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Quote (2besee @ April 03 2013,20:55) T,
Whether the heavens and earth are literally destroyed or not i do not know, God does.
2Besse,Of course they will be literally destroyed.. Not at Christ's coming however, because he's got a thousand years to rule with his saints, then the battle of Gog and Magog, after the thousand years, then JUDGEMENT DAY, held for all those who did not take part in the first resurrection (they will be judged by the books), a harsh judgement with all sins recorded and not wiped out.
Not everything is in bible code. If the whole bible was so hard to understand and coded, then it could not be used as a witness against the world. Do you understand this?
Prophesies are mainly coded with symbolism, concerning world events because it is not for the world to understand, but just for the saints who are searching.
But there are many things in the prophesies also that are straight forward, and these things, easy to understand are for us to picture the kingdom that's coming. It's for us, not them.Quote (journey42 @ April 03 2013,23:17) Quote (2besee @ April 03 2013,20:55) T,
Whether the heavens and earth are literally destroyed or not i do not know, God does.
2Besse,Of course they will be literally destroyed..
Not necessarily, Look Again..[5] They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water,
[6] through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
[7] But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.The world that then existed was not destroyed entirely.
Quote Not at Christ's coming however, because he's got a thousand years to rule with his saints, then the battle of Gog and Magog, after the thousand years, then JUDGEMENT DAY, held for all those who did not take part in the first resurrection (they will be judged by the books), a harsh judgement with all sins recorded and not wiped out. Read Peter again, it does not fit in at all with the order of events as you wrote them.
Be HONEST and look. If you were honest then you would see that 2nd Peter 3 does not fit in with what you just said, Journey.
2besee,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote [5] They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water,
[6] through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
[7] But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.The world that then existed was not destroyed entirely.
I know that 2Besse. By THE SAME WORD, the earth was created,
By THE SAME WORD, the world (people) were destroyed in the flood,
By THE SAME WORD, that now exists, is STORED UP FOR FIRE, until the DAY OF JUDGEMENT. JUDGEMENT DAY (2ND RESURRECTION, NOT FIRST)Quote Read Peter again, it does not fit in at all with the order of events as you wrote them.
Look at the whole picture 2Besse, not just a verse here and there. The scriptures say Christ will reign for a thousand years with his saints, after that he will submit the kingdom back to God, but will always be there with him eternally, and will always have his glory with the Father, for he is THE WORD OF GOD.1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Quote Be HONEST and look. If you were honest then you would see that 2nd Peter 3 does not fit in with what you just said, Journey.
2Besse, you are good at accusing and saying things like this.
I've noticed that you are so stubborn and refuse to see despite all the scriptures given to you, and explanations. It still does not register? What if you are wrong? You admit that you havn't studied this or that yet, but you are so sure?
Instead you hold on to your one verse here and there, not understanding yourself that God sometimes condenses what he will do in short form, missing out on the chunks in between.
….because you have to seek the rest of the scriptures to get those missing chunks, then you will see the whole picture, and only then can you place them in their order.Quote (journey42 @ April 04 2013,01:11) The scriptures say Christ will reign for a thousand years with his saints, after that he will submit the kingdom back to God, but will always be there with him eternally, and will always have his glory with the Father, for he is THE WORD OF GOD. 1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Two thousand years so far in the heavenly Jerusalem, soon to come down onto the new earth.Quote Quote Be HONEST and look. If you were honest then you would see that 2nd Peter 3 does not fit in with what you just said, Journey.
2Besse, you are good at accusing and saying things like this.
I've noticed that you are so stubborn and refuse to see despite all the scriptures given to you, and explanations. It still does not register? What if you are wrong? You admit that you havn't studied this or that yet, but you are so sure?Quote Instead you hold on to your one verse here and there, No I do not. I have shown you the WHOLE CHAPTER from Peter – whole Chapters of the words of Jesus in the Gospels – and whole Chapters from the Old Testament, rather than “Only one little verse here and there”, as you say.
Now could you please, kindly, go through 2nd Peter 3, in ORDER of the writings, and tell me how you see it, and I will kindly tell you where I think that you may be wrong. Okay?
Quote (2besee @ April 04 2013,07:58) Quote (journey42 @ April 04 2013,01:11) The scriptures say Christ will reign for a thousand years with his saints, after that he will submit the kingdom back to God, but will always be there with him eternally, and will always have his glory with the Father, for he is THE WORD OF GOD. 1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Two thousand years so far in the heavenly Jerusalem, soon to come down onto the new earth.Quote Quote Be HONEST and look. If you were honest then you would see that 2nd Peter 3 does not fit in with what you just said, Journey.
2Besse, you are good at accusing and saying things like this.
I've noticed that you are so stubborn and refuse to see despite all the scriptures given to you, and explanations. It still does not register? What if you are wrong? You admit that you havn't studied this or that yet, but you are so sure?Quote Instead you hold on to your one verse here and there, No I do not. I have shown you the WHOLE CHAPTER from Peter – whole Chapters of the words of Jesus in the Gospels – and whole Chapters from the Old Testament, rather than “Only one little verse here and there”, as you say.
Now could you please, kindly, go through 2nd Peter 3, in ORDER of the writings, and tell me how you see it, and I will kindly tell you where I think that you may be wrong. Okay?
2b,Journey answered you well and logically.
Look, we have already explained to you where these scriptures fit in so then we are NOT ignoring you at all and you are falsely accusing…which is a sin btw 2bese.
So why don't you drop the false accusations and just say you don't agree with what we are saying instead of falsely accusing.
Btw, there are one or two verses YOU believe we are “ignoring” YET it is actually YOU who is doing the ignoring of scriptures…and not just one or two but HUNDREDS of scriptures!!
One or two v's hundreds!!
Gee I guess we really are the bad ones huh!!
Pathetic.
Pathetic is YOU.
Show me where I falsely accused,
I will drag out all of your posts, all of yours, and match them up one after another,Quote So why don't you drop the false accusations and just say you don't agree with what we are saying instead of falsely accusing. Lol.
Where did you three learn to act?Are you upset that I had a point in our little hotseat topic, or perhaps you were upset that I did not get tiled, as you wanted me gone?
You have an anger problem, Devo, be careful with it.
Quote So why don't you drop the false accusations and just say you don't agree with what we are saying instead of falsely accusing. Lol.
Where did you three learn to act?Are you upset that I had a point in our little hotseat topic, or perhaps you were upset that I did not get tiled for not answering?
You have an anger problem, Devo, be careful with it.
Actually, you know what?
God is your judge.
I will grant you your wish, and go, leave the forum.Anyone with any common sense who was reading along would know the truth.
Bye bye, Devo.
Don't mention my name again. Thank you.Quote (2besee @ April 07 2013,20:43) Actually, you know what? God is your judge.
I will grant you your wish, and go, leave the forum.Anyone with any common sense who was reading along would know the truth.
Bye bye, Devo.
Don't mention my name again. Thank you.
2B,No need to get so angry, i was just making an honest observation.
Concerning the hot seat, anybody can go and see how you couldn't answer…how you plain ignored questions and got all huffy…and I'm the angry one?
I suggest you stop projecting yourself onto me bro…i'm not you okay!!
Besides, I did the right thing, i stopped striving and walked away from a pointless debate where honesty & integrity was severely lacking on your behalf.
But of course, in your eyes, doing the self projecting thing, apparently that dishonest one was me!!Oh boy!!
“Born agains”….such a predictable lot!!Love ya bro!
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