLUDING THE NATION OF ISRAEL AND SO THEY HAVE NOT BEEN REJECTED BUT ARE SAVED ON THE SAME BASES THAN THE GENTILS ,(PAUL EXPLAIN THIS THROUGH HIS LETTERS)
SO IN VIEW OF THOSE UNDERSTANDING IN SCRIPTURES YOUR DATES ARE VOID AND OF NO VALUE ,ALSO GOD DOES NOT CARE OF WHAT MEN DOES BECAUSE HE IS ALSO CONTROLING THEIR ROAD BUT THE OUTCOME WILL BE HIS WILL ,AND HIS WILL HIS LAYED OUT IN PROPHECIES THIS IS TRUE ,BUT WE HAVE TO SEE THE PROPHECIES NOT ACCORDING TO THE FLESH BUT ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT ,
AND ALSO TO THE TRUE BELIEVER THAT KNOWS HIS GOD ,AND THE SON ,IT DOES NOT MATTER WEN THE SON RETURN ,BECAUSE HE IS WORKING FOR THE SON AND SO WILL NOT BE FOUND NAKED WHEN HE COMES ,
AN TRUE CHRISTIAN IS NEVER MOVED BY FEAR ,HE KNOWS THAT GOD HIS ON HIS SIDE THE SON HAS IT MADE KNOWN TO HIM.
Pierre
Quote SO IN VIEW OF THOSE UNDERSTANDING IN SCRIPTURES YOUR DATES ARE VOID AND OF NO VALUE ,ALSO GOD DOES NOT CARE OF WHAT MEN DOES BECAUSE HE IS ALSO CONTROLING THEIR ROAD BUT THE OUTCOME WILL BE HIS WILL ,AND HIS WILL HIS LAYED OUT IN PROPHECIES THIS IS TRUE ,BUT WE HAVE TO SEE THE PROPHECIES NOT ACCORDING TO THE FLESH BUT ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT If I give you the scriptures, you still will not see it, for your observation is way out. Israel are God's firstborn. They are the first ones to have contact directly with God. God made them a nation when he led them out of Egypt. This nation was known as a nation that was chosen by God, to serve him. They were a separate people. The nations knew that God was with them, as they witnessed many miracles and battles won by Israel with God at their side. Since then they have gone whoring after false gods, and have disobeyed the law. They even reject Christ and the new covenant to this day. God is not finished with them. This nation, that once beared God's name has been given free reign to choose who they will serve. They have chosen to serve the king of Babylon and not the Lord their God, and God let them go, not because he has forgotten about his firstborn, but because he is going to punish them for all the evil they have done against him. He will punish them for not only killing all the prophets, but for killing some of the apostles, and followers, and especially for killing his beloved son, Jesus Christ. No one gets away with this, without receiving punishment. You say that they were punished in 70AD? Well since then they still have not come back to God and God sees what they are doing, and he is not happy with it. They have shamed his name, and now he will shame their name, and when God punishes Babylon the Great, he will start with Israel, his first-born. Because they still think they are the chosen people, but God will bring down the high ones, and the proud ones, and when their punishment begins, they will have to call out to God, and he will not answer them, and they will finally get the message that God is not with them. So he will punish them first, along with the rest of the world, but they will get a double dose, and then when Christ returns, he will gather up the remnant of Israel, and raise out of the dead, the other remnants (chosen ones only) and he will rebuild his very own nation again…. Israel, and they will serve him this time, and the nations will be amazed, and see God's glory in them. It started with Israel, and it will finish with Israel. Not spiritual Israel, for they will be all saved, but physical Israel, the descendants of Abraham.
This will happen (forgiveness and correction) only after the coming, when the Kingdom is set up in Jerusalem.If God did not punish Israel for killing Christ, then that would send a bad message, that anyone can kill the Son of God, and get off scott free. They did not seek repentance through Christ so they are still guilty and their sins have escalated since then, and God has remembered them.
Just because a few Israelites have followed Christ, it does not mean the whole nation gets forgiven, because those followers shared no part in Christ's death. The rest are guilty, and if you really knew what the Israelites thought of Christ today, you would be horrified at the things they say about him, and the blasphemy which comes out of their mouths. He is mocked by them constantly to this very day.
Those dates I gave you are because you asked me “When” so I gave you background as to why I know this. I am not interested in giving dates, by the way, the dates are approximate, and not exact, but I know it's soon.
So I can ask you the same question, when do you think it will happen?, and will I get a proper answer?Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2012,13:04) J42 Quote There are clues here and there in the OT. One clue is that Israel are given 70 years to serve the king of Babylon, They have been serving him for longer than this, but for the LAST FINAL time they serve the king of Babylon(Satan) has to start somewhere? were in scriptures does it say that the 70 year of bondage for Israel corruption by Babylon as to be repeated in our time
Quote The false prophet will lead for a total of 6.49 years, so he has come out before he attacks Israel, before 2018, and the 10 horned beast (8th) will come before him (before 2015) So we don't have much time to play with. All is moving so fast now, and evil is escalating at the fastest rate. Everything I said is according to scripture, and not invented. I have quoted these scriptures before but some were too busy calling me a liar, that they didn't consider those scriptures. now still continue from the destruction of Jerusalem and the devastation of Israel ,in 70 ad, THIS ACTION BY GOD ALMITHY ,AS MADE ISRAEL FINAL REJECTION BY GOD HIMSELF FOR ALL WHAT THEY HAVE DONE ;NOW JESUS ALSO PREDICTED THE CHANGE IN THE WORSHIP ,BY WHAT HE TELL THE SAMARITAIN WOMEN Jn 4:21 Jesus declared, “Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
AND ;;Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”AS YOU CAN SEE JESUS DOES NOT SEPARATE THE JEWS FROM ANY OTHER WORSHIPER ,SO IT MEANS ALL WORSHIPERS.
THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM INCLUDING ALL THE TEMPLE AND HIS ATTACHED BUILDING SHOWN THE FINAL DIVORCE FROM GOD AND ISRAEL AS A NATION WERE GOD AS HIS NAME ON, SO ISRAEL AS NOTHING LEFT THAT MAY REBUILT THAT CONNECTION ,BUT THE PROMISE THAT GOD MADE IS MADE TO ALL INCLUDING THE NATION OF ISRAEL AND SO THEY HAVE NOT BEEN REJECTED BUT ARE SAVED ON THE SAME BASES THAN THE GENTILS ,(PAUL EXPLAIN THIS THROUGH HIS LETTERS)
SO IN VIEW OF THOSE UNDERSTANDING IN SCRIPTURES YOUR DATES ARE VOID AND OF NO VALUE ,ALSO GOD DOES NOT CARE OF WHAT MEN DOES BECAUSE HE IS ALSO CONTROLING THEIR ROAD BUT THE OUTCOME WILL BE HIS WILL ,AND HIS WILL HIS LAYED OUT IN PROPHECIES THIS IS TRUE ,BUT WE HAVE TO SEE THE PROPHECIES NOT ACCORDING TO THE FLESH BUT ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT ,
AND ALSO TO THE TRUE BELIEVER THAT KNOWS HIS GOD ,AND THE SON ,IT DOES NOT MATTER WEN THE SON RETURN ,BECAUSE HE IS WORKING FOR THE SON AND SO WILL NOT BE FOUND NAKED WHEN HE COMES ,
AN TRUE CHRISTIAN IS NEVER MOVED BY FEAR ,HE KNOWS THAT GOD HIS ON HIS SIDE THE SON HAS IT MADE KNOWN TO HIM.
Pierre,You are close, but you leave out that which would complete your picture.
God is NOT finished with Israel, you are wrong.Behold:
God rejects Israel:
Hosea 1:9 >Then said God, Call his name Loammi, for ye are not My people, and I will not be your God.As Jesus declared:
Matthew 21:43 >Therefore I say unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.So God divorces Israel:
Zechariah 11:10 >And I took My staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break My covenant which I had made with all the people.And the divorce bill was settled here:
Zechariah 11:12 >and I said unto them, if ye think good, give me my price, and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver (Matthew 27:3-9)Which is why Jesus lamented over her:
Matthew 23:37 >O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!Matthew 23:38 >behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Matthew 23:39 >For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of The Lord.
So Gods promise to Abraham still awaits:
Hosea 1:10 >Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered….But wait for it, God will hasten it in due time, it will not tarry:
Hosea 1:10 >and it shall come to pass….And Israel will be rejoined in marriage to God:
Hosea 1:10 >….that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.As God declares:
Zechariah 2:12 >And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.But UNTIL that day, Israel, even today, remains divorced. On this we do agree Pierre.
BUT:
Israel WILL once again become married to The Lord:
Isaiah 62:4 >Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken, neither shall thy land any more be called Hephzibar, and thy land Beulah, for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.And Israel will no longer stray & will REMAIN henceforth & forever married to The Lord:
Hosea 2:19 >And I will betroth thee unto me for ever, yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.And Israel will finally learn Christs covenant:
Hosea 2:20 >I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness, and thou shalt know The LordAnd those chosen REMNANTS who make up the whole house of Israel, will NOT be changed into spirit as the Christians will, but instead WILL be restored in the flesh:
Ezekiel 37:7 >So I prophesied as I was commanded, and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.Ezekiel 37:8 >And when I beheld, lo, the SINEWS and the FLESH came up upon them, and the SKIN covered them above, but there was no BREATH in them.
Ezekiel 37:11 >Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel, behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost, we are cut off for our parts.
Ezekiel 37:12 >Therefore, prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith The Lord God, Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Because these REMNANTS never knew Christ…but they one day WILL:
Ezekiel 37:13 >And ye shall know that I am The Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves.For they can not be changed into spirit as the Christians will be without first receiving this:
Romans 8:11 >But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in youGod only REDEEMS Israel for a reason:
Ezekiel 36:22 >Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith The Lord God, I do not this thing for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for Mine Holy Names sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.And they WILL one day soon receive the Holy Spirit as we did:
Ezekiel 36:26 >A new heart also will I give you, and a NEW SPIRIT will I PUT WITHIN you, and I will take away the stony heart out of your FLESH, and I will give you an heart of FLESH.Ezekiel 36:27 >And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
And exactly WHERE will the house of Israel dwell WHEN God eventually does this:
Ezekiel 36:28 >And ye shall dwell in the LAND that I GAVE to your fathers, and ye shall be My peopleOf which the Apostles questioned Jesus over:
Acts 1:6 >When they therefore were come together, they asked of Him, saying, Lord, wilt Thou at this time RESTORE AGAIN the KINGDOM TO Israel?For when this kingdom finally comes, it is only THEN that Israel WILL once again become Gods people…but unlike before, this time it will be forever:
Ezekiel 37:25 >And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt, and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children forever, and my servant David shall be their prince forever.Ezekiel 37:26 >Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them, and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forever more
Ezekiel 37:27 >My tabernacle also shall be with them, yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Just as God declared through Hosea:
Hosea 1:10 >….that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.And during the millennium, the SURVIVING HEATHEN living outside the kingdom area will come to know this:
Ezekiel 37:28 >And the HEATHEN shall know that I The Lord do sanctify Israel, WHEN my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them forever more.And the Jews will then become famous amongst ALL the heathen, and a blessing in the land:
Isaiah 61:9 >And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people, ALL that see them shall ACKNOWLEDGE them, that they are the seed which the Lord hath blessed.Remember, by this stage all Christians will have been resurrected into spirit creatures and the only Christians to be found left on earth will be these very Jews who are finally receiving Christ and His Holy Spirit.
