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Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Will this be a real army, and against whom will they fight?
I for one have a lot of questions regarding this army;
How would one support an army this size?
Would an army of this size, and all its equipment, fit in the valley of Jezriel?
Would an army of this size even be necessary?Georg
Quote (Cindy @ June 15 2009,00:48) Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. Will this be a real army, and against whom will they fight?
Hi Georg:These are judgments of God mingled with mercy coming against those who do not have the seal of God in the foreheads.
But whether not this is a literal army, I do not know. There is a lot of symbolism involved.
Check this verse out for symbolism:
Quote Rev 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses [were] as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
I agree with the symbolism, the 200 000 000 men army is usually connected with the battle of Armageddon. Ministers count on it to happen, that's why I raised the questions.
Georg
Georg: Our battle is for understanding of the Kingdom of God, not a physical war against flesh and blood. The firery darts of deception come against the word of Truth. When the word is sown or accepted in a human heart, immediately, satan,lies,deception,un-truth comes in the form of a misguided human to destroy, change or uproot the seed that was sown. Some hold fast, some let go.The God of love and Jesus, the prince of peace do not condone a physical war one against another. Peace to all, TK
George: Its not a physical war! Its a spiritual war, in the mind, searching for the Truth from God. The former church was lost in sin. Jesus came to show us the Kingdom within. The churches today are mostly in sin/error. If you don't believe Jesus took away our sin, then you believe sin remains and if you believe in sin you have a sin consciousness. The Truth came in Jesus, sin or error of thinking is obliterated.The light came. Darkness left. The wars that come against us are doctrinal, spiritual, word wars for the Truth of God. We don't fight flesh and blood or other humans. We fight for God's Truth. Peace and love, TK
If it's not a physical army, then why specify the number? Or the fact that they are horsemen, not foot soldiers? You can always find symbolism in it if you try hard enough, but it seems to me that this army is real.
Quote (Country boy @ June 27 2009,02:56) If it's not a physical army, then why specify the number? Or the fact that they are horsemen, not foot soldiers? You can always find symbolism in it if you try hard enough, but it seems to me that this army is real.
CB,
Even if the army be literal it doesn't matter. It was all fulfilled by AD70. Revelation 1 says that these things were to “SHORTLY come to pass.” It is done!thinker
thinker
According to you, everything was fulfilled in AD 70. You should have read the rest of the bible.
Georg
Quote (Cindy @ June 27 2009,13:18) thinker According to you, everything was fulfilled in AD 70. You should have read the rest of the bible.
Georg
Georg,
Yes! All things were fulfilled by the end of Daniel's 70th week. We are in the eternal new covenant age now.thinker
thinker
Do you even understand what the 70 weeks prophesied?
The 70 weeks were over three and a half years after Christs death; how do you make the connection with the 70 weeks, and 70 AD?Georg
Quote (thethinker @ June 27 2009,11:23) Quote (Country boy @ June 27 2009,02:56) If it's not a physical army, then why specify the number? Or the fact that they are horsemen, not foot soldiers? You can always find symbolism in it if you try hard enough, but it seems to me that this army is real.
CB,
Even if the army be literal it doesn't matter. It was all fulfilled by AD70. Revelation 1 says that these things were to “SHORTLY come to pass.” It is done!thinker
Hey thinker: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT/!!Hi Country Boy: There isn't an army, even in the middle east that wouldn't laugh at horsemen attacking them! Even 200,000,000 of them. And tell me will they ride down from the sky? Then will they be physical or spiritual bodies? Reserrection horses? Will they have swords? To have access into the earth realm one must be born of a woman. All others are thieves and robbers according to Jesus. Jesus taught in parables so you might want to bone up on symbolism to understand the master. God is spirit, God's words are spirit. You must be born of spirit to see the Kingdom. God bless you, TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 27 2009,21:55) Quote (thethinker @ June 27 2009,11:23) Quote (Country boy @ June 27 2009,02:56) If it's not a physical army, then why specify the number? Or the fact that they are horsemen, not foot soldiers? You can always find symbolism in it if you try hard enough, but it seems to me that this army is real.
