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Quote (2besee @ Mar. 29 2013,13:35) Wakeup, are you feeling okay?
You seem really agitated.
Is it something Peter said that disagrees with your doctrines?I said that I was giving and example only of how things in Revelations are symbolical written. Did you miss the part that I underlined?
Peter was waiting for what, Wakeup? The coming NEW heavens and the new Earth – with the return of Jesus.
Did you miss that also?
2Besee.Can you stop saying that I am agitated,because I am not.
Thats in your mind.I understood what you said; I just want to show you
If you dont mind.
Dont be so defensive.I am not against you personally.I am giving you knowledge without money.
Showing you how they work,and how they deceive.Peter is not waiting,because he is already in heaven with the rest of the 23 elders,remember they were sitting before the throne and watching the 6 seals opened?
Peter and the 23 elders are only waiting for his brothers to join them.
wakeup.
Wakeup, please read the entire book of 2nd Peter and see who he was talking to and also understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation.
Quote Can you stop saying that I am agitated,because I am not.
Thats in your mind.Okay.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 29 2013,19:02) Wakeup, please read the entire book of 2nd Peter and see who he was talking to and also understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation. Quote Can you stop saying that I am agitated,because I am not.
Thats in your mind.Okay.
2Besee.I have read peter.many times,you are just being difficult.
This is what is going to happen according to the prophecies
at the coming: ***REV.16:16. AND HE GATHERED THEM TOGETHER INTO ONE PLACE CALLED IN THE HEBREW TONGUE ARMAGEDDON.***THE WAR OF ARMAGEDDON: HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT THE EARTH WILL MELT? WHERE IS YOUR COMONSENSE?
THERE WILL BE SUCH A GREAT EARTH QUAKE,AND THE ISLAND FLED AWAY,THE GREAT CITY DIVIDED IN THREE PARTS. REV,16.
REV 6:12. THE SUN BACAME BLACK AND THE MOON BECAME AS BLOOD.THE STARS OF HEAVEN FELL UNTO THE EARTH.
****AND YOU SAY THE EARTH IS GOING TO MELT AT THE COMING***? please ignore the big print.
wakeup.
Quote THE WAR OF ARMAGEDDON: HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT THE EARTH WILL MELT? WHERE IS YOUR COMONSENSE? I did not say it, Peter did, three times.
Quote THERE WILL BE SUCH A GREAT EARTH QUAKE,AND THE ISLAND FLED AWAY,THE GREAT CITY DIVIDED IN THREE PARTS. REV,16. REV 6:12. THE SUN BACAME BLACK AND THE MOON BECAME AS BLOOD.THE STARS OF HEAVEN FELL UNTO THE EARTH.
Why do you take everything in Revelations so literally?
Look, you will not see this, so I am done here.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 29 2013,22:18) Quote THE WAR OF ARMAGEDDON: HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT THE EARTH WILL MELT? WHERE IS YOUR COMONSENSE? I did not say it, Peter did, three times.
Quote THERE WILL BE SUCH A GREAT EARTH QUAKE,AND THE ISLAND FLED AWAY,THE GREAT CITY DIVIDED IN THREE PARTS. REV,16. REV 6:12. THE SUN BACAME BLACK AND THE MOON BECAME AS BLOOD.THE STARS OF HEAVEN FELL UNTO THE EARTH.
Why do you take everything in Revelations so literally?
Look, you will not see this, so I am done here.
2Besee.Peter did not say that the earth is going to melt at the coming
that is your assumption.Who decides what is literal and what is not?
wakeup.
Wakepup,
“Peter did not say that the earth is going to melt at his coming”, you say.
And it is “Only my assumption”
Is it?
2nd Peter 7;10;12 and 13,
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
Waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
You asked “Who decides what is literal and what is not?”
Revelations speaks in symbolic form. Peter does not.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,23:54) Wakepup, “Peter did not say that the earth is going to melt at his coming”, you say.
And it is “Only my assumption”
Is it?
2nd Peter 7;10;12 and 13,
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
Waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
You asked “Who decides what is literal and what is not?”
Revelations speaks in symbolic form. Peter does not.
2Besee.If you just read 2Peter,it does look as if the melting will happen the very day at the coming.
You have to learn the whole prophecy of the coming
to see the whole picture.The melting will be 1000yrs after, the 2nd resurrection;after all the dead have been judged,by the books.Satan is no more.Then the renewing of the earth itself;ready for the Father to come down,and dwell amongst all his saints.
This is heaven on earth.**THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN**.Decerning the scriptures is important.