The first resurrection Christians are already taken to Christ, these Jews become Christians only AFTER the 2nd coming to learn of Christ within the restored kingdom of Israel.So you see, God has only forsaken Israel for a time.
He WILL choose them again
He WILL betroth them again
When the Christians are taken our of the world (resurrection) Christ will bring forth a new generation of Christians
These Jews who were first, will be the last (last to be changed/accepted) to receive their inheritance only AFTER the Christians are first rewarded in the Jews place.ONLY here below shall truth finally cover the earth:
Isaiah 16:5 >And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.Habakkuk 2:14 >For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
And Satan, he who smote them, will be bound during this time:
Isaiah 10:20 >And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.And to know the TRUTH, one has to first get to know JESUS through the Holy Spirit of which those Jewish remnants did not know Him…did not because they lived before His time on earth.
But God will change this situation, and the Jews will be ashamed when they learn that Jesus was indeed their Messiah…and He will heal them & change them & He is only doing it for the sake of His promises, and for His Names sake and not because those Jews were righteous or anything,but doing it for HIS OWN NAMES SAKE in KEEPING HIS PROMISES to the Jewish fathers.Thank you.
devo
Matthew 23:39 >For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of The Lord.
do you understand those words???that scripture says that unless you will accept ME the CHRIST through my disciples and BLESS THEM FOR THE GOSPEL THEY PREACH,
no one can be saved unless it is through Christ gospel
the promise to Abraham has been kept as soon that Peter went to Cornelius the gentile ,the remnant of Israel are those that have been taken out of the world by Jesus and his disciples and be on ,the time of the apostles but are in no way part of Israel as an nation after 70AD,
Paul explain that the sons of Abraham are the sons according to the faith of Abraham NOT BY HIS FLESH,BUT BY HIS SPIRIT .if you understand the scriptures in an rightfully way you can see that Israel has been given all the possibilities to be saved but they have rejected God and his plan to save them, SO GOD REJECTED THE NATION ,BUT KEPT THE DOOR OPEN FOR THE REMNANT (THE TRUE BELIEVERS OF HIS PEOPLE)TO BE SAVED ,and this is the truth of what happen, and will happen.
also understand that the name of God is now on the true believers in him and his son ,SO IF YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE A TRUE BELIEVER AND PREACH GOD GOSPEL BUT DO NOT LIVE ACCORDING TO THAT WHAT YOU PREACH YOU ARE BLASFAMING GOD NAME ,
MAL 1:11 “For from the rising of the sun even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations,” says the LORD of hosts.Hos 1:10 “Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’
Hos 1:11 The people of Judah and the people of Israel will be reunited, and they will appoint one leader and will come up out of the land, for great will be the day of Jezreel.
Hos 2:1 “Say of your brothers, ‘My people,’ and of your sisters, ‘My loved one.’Israel Punished and Restored
Hos 2:2 “Rebuke your mother, rebuke her,
for she is not my wife,
and I am not her husband.
Let her remove the adulterous look from her face
and the unfaithfulness from between her breasts.
Hos 2:3 Otherwise I will strip her naked
and make her as bare as on the day she was born;
I will make her like a desert,
turn her into a parched land,
and slay her with thirst.
Hos 2:4 I will not show my love to her children,
because they are the children of adultery.
Hos 2:5 Their mother has been unfaithful
and has conceived them in disgrace.
She said, ‘I will go after my lovers,
who give me my food and my water,
my wool and my linen, my oil and my drink.’
Hos 2:6 Therefore I will block her path with thornbushes;
I will wall her in so that she cannot find her way.
Hos 2:7 She will chase after her lovers but not catch them;
she will look for them but not find them.
Then she will say,
‘I will go back to my husband as at first,
for then I was better off than now.’
Hos 2:8 She has not acknowledged that I was the one
who gave her the grain, the new wine and oil,
who lavished on her the silver and gold—
which they used for Baal.Hos 2:9 “Therefore I will take away my grain when it ripens,
and my new wine when it is ready.
I will take back my wool and my linen,
intended to cover her nakedness.
Hos 2:10 So now I will expose her lewdness
before the eyes of her lovers;
no one will take her out of my hands.
Hos 2:11 I will stop all her celebrations:
her yearly festivals, her New Moons,
her Sabbath days—all her appointed feasts.
Hos 2:12 I will ruin her vines and her fig trees,
which she said were her pay from her lovers;
I will make them a thicket,
and wild animals will devour them.
Hos 2:13 I will punish her for the days
she burned incense to the Baals;
she decked herself with rings and jewelry,
and went after her lovers,
but me she forgot,”
declares the LORD.Hos 2:14 “Therefore I am now going to allure her;
I will lead her into the desert
and speak tenderly to her.
Hos 2:15 There I will give her back her vineyards,
and will make the Valley of Achor a door of hope.
There she will sing as in the days of her youth,
as in the day she came up out of Egypt.Hos 2:16 “In that day,” declares the LORD,
“you will call me ‘my husband’;
you will no longer call me ‘my master.’
Hos 2:17 I will remove the names of the Baals from her lips;
no longer will their names be invoked.
Hos 2:18 In that day I will make a covenant for them
with the beasts of the field and the birds of the air
and the creatures that move along the ground.
Bow and sword and battle
I will abolish from the land,
so that all may lie down in safety.
Hos 2:19 I will betroth you to me forever;
I will betroth you in righteousness and justice,
in love and compassion.
Hos 2:20 I will betroth you in faithfulness,
and you will acknowledge the LORD.Hos 2:21 “In that day I will respond,”
declares the LORD—
“I will respond to the skies,
and they will respond to the earth;
Hos 2:22 and the earth will respond to the grain,
the new wine and oil,
and they will respond to Jezreel.
Hos 2:23 I will plant her for myself in the land;
I will show my love to the one I called ‘Not my loved one.’