CB,
Even if the army be literal it doesn't matter. It was all fulfilled by AD70. Revelation 1 says that these things were to “SHORTLY come to pass.” It is done!thinker
Hey thinker: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT/!!
Hey, TKYou answer the questions I ask thethinker.
Georg
Quote (Cindy @ June 27 2009,14:06) thinker Do you even understand what the 70 weeks prophesied?
The 70 weeks were over three and a half years after Christs death; how do you make the connection with the 70 weeks, and 70 AD?Georg
Georg,
I have answered this already. You ave misconceptions of Daniel's prophecy. Jesus told His disciples that they would see the abomination of desolation that was spoken of by Daniel the prophet.Quote Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place…then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains (Matt. 24:15) Jesus told His disciples that they would see it. Therefore, Daniel's 70th week was fulfilled before they all died. According to Luke's account the abomination that makes desolate were armies (Lk. 21:20-24). History tells us that they were the armies led by Titus. This was fulfilled in AD70.
thinker
It's ALL been fulfilled Georg.
Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 27 2009,22:13) Hi Country Boy: There isn't an army, even in the middle east that wouldn't laugh at horsemen attacking them! Even 200,000,000 of them. And tell me will they ride down from the sky? Then will they be physical or spiritual bodies? Reserrection horses? Will they have swords? To have access into the earth realm one must be born of a woman. All others are thieves and robbers according to Jesus. Jesus taught in parables so you might want to bone up on symbolism to understand the master. God is spirit, God's words are spirit. You must be born of spirit to see the Kingdom. God bless you, TK
But my question remains, why specify the exact number or the fact that they are mounted troops, if they are not physical? Not only that, but the text goes on to describe them killing a third of mankind. Am I to believe that this was simply a spiritual death? I'm fairly sure that more than a third of mankind is already spiritually dead.Quote (thethinker @ June 27 2009,14:00) Quote (Cindy @ June 27 2009,13:18) thinker According to you, everything was fulfilled in AD 70. You should have read the rest of the bible.
Georg
Georg,
Yes! All things were fulfilled by the end of Daniel's 70th week. We are in the eternal new covenant age now.thinker
Can you explain the 70 weeks of Daniel concisely? If it's too long, I can start another thread.Also, do you believe in a literal 200,000,000-man army? And if so, I would assume you believe that it already happened. Is there a record of this happening? Honest question.
Country boy
There is a thread about the 70 weeks on the bottom of “Biblical Prophecy”.
No, I do not believe this army is literal that strong. I believe it is a reference to the Huns, who in the fifth Century almost overran all of Europe.
Georg
Quote (Country boy @ June 28 2009,14:27) Quote (thethinker @ June 27 2009,14:00) Quote (Cindy @ June 27 2009,13:18) thinker According to you, everything was fulfilled in AD 70. You should have read the rest of the bible.
Georg
Georg,
Yes! All things were fulfilled by the end of Daniel's 70th week. We are in the eternal new covenant age now.thinker
Can you explain the 70 weeks of Daniel concisely? If it's too long, I can start another thread.Also, do you believe in a literal 200,000,000-man army? And if so, I would assume you believe that it already happened. Is there a record of this happening? Honest question.
country boy: I started studying the Bible in '81. The first tapes and study I did was about end times wars and devistation from Hal Lindsay, Jack VanEmpe and many more. I will share with you the scriptures that changed by beliefs.
The law and the prophets were UNTIL John, since then the Gospel of the Kingdom is preached…Luke 16:16
All things written in the law, prophets and psalms were fulfilled in Jesus…Luke 24:44
The prophets and the law prophesied UNTIL John…Matt 11:13
There are many more. Jesus was the fulfillment of the prophets. Their prophesies ended at John the Baptist. Then the start of the New Covenant, through Jesus, the Kingdom of God within each person.Luke 17:21 God bless you, TK
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