The destruction of babylon will only take ONE DAY.
REV18:8.Christ will stay in the air,giving the nations enough time to gather them selves together,to be destroyed in ONE DAY.
He will do this also in the battle of Gog amd Magog;he garhered them into one place to destroy them.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 31 2013,03:46) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,23:54) Wakepup, “Peter did not say that the earth is going to melt at his coming”, you say.
And it is “Only my assumption”
Is it?
2nd Peter 7;10;12 and 13,
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
Waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
You asked “Who decides what is literal and what is not?”
Revelations speaks in symbolic form. Peter does not.
2Besee.If you just read 2Peter,it does look as if the melting will happen the very day at the coming.
You have to learn the whole prophecy of the coming
to see the whole picture.The melting will be 1000yrs after, the 2nd resurrection;after all the dead have been judged,by the books.Satan is no more.Then the renewing of the earth itself;ready for the Father to come down,and dwell amongst all his saints.
This is heaven on earth.**THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN**.Decerning the scriptures is important.
The destruction of babylon will only take ONE DAY.
REV18:8.Christ will stay in the air,giving the nations enough time to gather them selves together,to be destroyed in ONE DAY.
He will do this also in the battle of Gog amd Magog;he garhered them into one place to destroy them.
wakeup.
In order, Wakeup.
First you have to learn the words of Jesus, then you have to learn the words of Peter and others, THEN you understand Revelations.Where you do it the other way around you try to fit Peter second in with Revelations first. It needs to be Peter first and then fit in Revelations.
Peter is the Rock.
According to what you just wrote there are TWO comings of Christ and Two different Days of The Lord?
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,10:11) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 31 2013,03:46) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,23:54) Wakepup, “Peter did not say that the earth is going to melt at his coming”, you say.
And it is “Only my assumption”
Is it?
2nd Peter 7;10;12 and 13,
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
Waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
You asked “Who decides what is literal and what is not?”
Revelations speaks in symbolic form. Peter does not.
2Besee.If you just read 2Peter,it does look as if the melting will happen the very day at the coming.
You have to learn the whole prophecy of the coming
to see the whole picture.The melting will be 1000yrs after, the 2nd resurrection;after all the dead have been judged,by the books.Satan is no more.Then the renewing of the earth itself;ready for the Father to come down,and dwell amongst all his saints.
This is heaven on earth.**THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN**.Decerning the scriptures is important.
The destruction of babylon will only take ONE DAY.
REV18:8.Christ will stay in the air,giving the nations enough time to gather them selves together,to be destroyed in ONE DAY.
He will do this also in the battle of Gog amd Magog;he garhered them into one place to destroy them.
wakeup.
In order, Wakeup.
First you have to learn the words of Jesus, then you have to learn the words of Peter and others, THEN you understand Revelations.Where you do it the other way around you try to fit Peter second in with Revelations first. It needs to be Peter first and then fit in Revelations.
Peter is the Rock.
According to what you just wrote there are TWO comings of Christ and Two different Days of The Lord?
2Besee.Where does it say that Peter is the rock?
You got tricked again and again.wakeup.
2bee
2nd Peter 7;10;12 and 13,
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
let split up what it says ;
1) But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire
what does it mean
Peter talks about the earth that NOW exist ; and then says ;HAVE BEEN STORED UP FOR FIRE ;so now the question ;when is the storing going on and wen is the fire will be lighten ,???
2)being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
what is it that is kept for the judgement day
and what at the end is destroyed and what it mean ;FIRE; is it literal or allegorical
T, the fire is literal, just as the water was literal in the flood. And there is only one return of Jesus which is the “Day of the Lord”. It is one literal day becasue as Peter says, it will happen SUDDENLY.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 31 2013,12:47) 2Besee. Where does it say that Peter is the rock?
You got tricked again and again.wakeup.
Wakeup,Matthew 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.Peter (Cephas) is a rock or a stone that is solid, stable, and firm.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,07:11) T, the fire is literal, just as the water was literal in the flood. And there is only one return of Jesus which is the “Day of the Lord”. It is one literal day becasue as Peter says, it will happen SUDDENLY.
2beeWhy you do not answer all of my questions,
If you have understanding please answer my questions,not just one as you please and pick,
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,12:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 31 2013,12:47) 2Besee. Where does it say that Peter is the rock?
You got tricked again and again.wakeup.
Wakeup,Matthew 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.Peter (Cephas) is a rock or a stone that is solid, stable, and firm.
2Besee.Who is the corner stone?