I will say to those called ‘Not my people,’ ‘You are my people’;
and they will say, ‘You are my God.’ ”SINSE THE BEGINNING GOD WAS LOOKING FOR A NATION FOR HIS NAME ISRAEL FAIL TO DO JUST THAT AND THE ONLY SON OF GOD WAS KILLED BY THEM ,SO GOD REJECTED THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR WICKED HEARTS BUT WITHIN THAT NATION THEIR WAS GOOD SEEDS AND FOR THOSE GOD TOOK THEM OUT FOR HIMSELF ,AND WEN HE HAD TAKEN ALL WHAT WAS GOOD OUT HE LET IT GO TO HIS WRATH IN 70 AD, AND SO SINS CORNELIUS HIS PEOPLE ARE A MIXED OF ALL NATIONS ;ALL THOSE WHO WILL BELIEVE IN HIM AND HIS PROMISE THROUGH HIS GOSPEL.
devo
also read this ;
Mt 21:33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey.
Mt 21:34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.
Mt 21:35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third.
Mt 21:36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way.
Mt 21:37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.
Mt 21:38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’
Mt 21:39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
Mt 21:40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”
Mt 21:41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”
Mt 21:42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
“ ‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’ ?
Mt 21:43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
Mt 21:44 He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.”now pay attention to the verse 43 this his the message
Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 17 2012,02:29) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2012,13:04) J42 Quote There are clues here and there in the OT. One clue is that Israel are given 70 years to serve the king of Babylon, They have been serving him for longer than this, but for the LAST FINAL time they serve the king of Babylon(Satan) has to start somewhere? were in scriptures does it say that the 70 year of bondage for Israel corruption by Babylon as to be repeated in our time
Quote The false prophet will lead for a total of 6.49 years, so he has come out before he attacks Israel, before 2018, and the 10 horned beast (8th) will come before him (before 2015) So we don't have much time to play with. All is moving so fast now, and evil is escalating at the fastest rate. Everything I said is according to scripture, and not invented. I have quoted these scriptures before but some were too busy calling me a liar, that they didn't consider those scriptures. now still continue from the destruction of Jerusalem and the devastation of Israel ,in 70 ad, THIS ACTION BY GOD ALMITHY ,AS MADE ISRAEL FINAL REJECTION BY GOD HIMSELF FOR ALL WHAT THEY HAVE DONE ;NOW JESUS ALSO PREDICTED THE CHANGE IN THE WORSHIP ,BY WHAT HE TELL THE SAMARITAIN WOMEN Jn 4:21 Jesus declared, “Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
AND ;;Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”AS YOU CAN SEE JESUS DOES NOT SEPARATE THE JEWS FROM ANY OTHER WORSHIPER ,SO IT MEANS ALL WORSHIPERS.
THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM INCLUDING ALL THE TEMPLE AND HIS ATTACHED BUILDING SHOWN THE FINAL DIVORCE FROM GOD AND ISRAEL AS A NATION WERE GOD AS HIS NAME ON, SO ISRAEL AS NOTHING LEFT THAT MAY REBUILT THAT CONNECTION ,BUT THE PROMISE THAT GOD MADE IS MADE TO ALL INCLUDING THE NATION OF ISRAEL AND SO THEY HAVE NOT BEEN REJECTED BUT ARE SAVED ON THE SAME BASES THAN THE GENTILS ,(PAUL EXPLAIN THIS THROUGH HIS LETTERS)
SO IN VIEW OF THOSE UNDERSTANDING IN SCRIPTURES YOUR DATES ARE VOID AND OF NO VALUE ,ALSO GOD DOES NOT CARE OF WHAT MEN DOES BECAUSE HE IS ALSO CONTROLING THEIR ROAD BUT THE OUTCOME WILL BE HIS WILL ,AND HIS WILL HIS LAYED OUT IN PROPHECIES THIS IS TRUE ,BUT WE HAVE TO SEE THE PROPHECIES NOT ACCORDING TO THE FLESH BUT ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT ,
AND ALSO TO THE TRUE BELIEVER THAT KNOWS HIS GOD ,AND THE SON ,IT DOES NOT MATTER WEN THE SON RETURN ,BECAUSE HE IS WORKING FOR THE SON AND SO WILL NOT BE FOUND NAKED WHEN HE COMES ,
AN TRUE CHRISTIAN IS NEVER MOVED BY FEAR ,HE KNOWS THAT GOD HIS ON HIS SIDE THE SON HAS IT MADE KNOWN TO HIM.
Pierre,You are close, but you leave out that which would complete your picture.
God is NOT finished with Israel, you are wrong.Behold:
God rejects Israel:
Hosea 1:9 >Then said God, Call his name Loammi, for ye are not My people, and I will not be your God.As Jesus declared:
Matthew 21:43 >Therefore I say unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.So God divorces Israel:
Zechariah 11:10 >And I took My staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break My covenant which I had made with all the people.And the divorce bill was settled here:
Zechariah 11:12 >and I said unto them, if ye think good, give me my price, and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver (Matthew 27:3-9)Which is why Jesus lamented over her:
Matthew 23:37 >O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!Matthew 23:38 >behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Matthew 23:39 >For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of The Lord.
So Gods promise to Abraham still awaits:
Hosea 1:10 >Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered….But wait for it, God will hasten it in due time, it will not tarry:
Hosea 1:10 >and it shall come to pass….And Israel will be rejoined in marriage to God:
Hosea 1:10 >….that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.As God declares:
Zechariah 2:12 >And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.But UNTIL that day, Israel, even today, remains divorced. On this we do agree Pierre.
BUT:
Israel WILL once again become married to The Lord:
Isaiah 62:4 >Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken, neither shall thy land any more be called Hephzibar, and thy land Beulah, for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.And Israel will no longer stray & will REMAIN henceforth & forever married to The Lord:
Hosea 2:19 >And I will betroth thee unto me for ever, yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.And Israel will finally learn Christs covenant:
Hosea 2:20 >I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness, and thou shalt know The LordAnd those chosen REMNANTS who make up the whole house of Israel, will NOT be changed into spirit as the Christians will, but instead WILL be restored in the flesh:
Ezekiel 37:7 >So I prophesied as I was commanded, and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.Ezekiel 37:8 >And when I beheld, lo, the SINEWS and the FLESH came up upon them, and the SKIN covered them above, but there was no BREATH in them.
Ezekiel 37:11 >Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel, behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost, we are cut off for our parts.
Ezekiel 37:12 >Therefore, prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith The Lord God, Behold, O my peopl
e, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.Because these REMNANTS never knew Christ…but they one day WILL:
Ezekiel 37:13 >And ye shall know that I am The Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves.For they can not be changed into spirit as the Christians will be without first receiving this:
Romans 8:11 >But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in youGod only REDEEMS Israel for a reason:
Ezekiel 36:22 >Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith The Lord God, I do not this thing for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for Mine Holy Names sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.And they WILL one day soon receive the Holy Spirit as we did:
Ezekiel 36:26 >A new heart also will I give you, and a NEW SPIRIT will I PUT WITHIN you, and I will take away the stony heart out of your FLESH, and I will give you an heart of FLESH.Ezekiel 36:27 >And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
And exactly WHERE will the house of Israel dwell WHEN God eventually does this:
Ezekiel 36:28 >And ye shall dwell in the LAND that I GAVE to your fathers, and ye shall be My peopleOf which the Apostles questioned Jesus over:
Acts 1:6 >When they therefore were come together, they asked of Him, saying, Lord, wilt Thou at this time RESTORE AGAIN the KINGDOM TO Israel?For when this kingdom finally comes, it is only THEN that Israel WILL once again become Gods people…but unlike before, this time it will be forever:
Ezekiel 37:25 >And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt, and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children forever, and my servant David shall be their prince forever.Ezekiel 37:26 >Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them, and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forever more
Ezekiel 37:27 >My tabernacle also shall be with them, yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Just as God declared through Hosea:
Hosea 1:10 >….that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.And during the millennium, the SURVIVING HEATHEN living outside the kingdom area will come to know this:
Ezekiel 37:28 >And the HEATHEN shall know that I The Lord do sanctify Israel, WHEN my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them forever more.And the Jews will then become famous amongst ALL the heathen, and a blessing in the land:
Isaiah 61:9 >And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people, ALL that see them shall ACKNOWLEDGE them, that they are the seed which the Lord hath blessed.Remember, by this stage all Christians will have been resurrected into spirit creatures and the only Christians to be found left on earth will be these very Jews who are finally receiving Christ and His Holy Spirit.
The first resurrection Christians are already taken to Christ, these Jews become Christians only AFTER the 2nd coming to learn of Christ within the restored kingdom of Israel.So you see, God has only forsaken Israel for a time.
He WILL choose them again
He WILL betroth them again
When the Christians are taken our of the world (resurrection) Christ will bring forth a new generation of Christians
These Jews who were first, will be the last (last to be changed/accepted) to receive their inheritance only AFTER the Christians are first rewarded in the Jews place.ONLY here below shall truth finally cover the earth:
Isaiah 16:5 >And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.Habakkuk 2:14 >For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
And Satan, he who smote them, will be bound during this time:
Isaiah 10:20 >And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.And to know the TRUTH, one has to first get to know JESUS through the Holy Spirit of which those Jewish remnants did not know Him…did not because they lived before His time on earth.
But God will change this situation, and the Jews will be ashamed when they learn that Jesus was indeed their Messiah…and He will heal them & change them & He is only doing it for the sake of His promises, and for His Names sake and not because those Jews were righteous or anything,but doing it for HIS OWN NAMES SAKE in KEEPING HIS PROMISES to the Jewish fathers.Thank you.
Devo.That is exellent; cant get any clearer than that.
Thank you brother.
Some can not decern scriptures; they can only read,but will never understand.The depth of the scriptures can only be understood by the few.The ones that are on the same frequency.
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2012,05:17) devo also read this ;
Mt 21:33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey.
Mt 21:34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.
Mt 21:35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third.
Mt 21:36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way.
Mt 21:37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.
Mt 21:38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’
Mt 21:39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
Mt 21:40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”
Mt 21:41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”
Mt 21:42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
“ ‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’ ?
Mt 21:43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
Mt 21:44 He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.”now pay attention to the verse 43 this his the message
Pierre,
You are looking through tunnel vision.
We all know that Israel rejected Christ, therefore salvation went out to the gentiles. You are not showing us anything we do not already know.The point is…….
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God forsaken his people? ..God Forbid. For I am also an Israelite, of the SEED of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Romans 11:2 God hast not cast away his people which he FOREKNEW. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elijah? how he maketh intercessionto God against Israel saying,
Romans 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars, and I am left alone, and they seek mylife.Romans 11;8 According as it is written, God has given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; unto this day.
(many Christians also have this same spirit, Pierre)Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall?….God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come to the gentiles to provoke them to jealousy.
(godly jealousy, ….they will say, these gentiles got resurrected into spirit, and we are still flesh, we want to be just like them, accepted by the Lord, and the Israelites who are not accepted will live outside the kingdom, and there will be gnashing of the teeth)Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide; not still in unbelief….shall be grafted in:…for God is able to graft them in again
(This is not speaking about the ones that followed Christ, but the rest of them)Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree; how much more shall these, which be the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?
(there is a distinction here Pierre! They are the NATURAL BRANCHES, so you saying they are no different is incorrect……..natural branches….firstborn)Romans 11;25 ..For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel……until the FULLNESS of the GENTILES be COME IN.
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant to …..them …when I shall ….take away their sins.
Matthew 19:30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
You need to pay attention to these scriptures Pierre, because they reveal so much and makes the truth even stronger
J42
Quote You are looking through tunnel vision.