Most have been taken by this trick in matt.16:18.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,19:28) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,07:11) T, the fire is literal, just as the water was literal in the flood. And there is only one return of Jesus which is the “Day of the Lord”. It is one literal day becasue as Peter says, it will happen SUDDENLY.
2beeWhy you do not answer all of my questions,
If you have understanding please answer my questions,not just one as you please and pick,
I apologize I missed those.Quote so now the question ;when is the storing going on and wen is the fire will be lighten “When is the storing going on?” Now.
“When will the fire be lighten?” On the Day that Jesus returns, also called the Day of the Lord which comes burning like an oven (Malachi 4:1)Quote 2)being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. what is it that is kept for the judgement day
“What is kept for the judgment?” The heavens and the earth that now exist.
Quote and what at the end is destroyed ? The heavens and the earth and ungodly men.
“being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.”Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 31 2013,21:20) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,12:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 31 2013,12:47) 2Besee. Where does it say that Peter is the rock?
You got tricked again and again.wakeup.
Wakeup,Matthew 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.Peter (Cephas) is a rock or a stone that is solid, stable, and firm.
2Besee.Who is the corner stone?
Most have been taken by this trick in matt.16:18.wakeup.
Wakeup,Jesus is the cornerstone.
Peter is a rock that is solid and stable.Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,21:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 31 2013,21:20) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,12:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 31 2013,12:47) 2Besee. Where does it say that Peter is the rock?
You got tricked again and again.wakeup.
Wakeup,Matthew 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.Peter (Cephas) is a rock or a stone that is solid, stable, and firm.
2Besee.Who is the corner stone?
Most have been taken by this trick in matt.16:18.wakeup.
Wakeup,Jesus is the cornerstone.
Peter is a rock that is solid and stable.
2Besee.Peter said it correctly,with the help of God.
He said; you are the mesiah,the son of God.
And Jesus said to Peter; you are Peter,meaning rock,
because he spoke the truth.Jesus pointing at himself said, and up on this rock(Jesus the mesiah)
will *I* build *MY* CHURCH.The church is not build upon Peter,but upon his admission,
that jesus is the mesiah,the son of God.There can only be one foundation,and that is Jesus,the mesiah. He is the corner stone,that was rejected,not Peter.
Jesus first, was preaching the kingdom,not Peter.Rev.1:18. I am he that lived and was dead,and behold,I am alive for ever more amen: and have the *KEY* of hell and of death.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,16:32) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,19:28) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,07:11) T, the fire is literal, just as the water was literal in the flood. And there is only one return of Jesus which is the “Day of the Lord”. It is one literal day becasue as Peter says, it will happen SUDDENLY.
2beeWhy you do not answer all of my questions,
If you have understanding please answer my questions,not just one as you please and pick,
I apologize I missed those.Quote so now the question ;when is the storing going on and wen is the fire will be lighten “When is the storing going on?” Now.
“When will the fire be lighten?” On the Day that Jesus returns, also called the Day of the Lord which comes burning like an oven (Malachi 4:1)Quote 2)being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. what is it that is kept for the judgement day
“What is kept for the judgment?” The heavens and the earth that now exist.
Quote and what at the end is destroyed ? The heavens and the earth and ungodly men.
“being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.”
2BEEQuote When is the storing going on?” Now.
“When will the fire be lighten?” On the Day that Jesus returns, also called the Day of the Lord which comes burning like an oven (Malachi 4:1)Mal 4:1 “Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the LORD Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them.
Mal 4:2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall.
Mal 4:3 Then you will trample down the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I do these things,” says the LORD Almighty.
Mal 4:4 “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.
Mal 4:5 “See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.
Mal 4:6 He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse.”according to these scriptures the storing and the fire are going hand in hand ,
the day of the LORD BEING THE TIME OF CHRIST COMING IN THE FLESH ,because verse 5 what talks about John the baptist,please do preach truth not opinions ,no need for opinions but a great need for truth ,
2bee
The heavens and the earth and ungodly men.
“being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.”need thinking here ;what is wrong with the planet
and what is wrong with the heaven does scriptures says that God will destroy the earth and the heaven
were would that be written in scriptures the scriptures are saying that “IT WILL DESTROY THE UNGODLY MEN ” would this not also include there works
Wakeup,
Jesus is the cornerstone, and the rock which the church will be built on, true.
Peter (Cephas) is also a rock, with Christ.Read the rest of that verse.
“I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”Do you not agree with 2nd Peter 3?
If you do agree, then how does it fit into your teachings?
Please explain how it does, because it does not seem to.
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