We all know that Israel rejected Christ, therefore salvation went out to the gentiles. You are not showing us anything we do not already know.The point is…….
YOU HAVE NOT Teach ME ANYTHING THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE ,BUT LET YOUR WORDS BE WITNESS BETWEEN US ,
YOU KEEP YOUR WAY AND I STICK WITH THE TRUTH OF SCRIPTURES ,
SO ALL ENDS HERE I WILL NOT SAY WHAT I KNOW TO ANY OF YOU THREE ,BECAUSE IT SEEMS YOU KNOW IT ALL AND BETTER THAN ANY ONE ELSE ,
AND FOR YOUR INFO YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND PAUL'S LETTER TO THE ROMANS ,BUT WHAT DO I KNOW I AM ONLY A FISHERMAN ,
Brothers and or sisters,
Let us please go back to the orignal function of this thread, and not stray too far from the topic at hand.
Please consider the words towards one another, and not only words but attitude, the heart. Present the texts, demonstrate scripturally, line upon line, and pray, and let the Holy Spirit work in their life.
Who is True Israel? It is Jesus. Hosea 11:1, Matthew 2:15
Therefore, anyone in Him is part of Him, being Israel. All, not some, but rather all of the promises are yea an amen in Him, Christ Jesus, alone.
The New Testament/Covenant is only for those in Israel, see Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-13, 10:16. There are no covenants made with any gentiles, and therefore all such gentiles, like myself, that are desirous to be saved must of necessity take hold of the salvation offered in Christ Jesus, even as all Jews desiring to be saved must also do, and we then become spiritual Israel, the Israel of Faith, even as Abraham was of Faith, etc.
Even as many branches were cut off of the tree (Annas, Caiaphas, and those which walked no more with him, etc), Romans 11, there were some which remained, even as they took hold of the True Vine, Christ Jesus, such as Peter, James, John, the apostles, Nicodemus, Joseph of Armimethea, Mary's, Paul, Stephen, etc. Many gentiles refused the offer, but we find that many also took of the offer, like Cornelius of the Italian Band and family, Luke the physician, etc. These gentiles which took of the offer of salvation were to be gathered together into one fold, one flock, one body, one bride, one people, not another, with those which of the Jews believed on Him.
The offer is given to all, whosoever, but not all partake and neglect, and some refuse openly and some give it up even after walking with him for awhile…
We will be looking shortly at the dispensationalist views, the preterist views and the futurist views. We will see that they are the modern counter-reformational ideologies heavily formulated by the Jesuits of Rome. This can be documented, as they took ideas that were few and far between and thinking to change the times and laws of God, they not only sought to alter God's commandments, but also to change and shift the prophecies of the most High God, which clearly identified the Papacy as the “little horn”. They sought to take the heat from Rome, by pushing the fulfillments too far into the past, or too far into the future.
A little bit of homework will show the origination…not only in how they all fail scripturally, but also historically, and it will be shown why they are still being promoted and who is behind it and why.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2012,14:20) J42 Quote You are looking through tunnel vision.
We all know that Israel rejected Christ, therefore salvation went out to the gentiles. You are not showing us anything we do not already know.The point is…….
YOU HAVE NOT Teach ME ANYTHING THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE ,BUT LET YOUR WORDS BE WITNESS BETWEEN US ,
YOU KEEP YOUR WAY AND I STICK WITH THE TRUTH OF SCRIPTURES ,
SO ALL ENDS HERE I WILL NOT SAY WHAT I KNOW TO ANY OF YOU THREE ,BECAUSE IT SEEMS YOU KNOW IT ALL AND BETTER THAN ANY ONE ELSE ,
AND FOR YOUR INFO YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND PAUL'S LETTER TO THE ROMANS ,BUT WHAT DO I KNOW I AM ONLY A FISHERMAN ,
Pierre,How can you jump up and down when truth is presented to you. How would you interpret those scriptures then?
Israel are the NATURAL WILD OLIVE BRANCHES. They were cut off, and will be grafted back in, when the fullness of the gentiles come in. This means at the end of the last generation, when the last passenger(gentile) gets on board, before the plagues start.
Then the door is closed during that time. Heaven shut and no man can enter. Can you not see this?We are telling you something you don't know, but you refuse it…… why?
Give you scripture, after scripture,
still refuse, why?
For all you know we could of been sent as a witness against you, I pray that may not be the case,
or even sent to open the prison doors, for your sake, and for a witness to the truth, and to get you out of this tiny little view you have. Look at the whole picture. It is very large.A real fisherman will not reject scriptures as proof shown to him. You cannot interpret those scriptures any other way. You are angry because you are cornered. That's what the truth does, it's powerful and it cuts. It's not our truth, it's God's. So be like a little child, not to us, but to the Lord. Look at what he is showing you. The holy spirit is the Spirit of Truth. If you have got your “truth” mixed up, then you will be denied the holy spirit and miss out for the sake of pride.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 17 2012,09:09) Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 17 2012,02:29) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2012,13:04) J42 Quote There are clues here and there in the OT. One clue is that Israel are given 70 years to serve the king of Babylon, They have been serving him for longer than this, but for the LAST FINAL time they serve the king of Babylon(Satan) has to start somewhere? were in scriptures does it say that the 70 year of bondage for Israel corruption by Babylon as to be repeated in our time
Quote The false prophet will lead for a total of 6.49 years, so he has come out before he attacks Israel, before 2018, and the 10 horned beast (8th) will come before him (before 2015) So we don't have much time to play with. All is moving so fast now, and evil is escalating at the fastest rate. Everything I said is according to scripture, and not invented. I have quoted these scriptures before but some were too busy calling me a liar, that they didn't consider those scriptures. now still continue from the destruction of Jerusalem and the devastation of Israel ,in 70 ad, THIS ACTION BY GOD ALMITHY ,AS MADE ISRAEL FINAL REJECTION BY GOD HIMSELF FOR ALL WHAT THEY HAVE DONE ;NOW JESUS ALSO PREDICTED THE CHANGE IN THE WORSHIP ,BY WHAT HE TELL THE SAMARITAIN WOMEN Jn 4:21 Jesus declared, “Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
AND ;;Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”AS YOU CAN SEE JESUS DOES NOT SEPARATE THE JEWS FROM ANY OTHER WORSHIPER ,SO IT MEANS ALL WORSHIPERS.
THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM INCLUDING ALL THE TEMPLE AND HIS ATTACHED BUILDING SHOWN THE FINAL DIVORCE FROM GOD AND ISRAEL AS A NATION WERE GOD AS HIS NAME ON, SO ISRAEL AS NOTHING LEFT THAT MAY REBUILT THAT CONNECTION ,BUT THE PROMISE THAT GOD MADE IS MADE TO ALL INCLUDING THE NATION OF ISRAEL AND SO THEY HAVE NOT BEEN REJECTED BUT ARE SAVED ON THE SAME BASES THAN THE GENTILS ,(PAUL EXPLAIN THIS THROUGH HIS LETTERS)
SO IN VIEW OF THOSE UNDERSTANDING IN SCRIPTURES YOUR DATES ARE VOID AND OF NO VALUE ,ALSO GOD DOES NOT CARE OF WHAT MEN DOES BECAUSE HE IS ALSO CONTROLING THEIR ROAD BUT THE OUTCOME WILL BE HIS WILL ,AND HIS WILL HIS LAYED OUT IN PROPHECIES THIS IS TRUE ,BUT WE HAVE TO SEE THE PROPHECIES NOT ACCORDING TO THE FLESH BUT ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT ,
AND ALSO TO THE TRUE BELIEVER THAT KNOWS HIS GOD ,AND THE SON ,IT DOES NOT MATTER WEN THE SON RETURN ,BECAUSE HE IS WORKING FOR THE SON AND SO WILL NOT BE FOUND NAKED WHEN HE COMES ,
AN TRUE CHRISTIAN IS NEVER MOVED BY FEAR ,HE KNOWS THAT GOD HIS ON HIS SIDE THE SON HAS IT MADE KNOWN TO HIM.
Pierre,You are close, but you leave out that which would complete your picture.
God is NOT finished with Israel, you are wrong.Behold:
God rejects Israel:
Hosea 1:9 >Then said God, Call his name Loammi, for ye are not My people, and I will not be your God.As Jesus declared:
Matthew 21:43 >Therefore I say unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.So God divorces Israel:
Zechariah 11:10 >And I took My staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break My covenant which I had made with all the people.And the divorce bill was settled here:
Zechariah 11:12 >and I said unto them, if ye think good, give me my price, and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver (Matthew 27:3-9)Which is why Jesus lamented over her:
Matthew 23:37 >O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!Matthew 23:38 >behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Matthew 23:39 >For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of The Lord.
So Gods promise to Abraham still awaits:
Hosea 1:10 >Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered….But wait for it, God will hasten it in due time, it will not tarry:
Hosea 1:10 >and it shall come to pass….And Israel will be rejoined in marriage to God:
Hosea 1:10 >….that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.As God declares:
Zechariah 2:12 >And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.But UNTIL that day, Israel, even today, remains divorced. On this we do agree Pierre.
BUT:
Israel WILL once again become married to The Lord:
Isaiah 62:4 >Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken, neither shall thy land any more be called Hephzibar, and thy land Beulah, for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.And Israel will no longer stray & will REMAIN henceforth & forever married to The Lord:
Hosea 2:19 >And I will betroth thee unto me for ever, yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.And Israel will finally learn Christs covenant:
Hosea 2:20 >I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness, and thou shalt know The LordAnd those chosen REMNANTS who make up the whole house of Israel, will NOT be changed into spirit as the Christians will, but instead WILL be restored in the flesh:
Ezekiel 37:7 >So I prophesied as I was commanded, and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.Ezekiel 37:8 >And when I beheld, lo, the SINEWS and the FLESH came up upon them, and the SKIN covered them above, but there was no BREATH in them.
Ezekiel 37:11 >Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the
whole house of Israel, behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost, we are cut off for our parts.Ezekiel 37:12 >Therefore, prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith The Lord God, Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Because these REMNANTS never knew Christ…but they one day WILL:
Ezekiel 37:13 >And ye shall know that I am The Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves.For they can not be changed into spirit as the Christians will be without first receiving this:
Romans 8:11 >But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in youGod only REDEEMS Israel for a reason:
Ezekiel 36:22 >Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith The Lord God, I do not this thing for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for Mine Holy Names sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.And they WILL one day soon receive the Holy Spirit as we did:
Ezekiel 36:26 >A new heart also will I give you, and a NEW SPIRIT will I PUT WITHIN you, and I will take away the stony heart out of your FLESH, and I will give you an heart of FLESH.Ezekiel 36:27 >And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
And exactly WHERE will the house of Israel dwell WHEN God eventually does this:
Ezekiel 36:28 >And ye shall dwell in the LAND that I GAVE to your fathers, and ye shall be My peopleOf which the Apostles questioned Jesus over:
Acts 1:6 >When they therefore were come together, they asked of Him, saying, Lord, wilt Thou at this time RESTORE AGAIN the KINGDOM TO Israel?For when this kingdom finally comes, it is only THEN that Israel WILL once again become Gods people…but unlike before, this time it will be forever:
Ezekiel 37:25 >And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt, and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children forever, and my servant David shall be their prince forever.Ezekiel 37:26 >Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them, and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forever more
Ezekiel 37:27 >My tabernacle also shall be with them, yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Just as God declared through Hosea:
Hosea 1:10 >….that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.And during the millennium, the SURVIVING HEATHEN living outside the kingdom area will come to know this:
Ezekiel 37:28 >And the HEATHEN shall know that I The Lord do sanctify Israel, WHEN my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them forever more.And the Jews will then become famous amongst ALL the heathen, and a blessing in the land:
Isaiah 61:9 >And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people, ALL that see them shall ACKNOWLEDGE them, that they are the seed which the Lord hath blessed.Remember, by this stage all Christians will have been resurrected into spirit creatures and the only Christians to be found left on earth will be these very Jews who are finally receiving Christ and His Holy Spirit.
The first resurrection Christians are already taken to Christ, these Jews become Christians only AFTER the 2nd coming to learn of Christ within the restored kingdom of Israel.So you see, God has only forsaken Israel for a time.
He WILL choose them again
He WILL betroth them again
When the Christians are taken our of the world (resurrection) Christ will bring forth a new generation of Christians
These Jews who were first, will be the last (last to be changed/accepted) to receive their inheritance only AFTER the Christians are first rewarded in the Jews place.ONLY here below shall truth finally cover the earth:
Isaiah 16:5 >And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.Habakkuk 2:14 >For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
And Satan, he who smote them, will be bound during this time:
Isaiah 10:20 >And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.And to know the TRUTH, one has to first get to know JESUS through the Holy Spirit of which those Jewish remnants did not know Him…did not because they lived before His time on earth.
But God will change this situation, and the Jews will be ashamed when they learn that Jesus was indeed their Messiah…and He will heal them & change them & He is only doing it for the sake of His promises, and for His Names sake and not because those Jews were righteous or anything,but doing it for HIS OWN NAMES SAKE in KEEPING HIS PROMISES to the Jewish fathers.Thank you.
Devo.That is exellent; cant get any clearer than that.
Thank you brother.
Some can not decern scriptures; they can only read,but will never understand.The depth of the scriptures can only be understood by the few.The ones that are on the same frequency.
wakeup.
Thanks Wakeup!!By the way, I'm really enjoying your posts…as usual.
Keep stirring the pot!!
terraricca,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Terra,What you need to do is try to prove that the scriptures I gave aren't saying what they are saying.
Break them down, link them with other scriptures to disprove what I am saying if you can…and pleasssse…stop acting like a grumpy old man…um, unless of course you're not acting
God bless.
Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 18 2012,14:49) terraricca,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Terra,What you need to do is try to prove that the scriptures I gave aren't saying what they are saying.
Break them down, link them with other scriptures to disprove what I am saying if you can…and pleasssse…stop acting like a grumpy old man…um, unless of course you're not acting
God bless.
j42,devo,wakeupbetween you guys you have a good coordination ,but it is from men ,and I have try to show you but you would not accept anything that is not of your source of understanding ,you rely on men history ,I do not ,I am telling you to go and buy your oil to those that sell it ,
I can see we have very little in common wen it comes to the truth of scriptures ,
so you stick to your truth ,and I stick with the truth of scriptures ,
so enjoy your glory while you can,
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2012,01:23) Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 18 2012,14:49) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2012,04:13)
Terra,What you need to do is try to prove that the scriptures I gave aren't saying what they are saying.
Break them down, link them with other scriptures to disprove what I am saying if you can…and pleasssse…stop acting like a grumpy old man…um, unless of course you're not acting
God bless.
j42,devo,wakeupbetween you guys you have a good coordination ,but it is from men ,and I have try to show you but you would not accept anything that is not of your source of understanding ,you rely on men history ,I do not ,I am telling you to go and buy your oil to those that sell it ,
I can see we have very little in common wen it comes to the truth of scriptures ,
so you stick to your truth ,and I stick with the truth of scriptures ,
so enjoy your glory while you can,
Terra.You seem to be satisfied living in errors.
Not willing to be freed from your prison.
The truth will set you free,but you have chosen to be captive.
Its your choice.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 19 2012,20:18) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2012,01:23) Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 18 2012,14:49) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2012,04:13)
Terra,What you need to do is try to prove that the scriptures I gave aren't saying what they are saying.
Break them down, link them with other scriptures to disprove what I am saying if you can…and pleasssse…stop acting like a grumpy old man…um, unless of course you're not acting
God bless.
j42,devo,wakeupbetween you guys you have a good coordination ,but it is from men ,and I have try to show you but you would not accept anything that is not of your source of understanding ,you rely on men history ,I do not ,I am telling you to go and buy your oil to those that sell it ,
I can see we have very little in common wen it comes to the truth of scriptures ,
so you stick to your truth ,and I stick with the truth of scriptures ,
so enjoy your glory while you can,
Terra.You seem to be satisfied living in errors.
Not willing to be freed from your prison.
The truth will set you free,but you have chosen to be captive.
Its your choice.wakeup.
waupfirst you do not understand my words to you so I will spell it for you ;something like this ;
your explanation of prophesies is at best a composition of fulfilled historical events that you like to be repeated as many times you feel like ,and call them truth ,wen in fact they are truth but in their own time ,but you are not satisfied in your hunger to be the first in glory ,this is why it is the scriptures that deny you the truth of God because your willingness not to see truth but only your own made up truth ,so it would have been better for you to be blind but sins you say that you can see you are a bigger sinner .
Terra.
You truly believe those prophesies are all fulfilled.
This is fine,but you need to prove that they are all fulfilled.
And this is what is missing.
Prove to us that it is all past prophesies,if you can.
Or anybody out there.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 20 2012,02:46) Terra. You truly believe those prophesies are all fulfilled.
This is fine,but you need to prove that they are all fulfilled.
And this is what is missing.
Prove to us that it is all past prophesies,if you can.
Or anybody out there.wakeup.
waupI will not prove anything ,this is why I quoted you Nicodemus, you will only understand those things wen you are of a spiritual nature,
and Christ and his disciples and the psalms will teach you to become of that nature
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